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News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:33 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:canon, the final frontier....

quick, lets get sto a job at hasbro for all of 5 minutes so this can be printed on something and made official.

You like it that much????

its close enough to how i always thought things worked in the comics. i always just figured vector sigma was either the subconcious or the remnants of primus. And its alot easier of an explanation to explain than alot of other possibilities.

some one asked me who made the transformers one day. after 20 minutes i found myself ready to draw charts and graphs, and i hadn't even gotten into japaneese continuity yet

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:35 pm

Name_Violation wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:canon, the final frontier....

quick, lets get sto a job at hasbro for all of 5 minutes so this can be printed on something and made official.

You like it that much????

its close enough to how i always thought things worked in the comics. i always just figured vector sigma was either the subconcious or the remnants of primus. And its alot easier of an explanation to explain than alot of other possibilities.

some one asked me who made the transformers one day. after 20 minutes i found myself ready to draw charts and graphs, and i hadn't even gotten into japaneese continuity yet

Then I'll take it as a complement.

I tried to make my theory universal.So that it could fit most of the continuities with out much alterations to the core of the theory.

by **Necessary Evil** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:36 pm

Name_Violation wrote:super computer at the core of cybertron, sometimes needed to create transformers.

Vector Sigma is an ancient and incredibly powerful multiversal super computer which exists across many (conceivably all, though this is speculative) universes. Collectively these multiversal nodes are networked together as the "Vector Sigma Gestalt".[1]

Vector Sigma is generally shaped like a faceted orb. It frequently acts out the will of Primus, and among its other abilities is the infusing of inanimate Transformer bodies with new life. Activating it requires a special circuit key, and possession of the key brings great power.

Tech Spec

Before Cybertron existed, there was Vector Sigma; a super computer of incalculable power. So great was this entity that it could tap into the source of Transformers life itself, the Allspark. Over the eons, Vector Sigma was used by many beings to imbue lifeless Transformers bodies with the Spark of life without judgement. If it was asked to produce noble protectors, it did so. It is was asked to create merciless destroyers, it did that as well. Activating Vector Sigma required a special key, capable of turning organic matter into metal. In lieu of such a key, any Transformer sharing Vector Sigma's computational matrix could activate it at the cost of its own life.

Vector Sigma's influence reached across the multi-verse, where several similar computers would take on its name but serve different functions. In one, Vector Sigma was a computer that all Autobot and Maximal leaders were bonded to. In another it was surrounded by a program known as The Oracle in an age where Maximals and Predacons had taken the place of their ancestors as the primary residents of Cybertron. No matter its location, the very name Vector Sigma has held even some of the greatest Transformers in awe, including Optimus Prime.

I thought Vector Sigma was the only thing that could create Transformers, since it gave them the most important thing: a spark. Without a spark, there is no life, right?

If Megatron, as he boasted so in the 'toon, actually did create the Constructicons, how do we assume exactly? Was it the work of Vector Sigma, or did Megs build them from scratch?

Sorry, this stuff just confuses me.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:44 pm

Plaything wrote:I thought Vector Sigma was the only thing that could create Transformers, since it gave them the most important thing: a spark. Without a spark, there is no life, right?

If Megatron, as he boasted so in the 'toon, actually did create the Constructicons, how do we assume exactly? Was it the work of Vector Sigma, or did Megs build them from scratch?

Sorry, this stuff just confuses me.

Vector sigma "is" the "only" thing. except wheeljack when he made the dinobots. or when super smart grimlock made the technobots..

the honest answer is they didn't even have the concept of sparks back then. the occasonal mention of a "lazercore" was it. the whole sparks thing is a retcon, so yeah. don't take it too serious

by **Necessary Evil** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:36 pm

Name_Violation wrote:
Plaything wrote:I thought Vector Sigma was the only thing that could create Transformers, since it gave them the most important thing: a spark. Without a spark, there is no life, right?

If Megatron, as he boasted so in the 'toon, actually did create the Constructicons, how do we assume exactly? Was it the work of Vector Sigma, or did Megs build them from scratch?

Sorry, this stuff just confuses me.

Vector sigma "is" the "only" thing. except wheeljack when he made the dinobots. or when super smart grimlock made the technobots..

the honest answer is they didn't even have the concept of sparks back then. the occasonal mention of a "lazercore" was it. the whole sparks thing is a retcon, so yeah. don't take it too serious

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:01 am

Plaything wrote:I thought Vector Sigma was the only thing that could create Transformers, since it gave them the most important thing: a spark. Without a spark, there is no life, right?

Vector Sigma is not the only thing that can create transformers.Or have you forgotton the Dinibots???

You have to keep in what function Vector Sigma serves.It "PROGRAMS" a TF with life.

Which would mean that its possible for others to duplicate that programing if they are smart enough.

Wheeljack and Ratchet obviously can program life....even if that life has limited intelligence.

When Grimlock was given super intelligence he created the Technobots.

"Sparks" didnt really come around till Beast wars and truth be told its a hard fit into the G1 world.

But I do have some ideas.

If Megatron, as he boasted so in the 'toon, actually did create the Constructicons, how do we assume exactly? Was it the work of Vector Sigma, or did Megs build them from scratch?

Actually Megatron never said he "CREATED" the Constructcons.

Thats a misconception most fans have due to 2 reasons.

1]Megatron used a word that is "SOMETIMES" synonymous with create.

@] they were new characters from the fans point of view so we believed he ment create.

Megatron said he "BUILT" the Constructicons, but "to build" does not always mean "to create".

The shows pre-production bible states that the Constructicons were to be given no origin story when introduced so that they could add to it later.

which they did by showing the Constructicons on Cybertron over 4 million years in the past.

This, combined with the fact that none of the Aurtobots seemed surprised by the appearance of the Constructicons or their combined form of Devestator in their first cartoon appearance suggest that, while they were new characters to us watching the episode, they werent new characters to each other.

Which would mean Megatron ment he "built" them new earth forms.

Sorry, this stuff just confuses me.

No prob.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:25 am

yeah, i always thought it was ultra cool when they showed the constructicons in the flashback of Five Faces -- "creating" megatron

by **Necessary Evil** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:02 am

sto wrote:Vector Sigma is not the only thing that can create transformers.Or have you forgotton the Dinibots???

Oh, no, no, no. I never forgot about the Dinobots, or even the Technobots, for that matter. At the time, it was only Megs and the Constructicons that came to me.

sto wrote:Wheeljack and Ratchet obviously can program life....even if that life has limited intelligence.

Now that you mention it, was there a valid reason as to why Starscream was, not only able to replicate the idea, but also succeed it by building/creating (take your pick) more intelligent robots, who could also demonstrate the ability to combine? Is it a "G1" thing? Or am I missing something?

sto wrote:"Sparks" didnt really come around till Beast wars and truth be told its a hard fit into the G1 world.

Oh, I agree. It seems to be pretty troublesome.

sto wrote:Actually Megatron never said he "CREATED" the Constructcons.

That's my bad. I haven't watched G1 in a long while, so I just assumed Megatron said something along those lines. But I am aware of there...unusual origins.

Anyhoo, cheers, Sto!

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:17 am

Plaything wrote:
sto wrote:Wheeljack and Ratchet obviously can program life....even if that life has limited intelligence.

Now that you mention it, was there a valid reason as to why Starscream was, not only able to replicate the idea, but also succeed it by building/creating (take your pick) more intelligent robots, who could also demonstrate the ability to combine? Is it a "G1" thing? Or am I missing something?

Actuall scream went back to cybertron and grabbed some personality components and threw them into abandoned WWII vehicles. thats about it.

Scream was a scientist before the war, so i guess he had some aptitude?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:12 pm

vectorA3 wrote:yeah, i always thought it was ultra cool when they showed the constructicons in the flashback of Five Faces -- "creating" megatron

If that as the "SAME" team of construticons.

There were 8 green guys in that scene.

Plaything wrote:Oh, no, no, no. I never forgot about the Dinobots, or even the Technobots, for that matter. At the time, it was only Megs and the Constructicons that came to me.

Kool

Now that you mention it, was there a valid reason as to why Starscream was, not only able to replicate the idea, but also succeed it by building/creating (take your pick) more intelligent robots, who could also demonstrate the ability to combine? Is it a "G1" thing? Or am I missing something?

Starscream didnt really create the Combaticons.

He stole personalty chips from a prison on Cybertron and gave them new bodies he made out of WW2 wrecks..

That's my bad. I haven't watched G1 in a long while, so I just assumed Megatron said something along those lines. But I am aware of there...unusual origins.

Anyhoo, cheers, Sto!

Its not just you.The episode in question was misleading.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:32 am

ya, but......um.......2 of those green guys died....

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:55 pm

vectorA3 wrote:ya, but......um.......2 of those green guys died....

You could choose to believe that.......but theres also the fact that none of the "green guys" in that scene really looked like the construticons.

The bodies were all wrong.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:02 am

well, the hinting at it with the colors was awesome. It was a cool homage at the very least. Ancient construction bots

by **Flare** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:16 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:canon, the final frontier....

quick, lets get sto a job at hasbro for all of 5 minutes so this can be printed on something and made official.

You like it that much????

Your intellect inspires all of us even Alpha Trion! :APPLAUSE:

Hehe, how are you doing Sto?! ;;)

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:25 pm

Flare wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:canon, the final frontier....

quick, lets get sto a job at hasbro for all of 5 minutes so this can be printed on something and made official.

You like it that much????

Your intellect inspires all of us even Alpha Trion! Hehe, how are you doing Sto?!

Thank you.

I could be doing better.I'm haveing surgery in just under 8 hours.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:42 pm

Get well soon Sto. I will fight the menace of ignorance in your honor while you recover.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:48 pm

Name_Violation wrote:Get well soon Sto. I will fight the menace of ignorance in your honor while you recover.

Fight well and you may join Kaless in the after life.

But seriously.....I might be back home tomorrow or the next day.It depends on how easy things go.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:23 am

good luck man. Have a safe operation

by **Flare** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:09 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Flare wrote:Your intellect inspires all of us even Alpha Trion! Hehe, how are you doing Sto?!

Thank you.

I could be doing better.I'm haveing surgery in just under 8 hours.

I'm sure all will go well, stay positive. ^__^ And talk to later!

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:53 am

vectorA3 wrote:good luck man. Have a safe operation

Flare wrote:I'm sure all will go well, stay positive. ^__^ And talk to later!

Thanks guys.

So far it looks like all went well.I slept most of the day thou

by **Flare** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:12 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Thanks guys.

So far it looks like all went well.I slept most of the day thou

*huggles* I'm glad. Please take care of yourself and I hope all continues to go well, if not turn out fantastic for you. ^__^

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:19 pm

Flare wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Thanks guys.

So far it looks like all went well.I slept most of the day thou

*huggles* I'm glad. Please take care of yourself and I hope all continues to go well, if not turn out fantastic for you. ^__^