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News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:13 am

ANOTHER G1 Prime reissue? And the gun STILL has the handle in the wrong place?

by **returnofplex** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:32 am

Someone looked up the SKU and the Wal Mart system had this at $49.99. I bought an extremely high quality(as good or better than the Hasbro reissues over the years), complete KO, in a G1 box for less than $40.00 SHIPPED from China to my door. I could see them praying on our nostalgia by doing it complete with trailer at $59.99, but this is ridiculous.

News Credits: 11 · by **Lore Keeper** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:56 am

returnofplex wrote:Someone looked up the SKU and the Wal Mart system had this at $49.99. I bought an extremely high quality(as good or better than the Hasbro reissues over the years), complete KO, in a G1 box for less than $40.00 SHIPPED from China to my door. I could see them praying on our nostalgia by doing it complete with trailer at $59.99, but this is ridiculous.

I think this is exactly what is going on here. HasTak are under the belief people will buy anything that plays into nostalgia for G1 Optimus (toy and cartoon). That's why we have a whole debate over the outlandish price of MP-44. The worst part of all of this is, they are right. So... many... people are going to cave and buy these regardless of the price. I'm sorry, but if I can buy Siege Optimus, who is a better toy in practically every way for $30, there is just no chance in hell this brick of a robot is worth $50. I know this is coming off as especially salty, but I've grown very tired of a retail toy company selling toys for far more than they're worth. $150 Primus anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Pepsimus · by **Black Bumblebee** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:01 pm

If this guy sells for any more than $20 then it just isn't worth it. Let's face it, G1 Prime is one of the easiest figures to find on ebay as everyone has had one. The only thing that puts his price up is all the small little bits like a hose for roller or making sure that the trailer door isn't broken.

This, though? It has no extras. No nothing. Nothing special. As pointed out, he doesn't have the music label head. He doesn't have a matrix. He doesn't have blue tinted windows. He doesn't have a special back piece It's just a simple, basic, G1 Prime cab. If that's all you want... G1 cabs are available for uber cheap on ebay. Or at your local salvation army.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:04 pm

Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.

LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery

News Credits: 11 · by **Lore Keeper** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:09 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.

LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery

I expect some level of mark ups on collector oriented figures, but there is a limit to what is reasonable. $50 for a little truck cab robot is not reasonable. One could argue it has the prestige of being the "original" one, but that's not really the case when this release comes with half of the toy.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:22 pm

I'm looking forward to this release, despite its hefty price tag. My G1 Optimus Prime in my collection right now is the 25th Anniversary one from the Universe 2008 line. I've already got the trailer and all of the accessories that come with it. The problem is, that was a sub-par Optimus Prime figure in the set, what with the off colors of red and blue and the short smoke stacks. Now I've got a chance to replace that with a more genuine reissue of the original toy, with the right red and blue colors, the original long smokestacks, and the retooled gun that fits right in his hands too! I might wait and see if he'll eventually go on deep discount like Hot Rod did, but I'll certainly be picking this release up.

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:32 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.

LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery

It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP. Takara is doing the same thing with their Unicron of Light over in Japan and yet no one is batting an eye for some reason.

News Credits: 131 · by **no-one** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:34 pm

william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.

LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery

It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP. Takara is doing the same thing with their Unicron of Light over in Japan and yet no one is batting an eye for some reason.

Because Takara does no wrong and is premium >:oP

by **hausjam** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:26 pm

Reissue hot rod was or is selling for half price. This one may well also. If it does, I may pick one up. Even though I already have 3 g1 primes.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:46 pm

carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, it's the norm for reissues to be collectorflated at their starting price.

LoreKeeper, that $150 Primus wasn't just Hasbro. That was also TRU f***ery

It was not, it was 100% Hasbro. The cost per unit on TRU exclusives was really high, so TRU had to sell it at MSRP. Takara is doing the same thing with their Unicron of Light over in Japan and yet no one is batting an eye for some reason.
Because Takara does no wrong and is premium

This is true and it's a myth that needs to be busted for good...i also completely forgot about Unicron of Light

News Credits: 14 · by **DecepticonFinishline** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:14 pm

I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:30 pm

DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:40 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.

The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:20 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.

The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.

Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:35 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.

The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.

Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.

Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.

News Credits: 11 · by **Lore Keeper** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:46 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.

The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.

Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.

Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.

The Commemorative Series Hot Rod had metal feet. However, the newest reissue is the 2004 Takara reissue minus the Targetmaster. This version uses painted plastic feet.

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:50 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.

The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.

Yeah, forgot to mention that when a thing get reissued, only the latest edition get reissued. Hotrod with metal feet was only for the first wave or so before that got changed to plastic. So of course we will never see a Hotrod with metal feet ever again. However, Optimus never lost his metal so he will still be full metal reissued.

Hot Rod got the metal feet, and Ultra Magnus the metal cab when they got reissued.

UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.

But which Hotrod reissue got the metal feet?
Looking...
Eh. Twice. The first one, Takara's C-78, and Hasbro's white-box Commemorative. Suck that Walmart's only get the plastic feet.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:02 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.

Oops, my bad. The rubber tires were replaced with plastic ones, and the windows of the cab were removed. Both were reinstated for the reissues.

-Kanrabat- wrote:But which Hotrod reissue got the metal feet?
Looking...
Eh. Twice. The first one, Takara's C-78, and Hasbro's white-box Commemorative. Suck that Walmart's only get the plastic feet.

The 2000 Takara reissue
Hasbro Commemorative Rodimus Major
TFC-13 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:14 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.

Oops, my bad. The rubber tires were replaced with plastic ones, and the windows of the cab were removed. Both were reinstated for the reissues.

Plastic tires. Windows removed. What kind of blasphemous trashy reissue are we talking about here? :shock:

Not even Chinese knock-off "reissues" would dare do such a thing!

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:18 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:UM have the "Optimus Prime" cab. Which was NEVER full plastics to begin with. Not counting the ever changing smokestacks.

Oops, my bad. The rubber tires were replaced with plastic ones, and the windows of the cab were removed. Both were reinstated for the reissues.

Plastic tires. Windows removed. What kind of blasphemous trashy reissue are we talking about here?
Not even Chinese knock-off "reissues" would dare do such a thing!

Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.

by **Ultra Markus** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:19 pm

i wish they would bring back the TFC reissues

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:50 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.

WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:51 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.

WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!

Cost saving.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:19 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Read again. The reissues had the windows and the rubber tires, whereas the last releases in G1 had no windows and plastic tires.

WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?!

Cost saving.

This. And like, aside from the chrome on those plastic tires those last runs of vintage Ultra Magnus didn't even have any PAINT.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:I'm sure this has been answered before, but I missed out on it. Do these reissues have the same diecast as the original releases?

If the original have diecast parts, the reissue should have the same die-cast parts.

The same goes for most releases that originally had die cast, but switched to plastic later, like Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod. So far, the Scramble City combiners like Bruticus are exempt.

Mind you, Bruticus and Piranacon are the only such combiners who've been reissued.