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Jar Axel wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:

Tammuz wrote:or where the word actually comes from Hel, the norse hell.

i have no beleifs concerning god what so ever except the beleif we don't know jack regarding it, at all, and that it's quite possibly beyond our comprehension.

I'll condemn hard atheism just as much as theism, except thair are no hard atheists to discuss it with here.

and my motto makes no reference what so ever to christianity.

and is pride a sin?

Except for the fact that you claim to be God in your motto. I would mark that down as a form of dangerous pride.

And if we don't know anything about God (which is true,) then why are you so concerned about it? If you're not going to subscribe to a belief set, at least let others practice theirs in peace. Why all the pomp and circumstance of you're fundamentally undecided, or a nihilist?

Perhaps it is because we are not givin the peace that is constantly asked of us. Or perhaps it is because I can barely walk down the street without having to listen to one pompas buffon or another preach about how I'm going to "His" version of "Hell" unless I subscribe to "His" version of "Christanity".

Yeah, and you should punch those people in the mouth. But you should bother to reach your own conclusions instead of listening to a few ignorant people and writing off an entire religion as a result.

Do some reading. You might actually like it.

They did not die. Not the Greeks, not the Romans, not the Asgardians, not the Druids, not the Wiccans. As much as mainstream Christanity tried to kill them off and as much as mainstream Christanity would like to belive they succeded these and others still exist they still survive. And Guess what.... They flourish anew.

Operation Ravage wrote:Do some reading. You might actually like it.

Ignorence is Truely Bliss is it not Tammuz?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. A few thousand as opposed to 1.3 billion Christians and 1 billion Muslims.

Yeah, those Nords. Quite the religious movement, there.

Jar Axel wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:Do some reading. You might actually like it.

Ignorence is Truely Bliss is it not Tammuz?

You misspelled "ignorance" and "truly," used a comma splice and have improper capitalization.

You're not doing well in painting me as stupid.

Operation Ravage wrote:Yeah, keep telling yourself that. A few thousand as opposed to 1.3 billion Christians and 1 billion Muslims.

Yeah, those Nords. Quite the religious movement, there.

my my my such a large percentage of the population you have backing you there Ravage. (sarcasm)

To bad none of them actualy agree on anything; least of all the very thing they claim to belive in.

Operation Ravage wrote:

Tammuz wrote:or where the word actually comes from Hel, the norse hell.

i have no beleifs concerning god what so ever except the beleif we don't know jack regarding it, at all, and that it's quite possibly beyond our comprehension.

I'll condemn hard atheism just as much as theism, except thair are no hard atheists to discuss it with here.

and my motto makes no reference what so ever to christianity.

and is pride a sin?

Except for the fact that you claim to be God in your motto. I would mark that down as a form of dangerous pride.

And if we don't know anything about God (which is true,) then why are you so concerned about it? If you're not going to subscribe to a belief set, at least let others practice theirs in peace. Why all the pomp and circumstance of you're fundamentally undecided, or a nihilist?

becuase i enjoy discussing/debating the topic of god. how does this discussion interfere with your practicing? surely the only way that my arguments could interfer would be if they actually seemed to make sense to you?

and wouldn't you agree that it if a supreme being does exist it probably should be a concern of mine?

as i'm not a christian i don't beleive pride is a sin. however psalm 10 verse 4 seems to denouce pride, surely you can see the irony of a christian being proud of being a christian no? Irony makes me laugh.

and it's also Ironic that only Theist take exception to the motto, no atheist takes it's seiriously.

Jar Axel wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:Yeah, keep telling yourself that. A few thousand as opposed to 1.3 billion Christians and 1 billion Muslims.

Yeah, those Nords. Quite the religious movement, there.

my my my such a large percentage of the population you have backing you there Ravage. (sarcasm)

To bad none of them actualy agree on anything; least of all the very thing they claim to belive in.

Proof? Give me numbers. I'm more inclined to believe the millions of Catholics instead of the ten thousand or so Grecco-Roman pagans.

Why? Historical and popular legitimacy.

Quite making accusations and give me some research. The pagan movement is a fringe movement. Quit trying to convince yourself otherwise.

Tammuz wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:

Tammuz wrote:or where the word actually comes from Hel, the norse hell.

i have no beleifs concerning god what so ever except the beleif we don't know jack regarding it, at all, and that it's quite possibly beyond our comprehension.

I'll condemn hard atheism just as much as theism, except thair are no hard atheists to discuss it with here.

and my motto makes no reference what so ever to christianity.

and is pride a sin?

Except for the fact that you claim to be God in your motto. I would mark that down as a form of dangerous pride.

And if we don't know anything about God (which is true,) then why are you so concerned about it? If you're not going to subscribe to a belief set, at least let others practice theirs in peace. Why all the pomp and circumstance of you're fundamentally undecided, or a nihilist?

becuase i enjoy discussing/debating the topic of god. how does this discussion interfere with your practicing? surely the only way that my arguments could interfer would be if they actually seemed to make sense to you?

and wouldn't you agree that it if a supreme being does exist it probably should be a concern of mine?

as i'm not a christian i don't beleive pride is a sin. however psalm 10 verse 4 seems to denouce pride, surely you can see the irony of a christian being proud of being a christian no? Irony makes me laugh.

and it's also Ironic that only Theist take exception to the motto, no atheist takes it's seiriously.

You did not answer my question satisfactorily. The fact that you have researched Christianity enough to have become familiar with its trappings and verses shows that you take more than a passive disinterest in it.

So what's your real beef?

Operation Ravage wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:Yeah, keep telling yourself that. A few thousand as opposed to 1.3 billion Christians and 1 billion Muslims.

Yeah, those Nords. Quite the religious movement, there.

my my my such a large percentage of the population you have backing you there Ravage. (sarcasm)

To bad none of them actualy agree on anything; least of all the very thing they claim to belive in.

Proof? Give me numbers. I'm more inclined to believe the millions of Catholics instead of the ten thousand or so Grecco-Roman pagans.

Why? Historical and popular legitimacy.

Quite making accusations and give me some research. The pagan movement is a fringe movement. Quit trying to convince yourself otherwise.

I would rather say that untill recently it was an underground one as Christanity has been trying it's level headed best at eradication of the competition since it itself became a legitamit recognised religion by the Roman government.

You see calling Paganism a "fringe movement" is a twisting of the truth as it has always been there always survived despite repeated atempts at it's iradication (something Cristanity usees to support it's validity is it not). for something to truly be a fringe movement it must be something that has never existed before and has yet to gain acceptance. Much like Christanity prior to Constantine whose main purpose behind adopting it was controll of the masses of which at the time Christanity was only a part.

Winners write the history books. Certainly Christian missionaries were executed in ancient times (i.e, Japan and pagan Europe, and occasionally in the Middle East in the present day), but the point remains the same. Pagan movements still lack popular support and legitimacy, and I foresee them as doing so for a very long time.

Why? Those aren't the stories people want to hear. It's a lot more comforting to hear "Jesus died for your sins" or "77 virgins await you in heaven" instead of "Odin bound Loki to a rock with his own entrails!"

However, I will continue to back the Christian-Judeo belief system, as we can actually find those places on a map. Instead of "Ygddsaril, the tree of life," or "Asgard, connected to Midgard by a rainbow bridge."

is it that hard to beleive that i might actually enjoy debate? when humans aren't preoccupied with trying to kill each other they do tend to try and work out the nature of the universe.

and who said i did research? perhaps some irrate evangelical saw my motto and quoted chapter and verse just to let me know his god doesn't like pride and i simply remembered it, perhaps i just picked a random chapter and verse out of thin air and got lucky. or googled it.

the truth is most people can remeber the seven deadly sins, that they are pseudo-christian in origin it's not that hard to make a comment on the christian and proud of it sigs.


EDIT: it's a logical fallacy to link popularity to credence of idea, if so that would mean the world was actually Flat 2000 years ago.

it also a logical fallacy to link being the winner to to the credence of an idea, or for 3 years 70years ago, exterminating the jews was a good idea.

Tammuz wrote:is it that hard to beleive that i might actually enjoy debate? when humans aren't preoccupied with trying to kill each other they do tend to try and work out the nature of the universe.

and who said i did research? perhaps some irrate evangelical saw my motto and quoted chapter and verse just to let me know his god doesn't like pride and i simply remembered it, perhaps i just picked a random chapter and verse out of thin air and got lucky. or googled it.

the truth is most people can remeber the seven deadly sins, that they are pseudo-christian in origin it's not that hard to make a comment on the christian and proud of it sigs.


EDIT: it's a logical fallacy to link popularity to credence of idea, if so that would mean the world was actually Flat 2000 years ago.

it also a logical fallacy to link being the winner to to the credence of an idea, or for 3 years 70years ago, exterminating the jews was a good idea.

I'm more inclined to accept Christianity as the proper religion due to the historical accuracy involved with its belief, the number of learned and published scholars on the subject, and the continued archaeological discoveries in the Middle East. As opposed to, say, the whirlpool Charbydis or Atlantis, which we still can't find.

Operation Ravage wrote:Winners write the history books. Certainly Christian missionaries were executed in ancient times (i.e, Japan and pagan Europe, and occasionally in the Middle East in the present day), but the point remains the same. Pagan movements still lack popular support and legitimacy, and I foresee them as doing so for a very long time.

Why? Those aren't the stories people want to hear. It's a lot more comforting to hear "Jesus died for your sins" or "77 virgins await you in heaven" instead of "Odin bound Loki to a rock with his own entrails!"

However, I will continue to back the Christian-Judeo belief system, as we can actually find those places on a map. Instead of "Ygddsaril, the tree of life," or "Asgard, connected to Midgard by a rainbow bridge."

Like Jeasus was the only one Realy you seem to think you know so much about these other religions when your posts show that you don't. I will say it again; The whole reason Christanity even gained legitamacy was because someone decided to use it as a controll structure.

Wait you want to compare places like Mt. Zion and Galgatha to Ygddsaril Umm how about I compare Alexander the Great and William of Normandy to Angels? Does that amke any scense what so ever?

and what of the akropolis? or the oracle? or Tammuz for that matter, the god Tammuz is mentioned in the bible, if the bible is historically accurate then i have a historically accurate account of worship!

Jar Axel wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:Winners write the history books. Certainly Christian missionaries were executed in ancient times (i.e, Japan and pagan Europe, and occasionally in the Middle East in the present day), but the point remains the same. Pagan movements still lack popular support and legitimacy, and I foresee them as doing so for a very long time.

Why? Those aren't the stories people want to hear. It's a lot more comforting to hear "Jesus died for your sins" or "77 virgins await you in heaven" instead of "Odin bound Loki to a rock with his own entrails!"

However, I will continue to back the Christian-Judeo belief system, as we can actually find those places on a map. Instead of "Ygddsaril, the tree of life," or "Asgard, connected to Midgard by a rainbow bridge."

Like Jeasus was the only one Realy you seem to think you know so much about these other religions when your posts show that you don't. I will say it again; The whole reason Christanity even gained legitamacy was because someone decided to use it as a controll structure.

Wait you want to compare places like Mt. Zion and Galgatha to Ygddsaril Umm how about I compare Alexander the Great and William of Normandy to Angels? Does that amke any scense what so ever?

No, it doesn't, because you're grasping at straws here. Show me, on a map of the world, where the entrance to the underworld is, as explained in "The Iliad" or "the Odyssey."

Oh, that's right, you can't find it.

How about the Tree of Life, with its well to Hel at the bottom? What about Fenrir, the wolf? Where is he on the map of the world?

Can't find that, either?

How about I show you where Jereselum, Bethlehem, and Rome are. Because I can find every single one of those places on a map of the world.

And how do my posts show that I know nothing of paganism? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guarantee you that I'm not incorrect in recalling my myths.

I also love your "control structure" theory. Face facts; Christians won. Get over it. I make no apologies for erasing holidays.

Tammuz wrote:and what of the akropolis? or the oracle? or Tammuz for that matter, the god Tammuz is mentioned in the bible, if the bible is historically accurate then i have a historically accurate account of worship!

The New Testament is more historically accurate than the old. Keep in mind that the basis of Christianity is founded in the New Testament, not the Old.

Operation Ravage wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:Winners write the history books. Certainly Christian missionaries were executed in ancient times (i.e, Japan and pagan Europe, and occasionally in the Middle East in the present day), but the point remains the same. Pagan movements still lack popular support and legitimacy, and I foresee them as doing so for a very long time.

Why? Those aren't the stories people want to hear. It's a lot more comforting to hear "Jesus died for your sins" or "77 virgins await you in heaven" instead of "Odin bound Loki to a rock with his own entrails!"

However, I will continue to back the Christian-Judeo belief system, as we can actually find those places on a map. Instead of "Ygddsaril, the tree of life," or "Asgard, connected to Midgard by a rainbow bridge."

Like Jeasus was the only one Realy you seem to think you know so much about these other religions when your posts show that you don't. I will say it again; The whole reason Christanity even gained legitamacy was because someone decided to use it as a controll structure.

Wait you want to compare places like Mt. Zion and Galgatha to Ygddsaril Umm how about I compare Alexander the Great and William of Normandy to Angels? Does that amke any scense what so ever?

No, it doesn't, because you're grasping at straws here. Show me, on a map of the world, where the entrance to the underworld is, as explained in "The Iliad" or "the Odyssey."

Oh, that's right, you can't find it.

How about the Tree of Life, with its well to Hel at the bottom? What about Fenrir, the wolf? Where is he on the map of the world?

Can't find that, either?

How about I show you where Jereselum, Bethlehem, and Rome are. Because I can find every single one of those places on a map of the world.

And how do my posts show that I know nothing of paganism? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guarantee you that I'm not incorrect in recalling my myths.

I also love your "control structure" theory. Face facts; Christians won. Get over it.

Again your comparing spiritual things to physical things. You show me where your heavan and hell are on a map and I just might take that particular argument serious.

If you are so correct in recounting your myths why only recount that parts that you can use to support your argument and not those that can be used against it? Thats like saying that Christanity is good and nothing terrible can be attributed to it based solely on the claim that Jeasus of Nazareth died for your sins.

Operation Ravage wrote:

Tammuz wrote:and what of the akropolis? or the oracle? or Tammuz for that matter, the god Tammuz is mentioned in the bible, if the bible is historically accurate then i have a historically accurate account of worship!

The New Testament is more historically accurate than the old. Keep in mind that the basis of Christianity is founded in the New Testament, not the Old.

And yet the New Testament takes it's basis from the Old. Connect the dots if you will.

Have you actually read the New Testament? Because Jesus specifically threw out a lot of Old Testament teachings. Dietary laws, for one.

Matthew 15:11: it is not what goes in that defiles a man, but what comes out.

Operation Ravage wrote:Have you actually read the New Testament? Because Jesus specifically threw out a lot of Old Testament teachings. Dietary laws, for one.

Matthew 15:11: it is not what goes in that defiles a man, but what comes out.

Yea several times and I don't remember him doing that; only phasing out the old covenant while getting rid of "human additions" just like the one you quoted.

Operation Ravage wrote:Have you actually read the New Testament? Because Jesus specifically threw out a lot of Old Testament teachings. Dietary laws, for one.

Matthew 15:11: it is not what goes in that defiles a man, but what comes out.

and mohammed did the same to the new testament about 6 centuries later....

your point?

Go back and read again.

These churches that rely nearly solely upon Old Testament teachings irritate me to no end.

Sodom and Gammorah? How about Jesus' Golden Rule instead?

Tammuz wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:Have you actually read the New Testament? Because Jesus specifically threw out a lot of Old Testament teachings. Dietary laws, for one.

Matthew 15:11: it is not what goes in that defiles a man, but what comes out.

and mohammed did the same to the new testament about 6 centuries later....

your point?

No, he didn't. He restored much of the Old Testament teachings instead of evolving them.

I.E--why can't Muslims eat pork? Why must women remain covered? etc.

Operation Ravage wrote:Go back and read again.

These churches that rely nearly solely upon Old Testament teachings irritate me to no end.

Sodom and Gammorah? How about Jesus' Golden Rule instead?

*Snort* How about inquisition?

Jar Axel wrote:

Operation Ravage wrote:Go back and read again.

These churches that rely nearly solely upon Old Testament teachings irritate me to no end.

Sodom and Gammorah? How about Jesus' Golden Rule instead?

*Snort* How about inquisition?

So now you're dredging up 15th century mistakes to justify your current condemnation of a religion? That was half a millennium ago.

EDIT: and before you can say, "my beliefs are being persecuted by ignorant Christians," keep in mind that nobody has stuck your nuts in a vise, which is a marked improvement, methinks.