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I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:All Generation 1 toys (with 1 or 2 exceptionms) are ugly as sin. They are unposeable bricks with way off proportions.

1 or 2 exceptions hunh? very gracious of you.

Learn to respect your roots bub.

I am well aware that at the time they were high tech toys, but by todays standards they're craptacular

Yeah, because Leader Megatron is the pinacle of engineering excellece, right?

You don't buy an old sportscar because it is slower than most new economy cars out today...you buy it because it is a classic, and is lovingly remembered for what it was when it was released. Without the "craptacular" 1961 Jaguar XKE Roadster, there would have been no Jaguar XJ220 supercar.

I will gladly take my purple reissue Galvatron over Leader Megatron any day of the YEAR, thank you very much.

See where I am going with this?

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:All Generation 1 toys (with 1 or 2 exceptionms) are ugly as sin. They are unposeable bricks with way off proportions.

1 or 2 exceptions hunh? very gracious of you.

Learn to respect your roots bub.

I am well aware that at the time they were high tech toys, but by todays standards they're craptacular

Yeah, because Leader Megatron is the pinacle of engineering excellece, right?

You don't buy an old sportscar because it is slower than most new economy cars out today...you buy it because it is a classic, and is lovingly remembered for what it was when it was released. Without the "craptacular" 1961 Jaguar XKE Roadster, there would have been no Jaguar XJ220 supercar.

I will gladly take my purple reissue Galvatron over Leader Megatron any day of the YEAR, thank you very much.

See where I am going with this?

Calm down byddy, not trying pick a fight (not on this thread at least) Im entitled to my opinion, and you dont like it, TS, move to china or some other commie country

Oh and BTW, Galvatron is one of the exceptions Im talking about, he just plain rules, if only I could find him for cheaper then $75!

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:All Generation 1 toys (with 1 or 2 exceptionms) are ugly as sin. They are unposeable bricks with way off proportions.

1 or 2 exceptions hunh? very gracious of you.

Learn to respect your roots bub.

I am well aware that at the time they were high tech toys, but by todays standards they're craptacular

Ignorance, does not become the modern man.

Permit me to guide you down the path or righteousness...

Fortress Maximus: Never surpassed

Soundwave: Again, never surpassed. Modern representations have been pale imitations.

Grimlock (Hell, any Dinobot): Would you prefer the Energon or Classics one over the original and if you do prefer one of those, what level of retarded are you exactly?

Now three examples does not a theory make, but it is only to serve as a basis for displaying that you are over generalizing, over simplifying, and essentially adding nothing to the conversation with your dense blanket statement.

(Behold ya’ll, it’s topsy turvey day as I go about exposing the virtues of vintage toys. )

Counterpunch wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:All Generation 1 toys (with 1 or 2 exceptionms) are ugly as sin. They are unposeable bricks with way off proportions.

1 or 2 exceptions hunh? very gracious of you.

Learn to respect your roots bub.

I am well aware that at the time they were high tech toys, but by todays standards they're craptacular

Ignorance, does not become the modern man.

Permit me to guide you down the path or righteousness...

Fortress Maximus: Never surpassed

Soundwave: Again, never surpassed. Modern representations have been pale imitations.

Grimlock (Hell, any Dinobot): Would you prefer the Energon or Classics one over the original and if you do prefer one of those, what level of retarded are you exactly?

Now three examples does not a theory make, but it is only to serve as a basis for displaying that you are over generalizing, over simplifying, and essentially adding nothing to the conversation with your dense blanket statement.

(Behold ya’ll, it’s topsy turvey day as I go about exposing the virtues of vintage toys. )

Thanks for listing the exceptions I was talking about, are you done?

Beast Wars Sonar...



And the worse, especially considering how cool he was in the show...

Beast Machines Silverbolt





At least Wheelie was a pretty lame character to begin with.

You can respect TF's roots and still think that G1 toys are crap by todays standards, because they are. Sure, without G1 we wouldn't have any of the stuff we have now but let's face facts, if Hasbro starting releasing brand new molds (not G1 reissues) that weren't any sort of G1 homage, just toys done in that style with simple transformations and misproportioned blocky bodies we'd all be like WTF? Today's figures blow G1 away, maybe you don't like the designs or maybe you can't get over your nostalgia but the simple fact is that toy manufacturing technology has improved vastly over the years and from an engineering standpoint the new figures win and it's no contest.

I_AM_MEGATRON can still respect G1 and prefer todays figures, that's a no brainer and anyone on here trying to say otherwise is ridiculous.

Also, Counterpunch, I'm sure there are a lot of people who would prefer Classics Grimlock to G1 Grimlock, especially people who didn't grow up with G1. To say someone is retarded for preferring the former instead of the latter is uncalled for and ignorant. Also, all of your "examples" are nothing more than your opinions, not fact. I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel Fortress Maximus has been surpassed, maybe not in size but in other ways.

Some people prefer articulation and complex transformations and some prefer blocky robots and simple transformations. Some prefer Beast Wars and some prefer Energon. It's not our place to say which one is "better" because it's all a matter of preference.

Phenotype wrote:You can respect TF's roots and still think that G1 toys are crap by todays standards, because they are. Sure, without G1 we wouldn't have any of the stuff we have now but let's face facts, if Hasbro starting releasing brand new molds (not G1 reissues) that weren't any sort of G1 homage, just toys done in that style with simple transformations and misproportioned blocky bodies we'd all be like WTF? Today's figures blow G1 away, maybe you don't like the designs or maybe you can't get over your nostalgia but the simple fact is that toy manufacturing technology has improved vastly over the years and from an engineering standpoint the new figures win and it's no contest.

I_AM_MEGATRON can still respect G1 and prefer todays figures, that's a no brainer and anyone on here trying to say otherwise is ridiculous.

Also, Counterpunch, I'm sure there are a lot of people who would prefer Classics Grimlock to G1 Grimlock, especially people who didn't grow up with G1. To say someone is retarded for preferring the former instead of the latter is uncalled for and ignorant. Also, all of your "examples" are nothing more than your opinions, not fact. I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel Fortress Maximus has been surpassed, maybe not in size but in other ways.

Some people prefer articulation and complex transformations and some prefer blocky robots and simple transformations. Some prefer Beast Wars and some prefer Energon. It's not our place to say which one is "better" because it's all a matter of preference.

Thank you Phenotype, couldnt have put it better myself. this is yet another reason why I hate the G1 "Purests." Disagree with them in any way and its World War III! Say Phenotype you would by any chance have run a Zoids site in the past have you?

Yep, I don't update it anymore but it's still there: http://www.pheno.zoids.org.uk

HA! Knew it was you! Why dont you update it anymore?

Phenotype wrote:Also, Counterpunch, I'm sure there are a lot of people who would prefer Classics Grimlock to G1 Grimlock, especially people who didn't grow up with G1. To say someone is retarded for preferring the former instead of the latter is uncalled for and ignorant. Also, all of your "examples" are nothing more than your opinions, not fact. I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel Fortress Maximus has been surpassed, maybe not in size but in other ways.

Hardly.

Fortress Maximus has not even been attempted in any way shape or form. He is still the best City former ever.

Every main line release of Soundwave has had notable flaws. Titanium Soundwave is better? Cybertron Soundwave is better (kibble and collapsable knee included)?

May I remind you where this came from, this whole discussion?

[quote="I_am...MEGATRON!]All Generation 1 toys (with 1 or 2 exceptionms) are ugly as sin. They are unposeable bricks with way off proportions.[/quote]

This all started because of this statement.

You can have your opinion, you can like one thing over another, but when you have no support or basis for your opinion, it become subject to criticism that does not even have to be bridled by simple niceties.

You were right to call me on inferring that people who would choose classics Grimlock over G1 as being retarded (although, ‘ignorant’ doesn’t really apply here). I obviously didn’t mean it; it was part of a larger point. However, in my defense, or “opinion” (since we’re all so concerned about preserving other people’s opinions) I did have a point. Much in contrast to “all of this sucks”.

I would have jumped all over someone who in contrast had said that all of the new toys are garbage in much a similar fashion.

There is no debate, no discussion, and certainly no thought put in to, “This sucks entirely, it’s all garbage.”

Just to piss Counterpunch off, Armada leader Optimus Prime!


But in reality, tit Soundwave! He just looks wired as if he's been made by five different artists!

Counterpunch wrote:
Fortress Maximus has not even been attempted in any way shape or form.

I think it's never been attempted since Fortress Maximus was just too big and too expensive, and he never sold.

I can only speak from my experience, but I remember him being one of the shelf warmers (floor warmers is more like it) of the day, because no parent I knew could actually afford the damn thing.

In retrospect, I should have bit the bullet and bought one, keep MIB and sold it today - it would pay for my education...

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:HA! Knew it was you! Why dont you update it anymore?

I'm not really into Zoids anymore. I don't know if you heard but I sold off my entire collection on eBay except for 10 Zoids. I still like them and I've ordered the HMM versions of Shield Liger and Command Wolf. I had a lot of fun collecting them and met a ton of great people, it's hard to explain but I just grew out of them and I was ready to move on. The only thing I'm collecting right now is the TF movie line.

Counterpunch wrote:Hardly.

Fortress Maximus has not even been attempted in any way shape or form. He is still the best City former ever.

Every main line release of Soundwave has had notable flaws. Titanium Soundwave is better? Cybertron Soundwave is better (kibble and collapsable knee included)?

Ah, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you meant they were the best TF's and hadn't been surpassed in any shape or form. I agree that Fort Max is the best city bot but others may disagree.

Honestly though, I do like Cybertron Soundwave better. It's fully articulated, doesn't look blocky, has a complex transformation, and a sleek sculpt. G1 was great in the '80s and if you prefer it to anything new that's your prerogative and I'm not going to tell you otherwise but for me no G1 figure could ever surpass a modern figure for the reasons I listed above. To me G1 figures look very outdated, I'm not into vintage toys at all and don't prefer that style.

Counterpunch wrote:Hardly.

Fortress Maximus has not even been attempted in any way shape or form. He is still the best City former ever.

Every main line release of Soundwave has had notable flaws. Titanium Soundwave is better? Cybertron Soundwave is better (kibble and collapsable knee included)?

I didn't like Fortress Maximus whatsoever. Something just bugged me about it's look, besides the fact that I never liked city transformers.

Cybertron Soundwave was hit and miss and it didn't surpass the original, but the Laserbeak that came with him was so much better than the original.

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:All Generation 1 toys (with 1 or 2 exceptionms) are ugly as sin. They are unposeable bricks with way off proportions.

1 or 2 exceptions hunh? very gracious of you.

Learn to respect your roots bub.

I am well aware that at the time they were high tech toys, but by todays standards they're craptacular

Yeah, because Leader Megatron is the pinacle of engineering excellece, right?

You don't buy an old sportscar because it is slower than most new economy cars out today...you buy it because it is a classic, and is lovingly remembered for what it was when it was released. Without the "craptacular" 1961 Jaguar XKE Roadster, there would have been no Jaguar XJ220 supercar.

I will gladly take my purple reissue Galvatron over Leader Megatron any day of the YEAR, thank you very much.

See where I am going with this?

Calm down byddy, not trying pick a fight (not on this thread at least) Im entitled to my opinion, and you dont like it, TS, move to china or some other commie country

1. I am quite calm, but if you are going to insult the "roots" of all TFs, at least support an unassailably-magnificent example of the new wave, like Optimal Optimus (IMHO).

2. I know you are not trying to pick a fight, you threw your hat in the ring...others tend to follow suit. That is why this is a forum, not a one-way lecture. People tend to respond to broad and sweeping statements. I know this better than most...

3. I am not moving to China, perhaps Japan, but that is a few years down the road.

I may not like say, Beast Wars, but calling it "craptacular" is downright insulting to the fans of the series. I am also sure my fellow "Gee Wunners", all 5 of us here, would feel the same about our cherished incarnation of TFs.

Just my two cents.

Ok YouFearGalvatron and Counterpunch this is just short of a formal warning, I_AM... MEGATRON simply stated his opinion which is what this thread is about. Just because you disagree with him does not make his opinion wrong. Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, even if beauty was a horse. So lay off.

Hang on, HotRod, Counterpunch was just replying, because this dude's been saying he hates G1 over and over again, and Counterpunch was disagreeing saying that there were more than just a few toys better than modren toys, and YouFearGalvatron was providing examples. And I agree, a majority of G1 surpass the toys of today. Ultra Magnus- Still fun. Sixshot, still one of the best multi-changers around today, Any city bot, etc.

And back to the original post, Recurring theme with me- Cindersaur. I HATE THAT TOY! (The Firecons are something I wish we could forget from G1.)

Damolisher wrote:Hang on, HotRod, Counterpunch was just replying, because this dude's been saying he hates G1 over and over again, and Counterpunch was disagreeing saying that there were more than just a few toys better than modren toys, and YouFearGalvatron was providing examples. And I agree, a majority of G1 surpass the toys of today. Ultra Magnus- Still fun. Sixshot, still one of the best multi-changers around today, Any city bot, etc.

And back to the original post, Recurring theme with me- Cindersaur. I HATE THAT TOY! (The Firecons are something I wish we could forget from G1.)

Hey lets get something straight right now. I DO NOT HATE G1. I love the series, and I love the movie. If I dispise the toys, its only because the newer ones are so much better. What I DO hate are the G1 Purests that think every other toy and series after G1 is inferior, and bash anyone that disagrees with them, thats what I hate

The toys are awesome, in my opinion, anyways, because they're so weird, they're awesome. It's funny, because most of my G1 collection is older than I am.

The whole Generation 1 toyline with Armada toyline in second and Energon in third, lol

Anyway on a more serious note How about G1 Galvatron. I never had him as a kid but in 2002 a friend who was working for goodwill picked him up for me. I let him keep it. absoloutly horrid, and it aggravates me that they still to this day have not made a good Galvatron toy. There was rumor that he would appear in the classics line, but yet he still hasn't appeared.

I'd like to see a masterpiece Galvatron. Anyway heres G1 Galvatron for you:



What is that a crown on his head? geez

Cormaster628 wrote:The whole Generation 1 toyline with Armada toyline in second and Energon in third, lol

Anyway on a more serious note How about G1 Galvatron. I never had him as a kid but in 2002 a friend who was working for goodwill picked him up for me. I let him keep it. absoloutly horrid, and it aggravates me that they still to this day have not made a good Galvatron toy. There was rumor that he would appear in the classics line, but yet he still hasn't appeared.

I'd like to see a masterpiece Galvatron. Anyway heres G1 Galvatron for you:



What is that a crown on his head? geez

Yeah at my local Anime store (yes, I actually have a local anime store, lucky me huh?) they have Galvatron painted in purple like the movie (I believe that means it the EHobby one then,someone clarify please) but they want $75 for it! Should I get it?

I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:The whole Generation 1 toyline with Armada toyline in second and Energon in third, lol

Anyway on a more serious note How about G1 Galvatron. I never had him as a kid but in 2002 a friend who was working for goodwill picked him up for me. I let him keep it. absoloutly horrid, and it aggravates me that they still to this day have not made a good Galvatron toy. There was rumor that he would appear in the classics line, but yet he still hasn't appeared.

I'd like to see a masterpiece Galvatron. Anyway heres G1 Galvatron for you:



What is that a crown on his head? geez

Yeah at my local Anime store (yes, I actually have a local anime store, lucky me huh?) they have Galvatron painted in purple like the movie (I believe that means it the EHobby one then,someone clarify please) but they want $75 for it! Should I get it?

none of my local anime stores or even comic shops carry tformer toys . However if i saw a reissue g1 galv on the shelf somewhere, i would pick it up.

Cormaster628 wrote:The whole Generation 1 toyline with Armada toyline in second and Energon in third, lol

Anyway on a more serious note How about G1 Galvatron. I never had him as a kid but in 2002 a friend who was working for goodwill picked him up for me. I let him keep it. absoloutly horrid, and it aggravates me that they still to this day have not made a good Galvatron toy. There was rumor that he would appear in the classics line, but yet he still hasn't appeared.

I'd like to see a masterpiece Galvatron. Anyway heres G1 Galvatron for you:



What is that a crown on his head? geez

Yeah, once again, your opinion. Not fact. G1 Galvatron IS bloody good. The Reissue I spent 145 NZ on is the best buy I'v ever made.

Movie Arcee
followed closely by Movie anything.

Their heads are the ugliest bits of plastic I have ever seen.

Titanium GI Joe Megatron is also pretty damn ugly...

If there was ever a toy made from the Megatron/Ratchet merger, that would win ugliest toy easily