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by **megrimlock** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:22 pm

Which Autobot is older? Kup, or Ironhide?

Website · by **Skullgrin140** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:55 pm

I would say Kup.

News Credits: 2 · by **Sephron1335** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:27 pm

Wow, that's crazy weird...I was just thinking this same thing this morning after reading the Kup Spotlight yesterday. Plus, I just recently read The War Within again and Kup and Ironhide are part of Grimlock's squad. I liked seeing them together; makes sense.

Anyway, I would say Kup, also...with Ironhide being part of his first group of trainees. Kup was pretty fresh himself, but had seen enough action to take a group under his wing. That's my take on it anyway.

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:09 pm

Kup was designed to be Ironhide's replacement post movie (older bot who is an adviser to the Prime).

I'd say Kup, but I'm not certain on that at all.

by **megrimlock** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:48 am

In the tech specs, it says that Ironhide is the oldest Autobot. But of course, that was before the Kup character was introduced. Ironhide's tech specs could probably be based on the original 16 Autobots.

Officially, I have never seen or read anything to determine who is the older of the two.

by **Bonger** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:24 am

I always got the impression Kup was older.

If I had to put human years on them, Ironhide dtruck me as a guy in his late 40s, early 50s, while Kup was more like a grizzled tough guy in his 60s.

News Credits: 3 · by **Stormwolf** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:32 pm

I think that both Kup and Ironhide are from the same "generation", all other guys like Prowl, Jazz, Magnus, etc came after them.

by **god_convoy_2005** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:40 pm

I would call Kup older. His body looks like it has been through a lot. The flashback in "Chaos" shows Kup in lighter colors in his younger years.
Ironhide's body shows no signs of age, and he acts like an impatient younger soldier.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:44 pm

In the IDW comics, I'd say Kup. In the G1 cartoon, it's less clear but something about Kup (perhaps his grizzly or miserly attitude) suggests he is slightly older than Ironhide. I can't even remember Ironhide in the Marvel comics so I have no idea about those.

by **Night Raid** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:59 pm

Kup. But just by a little. At least, that's what I think.

by **Great Atlas** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:29 pm

I'd have to go w/ kup

News Credits: 4 · by **Bumblethumper** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:24 pm

Sephron1335 wrote: Plus, I just recently read The War Within again and Kup and Ironhide are part of Grimlock's squad. I liked seeing them together; makes sense.

I presume Kup is older than Grimlock. Grimlock love Kup's war stories.

by **prowlstreak** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:23 pm

there both an older generation of autobot but i think kup looks older because hes probaly been through more than ironhide

News Credits: 12 · by **Mulla** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:30 pm

Why is this thread going in two different forums?

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:12 pm

Mulla™ wrote:Why is this thread going in two different forums?

One's a hologram.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:40 pm

Leonardo wrote:
Mulla™ wrote:Why is this thread going in two different forums?

One's a hologram.

Decoys Louis! Decoys!

I want a onesy

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:34 am

the reason Kup looks and acts older in the cartoon is probably that he's been up on Cybertron fighting the good fight whilst Ironhide and the rest of the Arc crew have been laying down on the job for 4million years. They could easily be the same age, chronologically, but I think Kup's been through a bit more.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:41 am

craggy wrote:the reason Kup looks and acts older in the cartoon is probably that he's been up on Cybertron fighting the good fight whilst Ironhide and the rest of the Arc crew have been laying down on the job for 4million years. They could easily be the same age, chronologically, but I think Kup's been through a bit more.

I see what you mean. You're saying that Kup could be more weathered, could have suffered more wear and tear. Is that right?

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:18 pm

craggy wrote:the reason Kup looks and acts older in the cartoon is probably that he's been up on Cybertron fighting the good fight whilst Ironhide and the rest of the Arc crew have been laying down on the job for 4million years. They could easily be the same age, chronologically, but I think Kup's been through a bit more.

Liking that theory.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:00 pm

Leonardo wrote:I see what you mean. You're saying that Kup could be more weathered, could have suffered more wear and tear. Is that right?

Exactly. Like a G1 toy that you had as a kid, played with outside in your garden, dropped rocks on in an Autobot City battle type of thing compared to one you just bought off e-bay that was a hundred quid but still MISB. Both made at the same time but it's easy to tell which has seen more action.