The Energon Pub

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:52 pm

godzillabot wrote:Blitzwing is obviously a hint to: Terminator, Belloc, and any insane person,

You do know the Terminator was very cold and emotionless, right? Come to think of it, Schwarzenegger never played any roles like the Angry Face.

godzillabot wrote:Blackarachnia is not sexy

Yes she is.

godzillabot wrote:Optimus is a kid!

That was the point, he's a young inexperienced leader, which was a great deviation from the "Everyone respects him and he is the best" take on him.

godzillabot wrote:Making toys of characters that never were on the show

Really? Dude, that's how it is with every series.

godzillabot wrote:Swindle is a walking infomercial

And I think that's awesome.

godzillabot wrote:The stereotypical New York Constructicons

Sort of. if you look closely, they're supposed to be parodies of roles played by Joe Pesci and Robert DeNiro. (Goodfellas and Casino, for example)

godzillabot wrote:Dinobots can’t even talk

They don't talk often but they do have speaking lines.

godzillabot wrote:Wreck Gar is acting special needs

Wreck Gar, in this series, gets a pass for everything he does by being voiced by Weird Al.

godzillabot wrote:Transformations sucked, I mean look; a swift criss-cross of color?

Opposed to the just kind of changing shape in ways that don't make sense that G1 used.

godzillabot wrote:Guitarformers?

Yes, and it is glorious.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:57 pm

None of them. :evil:

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:00 am

Sabrblade wrote:None of them.

I'm going to say Kiss Players again, see how you react to that.

Kiss Players.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:23 am

Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:None of them.

I'm going to say Kiss Players again, see how you react to that.

Kiss Players.

NONE!

(an explanation will come later)

by **Godzillabot Primal** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:57 am

Shadowman wrote:
godzillabot wrote:Blitzwing is obviously a hint to: Terminator, Belloc, and any insane person,

You do know the Terminator was very cold and emotionless, right? Come to think of it, Schwarzenegger never played any roles like the Angry Face.

godzillabot wrote:Blackarachnia is not sexy

Yes she is.

godzillabot wrote:Optimus is a kid!

That was the point, he's a young inexperienced leader, which was a great deviation from the "Everyone respects him and he is the best" take on him.

godzillabot wrote:Making toys of characters that never were on the show

Really? Dude, that's how it is with every series.

godzillabot wrote:Swindle is a walking infomercial

And I think that's awesome.

godzillabot wrote:The stereotypical New York Constructicons

Sort of. if you look closely, they're supposed to be parodies of roles played by Joe Pesci and Robert DeNiro. (Goodfellas and Casino, for example)

godzillabot wrote:Dinobots can’t even talk

They don't talk often but they do have speaking lines.

godzillabot wrote:Wreck Gar is acting special needs

Wreck Gar, in this series, gets a pass for everything he does by being voiced by Weird Al.

godzillabot wrote:Transformations sucked, I mean look; a swift criss-cross of color?

Opposed to the just kind of changing shape in ways that don't make sense that G1 used.

godzillabot wrote:Guitarformers?

Yes, and it is glorious.

OMG! you're becoming Sabrblade! :shock:

No really I'm sorry about that, I was having a bad day :oops:

But you have to admit...you can sooo picture "Calm face" to say "Why, Doctor Jones what are you doing in such a nasty place"

Gyrotron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:None of them.

Energon and Animated were pretty stupid. I agree with godzillabot.

Thank you Gyrotron!

And I cannot wait for Sabrblades explanation :lol:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:00 pm

I grow tired of this. Tired of all this... bashing. All this slandering. All this hatred. These acts of spewing insults and outrage towards the franchise that we all care for so dearly.

"Which Transformers series is the worst of all?"
"Who is the worst character of all?"
"Which series do you hate the most?"
"What/who do you hate...?"
"Your least-favorite..."
"Most hated..."
"Disliked.."
"Lamest..."
"Dumbest..."
"Pathetic..."
"Pitiful..."
"Lousy..."
"Stupid..."
"I hate...!"

At the end of it all, all these things basically ask the same question:
"Which aspect of our beloved Transformers franchise shall we tear apart this time?" :BANG_HEAD:

Doesn't anyone ever get tired of finding fault in all this? Why do we put so much focus on the negative? Why not even trying looking for something, anything positive within this negativity? Or even, think of how improvements could have been made?

Of course there are to be imperfections. Each and every series has their own fair share of flaws, being far from perfect. But at the same time, they all have their own merits as well. Even Energon, even Kiss Players had its high points!

I am sick of it. I have grown weary of all the destructive criticism that we as a fandom inhibit upon that which we claim to be so lovingly into. We are more of a Fan Dumb who has taken the concept of Ruined FOREVER to new heights in the past 27 years.

What really gets me is when someone disses a series without having experienced enough of it to legitimately get a feel for what that series is really about. And when they refuse to do so, sticking with their premature opinions about it without truly giving it a fair shot. There is a word for this kind of people, and it is "ignoramus". :-x

And I really don't have to go into the aspect of Geewhiners Geewunners. We all know (or should know) of that stubborn point of view, so there's no need to open that can of worms. But to clarify, when using this term, I'm not simply referring to those who grew up with G1 and place it as their favorite. No, I'm specifically talking about those who grew up on G1, place it as their favorite, AND refuse to acknowledge any merit of any and all series to come after it. "First series" does NOT always equal "best series" or "only good series".

At the same time, I am not saying that we should only be spouting praise and blindly disregard any and all (blatant) errors that exist. That would be both silly and foolish (and a little creepy

). But there does need to be a common ground between the two points of view. There are many who focus only on one side and barely recognize the other for at least one series or two. None of the series may be masterpieces, but none of them are Satan spawns either.

I do not deny that I too have contributed to this ever-growing hatred in the past. I have issued my fair share of destructive criticism out as well, yes. But all the same, I still acknowledge that each and every series is not without pluses just as they are not without minuses.

Do I love every aspect of the Transformers franchise. No, not all of it. Are there tons of problems with it. Of course! Could things have been done differently or even better to improve on these flaws? Slag, yeah! But is it all worth the amount of disgust and distaste that it is given? Certainly not!

One of these days, I wanna make a "In the Defense of [*insert series here*]" thread, in which I defend the merits of any and all series.

My name is Sabrblade, and I am proud to call myself a Fanus Maximus.

by **DJ1107** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:41 pm

I think Prime is bad. "Dj1107 talking bad about Prime!? what a shock" If you know me by now you know I hate Prime. I don't know what it is it just bugs me. I guess I start with square 1 Optimus sucks in this show everytime I've seen him fight or have episodes surrounded by him he's either on the floor or dying. I was never introduced to a good start to Arcee she came off as a bitch to me. And no I'm not saying ALL female Transformers should be weak for example I liked Airazor, Override (yes I'm aware she was male in GF). But I think everyone agrees that She's like cancer to former Mini-bots I.E. Pipes & Cliffjumper. It also doesn't help that this show says that it's in continuity with WFC that right there should be enough to hate it. Your telling me we gave up Adam from Power Rangers so we can have a Bumblebee that has to be like his movie counterpart. I also hate the transformation because When you mix the Movie look with Animated look your not going to get good result for the toy's. There also seems to be..

by **DJ1107** » Sun May 22, 2011 3:07 pm

(Sorry for the double post but I need to continue.) a lack of compatance with most of these characters For example I questioned if the autobots have a way to get on Nemesis why don't they plant a bomb. People said that they didn't have the resource I call bullcrap they have a military facility as there HQ they could just have Ratchet build a bomb have Arcee sneek aboard find the engine room a plant it there. This kind of thing happens with the Cons as well Soundwave know who these kids are He could hack a satellite find were they live and kidnap them and train knowledge from there heads on where the Autobot base is. Also this new episode Megatron has every right to kill Starscream it's no like back in G1 were he kept him around because Megatron knows That The Autobots outnumber his team 24 to 5. In this theres no need He has an army in this continuity it's either bad writing or Starscream said "I'm Steven Blum you can't kill me. One last thing to stick the knife in this show When The new MLP show is doing 10x

by **DJ1107** » Sun May 22, 2011 3:09 pm

(3rd post again sorry goddamn PS3) better than this Transformers show YOU NEED HELP

News Credits: 2 · by **Nico** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:51 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I grow tired of this. Tired of all this... bashing. All this slandering. All this hatred. These acts of spewing insults and outrage towards the franchise that we all care for so dearly.

"Which Transformers series is the worst of all?"
"Who is the worst character of all?"
"Which series do you hate the most?"
"What/who do you hate...?"
"Your least-favorite..."
"Most hated..."
"Disliked.."
"Lamest..."
"Dumbest..."
"Pathetic..."
"Pitiful..."
"Lousy..."
"Stupid..."
"I hate...!"

At the end of it all, all these things basically ask the same question:
"Which aspect of our beloved Transformers franchise shall we tear apart this time?"

Doesn't anyone ever get tired of finding fault in all this? Why do we put so much focus on the negative? Why not even trying looking for something, anything positive within this negativity? Or even, think of how improvements could have been made?

Of course there are to be imperfections. Each and every series has their own fair share of flaws, being far from perfect. But at the same time, they all have their own merits as well. Even Energon, even Kiss Players had its high points!

I am sick of it. I have grown weary of all the destructive criticism that we as a fandom inhibit upon that which we claim to be so lovingly into. We are more of a Fan Dumb who has taken the concept of Ruined FOREVER to new heights in the past 27 years.

What really gets me is when someone disses a series without having experienced enough of it to legitimately get a feel for what that series is really about. And when they refuse to do so, sticking with their premature opinions about it without truly giving it a fair shot. There is a word for this kind of people, and it is "ignoramus".

And I really don't have to go into the aspect of Geewhiners Geewunners. We all know (or should know) of that stubborn point of view, so there's no need to open that can of worms. But to clarify, when using this term, I'm not simply referring to those who grew up with G1 and place it as their favorite. No, I'm specifically talking about those who grew up on G1, place it as their favorite, AND refuse to acknowledge any merit of any and all series to come after it. "First series" does NOT always equal "best series" or "only good series".

At the same time, I am not saying that we should only be spouting praise and blindly disregard any and all (blatant) errors that exist. That would be both silly and foolish (and a little creepy ). But there does need to be a common ground between the two points of view. There are many who focus only on one side and barely recognize the other for at least one series or two. None of the series may be masterpieces, but none of them are Satan spawns either.

I do not deny that I too have contributed to this ever-growing hatred in the past. I have issued my fair share of destructive criticism out as well, yes. But all the same, I still acknowledge that each and every series is not without pluses just as they are not without minuses.

Do I love every aspect of the Transformers franchise. No, not all of it. Are there tons of problems with it. Of course! Could things have been done differently or even better to improve on these flaws? Slag, yeah! But is it all worth the amount of disgust and distaste that it is given? Certainly not!

One of these days, I wanna make a "In the Defense of [*insert series here*]" thread, in which I defend the merits of any and all series.

My name is Sabrblade, and I am proud to call myself a Fanus Maximus.

This. This is a post that has given me a slight shred of hope for the Transformer community. That is no easy feat. :APPLAUSE:

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:[lots of nonsense]

Because there's things we don't like about Transformers. We are allowed to not like things. You're wall of text is completely senseless because we are not required to be 100% satisfied with the franchise.

I mean, I brought up Kiss Players. Borderline lolicon plus blatant phallic imagery. Am I really supposed to look at **** like this (Possibly NSFW) and say "Well, it's Transformers, so I must love it unconditionally!"? And keep in mind, that's a relatively mild picture.

Face it, not everyone is going to like the entire franchise. Even me, and I don't think I'm too far off to say there's things about it that eve you don't like.

by **JetOptimus23** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:40 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:[lots of nonsense]

Because there's things we don't like about Transformers. We are allowed to not like things. You're wall of text is completely senseless because we are not required to be 100% satisfied with the franchise.

I mean, I brought up Kiss Players. Borderline lolicon plus blatant phallic imagery. Am I really supposed to look at **** like this (Possibly NSFW) and say "Well, it's Transformers, so I must love it unconditionally!"? And keep in mind, that's a relatively mild picture.

Face it, not everyone is going to like the entire franchise. Even me, and I don't think I'm too far off to say there's things about it that eve you don't like.

I know I'm probably fighting a losing battle arguing with Shadowman, but Saber never said to love everything Transformers and worship it as perfection, but to focus on the positive, while still acknowledging the bad things about our great franchise (of which Kiss Players is prominent). In fact, there were redeemable qualities to Kiss Players:........

Actually no there aren't, but my point still stands. I agree with Saber. We can't just become imbittered old fools who shun all new things, we must embrace the newness; good and bad.

Thank you for listening...hopefully.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:15 pm

Shadowman is right. No amount of verbal masturbation is going to inspire people to drop their bias, likes, or dislikes. Freedom (of expression) is the right of al- You get the idea.

Besides, there are plenty of voices praising the different series, movies, etc. It seems to be so much easier to pick on the negative expression like it's some kind of cardinal sin.

by **dinogeist** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:37 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:[lots of nonsense]

Because there's things we don't like about Transformers. We are allowed to not like things. You're wall of text is completely senseless because we are not required to be 100% satisfied with the franchise.

I mean, I brought up Kiss Players. Borderline lolicon plus blatant phallic imagery. Am I really supposed to look at **** like this (Possibly NSFW) and say "Well, it's Transformers, so I must love it unconditionally!"? And keep in mind, that's a relatively mild picture.

Face it, not everyone is going to like the entire franchise. Even me, and I don't think I'm too far off to say there's things about it that eve you don't like.

I agree,

the whole point behind these TF moderated message boards. is to discuss your likes & dis-likes with fellow TF fans.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:59 pm

To be fair, I didn't read most of Sabrblade's post. However, it's still really, really silly to come into a thread and post a wall of text saying how the subject matter shouldn't be discussed.

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Sun May 22, 2011 11:13 pm

Shadowman wrote:To be fair, I didn't read most of Sabrblade's post. However, it's still really, really silly to come into a thread and post a wall of text saying how the subject matter shouldn't be discussed.

I am on your side, Lord Shadowman.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun May 22, 2011 11:43 pm

Autobot-Hellstriker wrote:-The fact that it was never actually explained in full detailed speculation in the show how megatron falls of a ship and when the maximals arrive it's like he got a 4 week advantage. It would've been nice if the show implied the maximals were probably unconscious/in stasis for those weeks BUT NOPE NO EXPLANATION WAS GIVEN.

An explanation was indeed given.

Skyfire77 wrote:Actually, that was Autobot-Hellstriker's point, not mine, but while I'm here: I don't buy it. Thing is, they were moving through time and space. Yeah Megs breaking free would have dropped him out weeks or months before the shuttle, but it should have left him stranded millions of miles from Cybertron.

Not neesearaly.

You seem to be implying that they would have traveled trew both at the same time.Theres no reason to assume thats the case.

As for my opinion on the topic, any of the Unicron trilogy of shows.

As for Beast Machines, I guess I'm the odd man out here.I feel BM was one of the best written and produced TF shows ever.Toyline sucked thou.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:12 am

It's the shallow, blind hatred that I was primarily targeting. The hatred that comes about for the sheer sake of hating parts of the franchise. The hatred that scorns for the sake of scorning. The hatred that focuses on the narrowest of aspects and completely overlooks the bigger picture. The hatred that stubbornly refuses to see any light at the end of the tunnel. The unjustifiable hatred that bases entire opinions on the slightest of nitpicks.

And many series, especially Kiss Players, fall victim to this heartless rage. Like I said, there are many imperfections to each series, but imperfections do not encompass the entire whole of any series.

Using Kiss Players as an example, its flaws are its grotesque, perverted imagery and concepts used in its first story arc. Yet, there is more, much more to it than a bunch of hentai material. :roll:

The story takes place between the five year interval of the G1 movie (2005) and the season 3 episodes that were shifted into 2010 for the Japanese dub known as Transformers 2010. The first half of the story (which is the one that everybody points to because of its "explicit content") is a dark, gripping, intense story that involves Autobots on the run from the law, armies of monstrous creatures known as "Legion" (which only one of them bears the phallic tongue and Megatron/Decepticharge body) created by Galvatron's cells, a corrupt Earth Defense Command headed by an anti-Transformer commander who has dark secrets and plans of her own, and a new breed of Transformer (also enhanced from Galvatron's Unicronian cells) that (despite its queer methods) possesses an ability very akin to the Powermasters of G1.

The second half of the story (an arc that goes by the name of Kiss Players Position) is much less graphic and tells a story that is not only much more PG, but is also probably the most awesome, most fanwankery TF nerd-tastic piece of material to ever come before the Alternity fiction and the Animated AllSpark Almanac books! It basically involves the Kiss Players and Brave Maximus (Japanese counterpart of RiD Fortress Maximus) traveling through time and space with a group of TFs known as the Sparkbots, as they work to recover fragments from a destroyed talisman called the "Allspark". They take this mission by dimension-hopping to literally every major series created before the first Bay movie: They go from G1 2007 to G1 1984 to G1 2010 to The Headmasters (G1 2011), to Masterforce, to Victory (G1 2025), to Zone, to Return of Convoy, to the pre-G2 era of Action Masters, to G-2, to Beast Wars, to Beast Wars II, to Beast Wars Neo, to Car Robots (G1 2000), and then across realities to all three parts of the Unicron Trilogy! Then finally, all is revealed to be a deception. The Sparkbots are really minions of a great evil. An evil so great that Primus himself must make his presence known in the G1 cartoon continuity for the first time! The fragments they have been collecting from all over the multiverse were not pieces of some "Allspark", but were in fact Angolmois, all of which had been gathered and brought to prehistoric Earth at some point after the Beast Wars had concluded. None other than Unicron himself was temporarily resurrected, but his return was quickly halted by Primus, who had followed them all to that time and place. Primus seals Unicron's lifeforce and the Sparkbots within the Earth, explaining how the Angolmois wound up there in the future during Beast Wars II (known by then as the planet "Gaea"). As Brave Maxmius had disappeared earlier (having wound up on the Planet Master in the past to serve as the inspiration for the Autobot Headmaster Fortress's own vessel Battleship Maximus), Primus then created Brave Maximus in the past that he and Kiss Players were in to serve as Earth guardian and protect it from Unicron's slumbering presence (though we know that he would ultimaely fail in this task due to having to take the captured Destrongers back to Cybertron in Car Robots, and then going on the time-space venture with the Kiss Players and Sparkbots that his future self just endured, only to wind up on Master in the past; plus the fact that the Angolmois is eventually unearthed at some point prior to Beast Wars II, causing all of humanity be devastated and then evacuated from the planet). Oh, and, in the end, the Kiss Players are sent home.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:08 am

While I could read that wall of text, I should point out that a dimension hopping story (I could do that right now, sans the little girls) does not excuse the borderline hentai, and that cripples the series to the point that no one wants to touch it after that.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:55 am

Shadowman wrote:While I could read that wall of text, I should point out that a dimension hopping story (I could do that right now, sans the little girls) does not excuse the borderline hentai, and that cripples the series to the point that no one wants to touch it after that.

Then simply skip that arc. The second one is standaloneish enough to not need the first one.

Plus, it was only three filler chapters of manga that that visual stuff was in. The majority of the fiction was a radio drama. "Sound", not "sight". With each episode being about three minutes long and simply narrated by one person. Nothing grotesque about that.

Shadowman wrote:To be fair, I didn't read most of Sabrblade's post.

If you had read the whole thing, you'd see that I was not fully one-sided in this. I said "common ground" needs to be made and that to only spout praise would be both "silly and foolish (and a little creepy)". A balance between love and hate, like and dislike, praise and slander, is what this fandom needs.

Ignorance and extremist bashing were my primary targets, both of which result in unwarranted hatred.

Shadowman wrote:However, it's still really, really silly to come into a thread and post a wall of text saying how the subject matter shouldn't be discussed.

Because it has been done to death repeatedly and I was sick of it. I simply felt that I had to put my foot down. Like you and others have said, we have the freedom of expression. What makes mine any different?

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:13 am

Sabrblade wrote:Because it has been done to death repeatedly and I was sick of it. I simply felt that I had to put my foot down. Like you and others have said, we have the freedom of expression. What makes mine any different?

That's true. I am still on Lord Shadowman's side. Once I'm on a side I don't change. 'Con Busters rule!

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:43 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:However, it's still really, really silly to come into a thread and post a wall of text saying how the subject matter shouldn't be discussed.
Because it has been done to death repeatedly and I was sick of it. I simply felt that I had to put my foot down. Like you and others have said, we have the freedom of expression. What makes mine any different?

Because in this sense, you're not contributing to the topic at hand at all, you're actively trying to derail it by saying that the topic itself shouldn't be discussed. You want us to focus on the positive? Then make a thread focusing on the positive. This thread is about the negative.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:53 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:However, it's still really, really silly to come into a thread and post a wall of text saying how the subject matter shouldn't be discussed.
Because it has been done to death repeatedly and I was sick of it. I simply felt that I had to put my foot down. Like you and others have said, we have the freedom of expression. What makes mine any different?

Because in this sense, you're not contributing to the topic at hand at all, you're actively trying to derail it by saying that the topic itself shouldn't be discussed. You want us to focus on the positive? Then make a thread focusing on the positive. This thread is about the negative.

Like I said, I plan to do that. I just felt I had to get that off my shoulders first, as I've been keeping it bottled up for a while and just couldn't hold it in any longer. (:|

News Credits: 2 · by **Nico** » Mon May 23, 2011 3:37 pm

Well I think we can agree there's some stuff that is downright wrong or bad (Kiss Player) but while people may be entitled to an opinion (I, personally, don't like RiD or the Unicron trilogy much) all this blind bashing need to stop for good. And by blind I mean absolutely refusing to see even a single shred of quality in a specific serie.

For example, nothing will ever make me like RiD but i'm sure that I wouldn't deny it, in all likelyhood, had some high point SOMEWHERE.

Website · by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Mon May 23, 2011 3:52 pm

No amount of fanwank or nerdtastic from KISS players can excuse the imagery or the disgust. And sometimes cramming that much into a series weighs it down. I've read about what happened after and it's still got some disturbing images and weird **** I don't wanna touch with a ten-foot pole.