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This issue puzzles me.

The old Witwicky discovered FROZEN Megatron. President something built the Hoover Dam 80 years ago to house the frozen Megatron and Allspark.

Why did they keep Megatron frozen for 80 years? (While Allspark was not kept in such state)

Back in the early 1900's, ice and freezers were a luxuriously expensive thing. I'm not sure at what year was a refrigerator or freezer invented, but it seems unlikely they have the technology to create such a large freezer (and entire cave) during that time period.

Any scientific agency or society would have melted Megs down and scrutinize on him long ago, for scientific knowledge or experiments.

Imagine when an archeologist discovered a frozen Cro-magnon man or whooly mammoth, there will certainly be efforts, sooner or later, to unfreeze the discovery and probably dissect them or bring them to a state of preservation for museum.

Do they even know if that jumble of metal scraps has life or not?

And since they were originally not aware of the danger of awakening Megatron, why the hesitation for 80 years?

would have just been a better idea to keep him where he was and build a building around him...i was thinking the same thing.

Yeah, that would be more logical.

Ghosts of Yesterday novel might give you more insight.. but I can't remember 100% what happened in that book lol.. i read to much Transformer stuff, it's all different!

Yeah, in Ghosts of Yesterday they make a good point of why he needs to stay frozen (spoiler)


Megatron, who is obviously not a happy camper, starts to thaw and basically kills everyone.

Even better, they are somehow able to "reverse-engineer" him into washing machines, etc. without taking him apart.

That's practicaly impossible

Unfortunately in the World of Hollywood reality is suspended in the beleif that the viewing public are all mindless drones who are quite willing to throw their money at anything that includes any combination of Fast Cars, Big Explosions and Fast women with big boobs.

Think about it. There's a giant frozen alien robot. Are you really gonna unfreeze it? Highly unlikely that you would. First, you could do what they did and reverse-engineer it to get better technology. Second, there would be no guarantee that the robot would not harm you. Would you unfreeze a fifty foot tall metal man that has far more advanced technology that is a probable enemy? Again, I think not. Frozen is the safest choice.

Fananga wrote:Unfortunately in the World of Hollywood reality is suspended in the beleif that the viewing public are all mindless drones who are quite willing to throw their money at anything that includes any combination of Fast Cars, Big Explosions and Fast women with big boobs.

Not all of the time!!

As mean as Megatron looks, I wouldn't unthaw him either. But he was too precious a find to just leave him in the Arctic Circle. So you keep him frozen. Though I wonder how they could reverse-engineer stuff from him. Wouldn't he need to be at least somewhat functional? I guess if they kept his higher functions paralyzed it could be done.

Fananga wrote:Fast Cars, Big Explosions and Fast women with big boobs.

Here, Here.

cyclonus11 wrote:Even better, they are somehow able to "reverse-engineer" him into washing machines, etc. without taking him apart.

even better, in the prequel novel, sector 7 reverse engineers a spacecraft that looks like megatron that can go light years into space without any human who built it understanding anything about the technology they supposedly reversed engineered, as well as travel through worm holes and communicate on 1960's radio technology.
whew.

Here's a thought:

Let's say you had a forty foot tall robot frozen in a hanger somewhere. If he's unfrozen, he kills you, then goes on to enslave/kill humanity.

Do you really want to unfreeze him?

Wouldn't reverse engineering give them some insight to the technology behind them ... also I know its been asked before, but how can he travel through the depths of space (close to 0 Kelvin) and not be affected yet he gets frozen in arctic ice ... same for bumblebee when they froze him

Shadowman wrote:Here's a thought:

Let's say you had a forty foot tall robot frozen in a hanger somewhere. If he's unfrozen, he kills you, then goes on to enslave/kill humanity.

Do you really want to unfreeze him?

Yes. Yes I would.

Don't you think it would be funny to watch?

It may not make any sense, but this IS transformers. And, despite Bay's best efforts to remove any imagination and fantasy from them, most of it is still either highly unlikely or impossible.

Shadowman wrote:Here's a thought:

Let's say you had a forty foot tall robot frozen in a hanger somewhere. If he's unfrozen, he kills you, then goes on to enslave/kill humanity.

Do you really want to unfreeze him?

Wrong question. The right one is: How do you know that he would ?

Creature SH wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Here's a thought:

Let's say you had a forty foot tall robot frozen in a hanger somewhere. If he's unfrozen, he kills you, then goes on to enslave/kill humanity.

Do you really want to unfreeze him?

Wrong question. The right one is: How do you know that he would ?

Because in Ghosts of Yesterday, he was unfrozen for about ten minutes.

That's ten minutes of Megatron trying to get his bearings, and kill anyone who he doesn't like. (I.e. Everyone)

I would NOT unfreeze something that damn scary. Besides, keeping him that way makes for easier studying.

Shadowman wrote:Because in Ghosts of Yesterday, he was unfrozen for about ten minutes.

That's ten minutes of Megatron trying to get his bearings, and kill anyone who he doesn't like. (I.e. Everyone)

That's tagged on, though. They probably didn't really think about it when they wrote the movie.

well, they didn't finish writting the movie anyways till what, several months after it was filmed.
that's sloppy, imo.

Studying ANY form of creature is a LOT easier if said creature isn't moving or trying to kill you.

Tybre wrote:Think about it. There's a giant frozen alien robot. Are you really gonna unfreeze it? Highly unlikely that you would. First, you could do what they did and reverse-engineer it to get better technology. Second, there would be no guarantee that the robot would not harm you. Would you unfreeze a fifty foot tall metal man that has far more advanced technology that is a probable enemy? Again, I think not. Frozen is the safest choice.

At that period of time, they don't even know it's a robot. They thought it's an ICE MAN.

Maybe after a while, they realized that it was made of some kind of metal. But nobody at the pre-war era would ever imagine that a metal chunk can have a life of its own. Science fiction space invaders or cyborg ideas were not even invented yet.

And nobody would think that some machine frozen for ages can have a chance to work when thawed. That was in early 1900s. Machines were still simplistic, unreliable, breaks down a lot, and were generally not a serious part of everyday life yet.

Up to the latter part of the movie, they don't have an inkling that it could be dangerous. It was only until Sam told them. And Sam even have to argue to try to make the S7 guys believe Megatron was dangerous.

Considering the frozen Megatron was kept untouched, none of his parts were removed, how could reverse-engineering ever occur? The only thing they tried to study in detail was the Allspark.

How can they know the frozen metal has far more advanced technology when none of them ever saw it work yet? None of them even know what it really is.

The only time "advanced technology" came into mind was when Blackout attacked the military base. And that was already 80 years AFTER the dam was made. Much later than the discovery was made.

Shadowman wrote:

Creature SH wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Here's a thought:

Let's say you had a forty foot tall robot frozen in a hanger somewhere. If he's unfrozen, he kills you, then goes on to enslave/kill humanity.

Do you really want to unfreeze him?

Wrong question. The right one is: How do you know that he would ?

Because in Ghosts of Yesterday, he was unfrozen for about ten minutes.

That's ten minutes of Megatron trying to get his bearings, and kill anyone who he doesn't like. (I.e. Everyone)

What is Ghosts of Yesterday? Is that a tv show, or comics issue? Is it related to the Movie storyline?

Anyway...

If he was unfrozen for 10 MINUTES, how the heck did those guys froze him back again? Surely, liquid nitrogen guns and cable-shooting helicopters were not yet invented. And since nobody knows Megatron will go on a killing spree, there should not have been any contingency measure to re-freeze him.

Heck, even in the high-tech modern times, when Megatron was thawed, nobody can stop him or even point a freeze ray towards him. He was simply too fast and too powerful.

That 10 MINUTES in the Ghosts of Yesterday was, for all logical reasoning, IMPOSSIBLE to have happened.

And granting the 10 MINUTES did happen, how come the S7 guys won't believe Sam when he told them about how dangerous Megatron is? They just want to treat NBE-1 as a harmless artifact or scientific find.

And when the dam started to shut down, the S7 head even told everybody to go to NBE-1 chamber. For what? To be slaughtered?

Yeah. How DID they re-freeze him? Please tell me, or us.