Greed wrote:Well Beast Wars takes place three hundred years after G1. So that would be around 2305 and the Beast Wars were only a couple years so Beast Machines weren't that far off.
Insurgent wrote:In the ep where they explain how Megs beat them back, they say Megs broke free from the ship and fell out of transwarp into some time well before the BW left Cybertron. The rest of the Maximals continued on and arrived when they were meant to. Assuming they set the temporal coordinates to arrive when/just after they left, BM would take place 300 years after G1.
Of course, this would also create a paradox as Megs would have conquered Cybertron before he stole the Golden Disk and left to be pursued by the Axalon. So Megs basically wiped out everything in one hell of a timestorm without ever realising it. The sparks of the BW would be consumed by Megs virus, there would actually be 2 megs in this time (one who was planning to steal the Golden disk, and the one who was defeated in BW and created the techno virus), Primal wouldn't be able to pursue Megs at the start of BW because him and his crew would be captured with the rest of Cybertron, which would mean Megs couldn't go back in time to disrupt everything, so the BW did happen... and so forth (got a headache yet? ).
Either BM took place in a disrupted alternate reality, or Megs completely destroyed the fabric of the space time continuum ala Back to the Future pt2. Or Megs returned after the BW had left in the pilot and the other Maximals turned up a few hundred years after they originally left. The last one is the only way everything could happen without completely screwing up time.
And to think, if the Maximals had put Megs inside the ship when they captured him, none of this would have happened.
Caelus wrote:Insurgent wrote:In the ep where they explain how Megs beat them back, they say Megs broke free from the ship and fell out of transwarp into some time well before the BW left Cybertron. The rest of the Maximals continued on and arrived when they were meant to. Assuming they set the temporal coordinates to arrive when/just after they left, BM would take place 300 years after G1.
Of course, this would also create a paradox as Megs would have conquered Cybertron before he stole the Golden Disk and left to be pursued by the Axalon. So Megs basically wiped out everything in one hell of a timestorm without ever realising it. The sparks of the BW would be consumed by Megs virus, there would actually be 2 megs in this time (one who was planning to steal the Golden disk, and the one who was defeated in BW and created the techno virus), Primal wouldn't be able to pursue Megs at the start of BW because him and his crew would be captured with the rest of Cybertron, which would mean Megs couldn't go back in time to disrupt everything, so the BW did happen... and so forth (got a headache yet? ).
Either BM took place in a disrupted alternate reality, or Megs completely destroyed the fabric of the space time continuum ala Back to the Future pt2. Or Megs returned after the BW had left in the pilot and the other Maximals turned up a few hundred years after they originally left. The last one is the only way everything could happen without completely screwing up time.
And to think, if the Maximals had put Megs inside the ship when they captured him, none of this would have happened.
Or
Megs just wound up back on Cybertron anytime from 1 picosecond to a year after he stole the Golden disk and left for Earth. Then there isn't any paradox.
[And I still think it's a major assumption that the Maximals arrived on Cybertron exactly when they meant to.]
Insurgent wrote:In the ep where they explain how Megs beat them back, they say Megs broke free from the ship and fell out of transwarp into some time well before the BW left Cybertron. The rest of the Maximals continued on and arrived when they were meant to. Assuming they set the temporal coordinates to arrive when/just after they left, BM would take place 300 years after G1.
Of course, this would also create a paradox as Megs would have conquered Cybertron before he stole the Golden Disk and left to be pursued by the Axalon. So Megs basically wiped out everything in one hell of a timestorm without ever realising it. The sparks of the BW would be consumed by Megs virus, there would actually be 2 megs in this time (one who was planning to steal the Golden disk, and the one who was defeated in BW and created the techno virus), Primal wouldn't be able to pursue Megs at the start of BW because him and his crew would be captured with the rest of Cybertron, which would mean Megs couldn't go back in time to disrupt everything, so the BW did happen... and so forth (got a headache yet? ).
Either BM took place in a disrupted alternate reality, or Megs completely destroyed the fabric of the space time continuum ala Back to the Future pt2. Or Megs returned after the BW had left in the pilot and the other Maximals turned up a few hundred years after they originally left. The last one is the only way everything could happen without completely screwing up time.
And to think, if the Maximals had put Megs inside the ship when they captured him, none of this would have happened.
Insurgent wrote:In the ep where they explain how Megs beat them back, they say Megs broke free from the ship and fell out of transwarp into some time well before the BW left Cybertron. The rest of the Maximals continued on and arrived when they were meant to. Assuming they set the temporal coordinates to arrive when/just after they left, BM would take place 300 years after G1.
Of course, this would also create a paradox as Megs would have conquered Cybertron before he stole the Golden Disk and left to be pursued by the Axalon. So Megs basically wiped out everything in one hell of a timestorm without ever realising it. The sparks of the BW would be consumed by Megs virus, there would actually be 2 megs in this time (one who was planning to steal the Golden disk, and the one who was defeated in BW and created the techno virus), Primal wouldn't be able to pursue Megs at the start of BW because him and his crew would be captured with the rest of Cybertron, which would mean Megs couldn't go back in time to disrupt everything, so the BW did happen... and so forth (got a headache yet? ).
Either BM took place in a disrupted alternate reality, or Megs completely destroyed the fabric of the space time continuum ala Back to the Future pt2. Or Megs returned after the BW had left in the pilot and the other Maximals turned up a few hundred years after they originally left. The last one is the only way everything could happen without completely screwing up time.
And to think, if the Maximals had put Megs inside the ship when they captured him, none of this would have happened.
Uncrazzimatic wrote:Insurgent wrote:In the ep where they explain how Megs beat them back, they say Megs broke free from the ship and fell out of transwarp into some time well before the BW left Cybertron. The rest of the Maximals continued on and arrived when they were meant to. Assuming they set the temporal coordinates to arrive when/just after they left, BM would take place 300 years after G1.
Of course, this would also create a paradox as Megs would have conquered Cybertron before he stole the Golden Disk and left to be pursued by the Axalon. So Megs basically wiped out everything in one hell of a timestorm without ever realising it. The sparks of the BW would be consumed by Megs virus, there would actually be 2 megs in this time (one who was planning to steal the Golden disk, and the one who was defeated in BW and created the techno virus), Primal wouldn't be able to pursue Megs at the start of BW because him and his crew would be captured with the rest of Cybertron, which would mean Megs couldn't go back in time to disrupt everything, so the BW did happen... and so forth (got a headache yet? ).
Either BM took place in a disrupted alternate reality, or Megs completely destroyed the fabric of the space time continuum ala Back to the Future pt2. Or Megs returned after the BW had left in the pilot and the other Maximals turned up a few hundred years after they originally left. The last one is the only way everything could happen without completely screwing up time.
And to think, if the Maximals had put Megs inside the ship when they captured him, none of this would have happened.
My head... I think it's gonna...
I've always HATED TV shows, computer games ect. that involve time travel & this is why, it usually doesn't make sense to people that actually think about it instead of watching it with brain off.
Leonardo wrote:That's essentially what I was saying. As long as TM2 Megatron arrives on Cybertron at some point after BW Megatorn has stolen the Disk and the Darksyde (and, by extension, the Axalon) has departed for space, there shouldn't be any paradox or time screw-ups!
Or Megs returned after the BW had left in the pilot and the other Maximals turned up a few hundred years after they originally left. The last one is the only way everything could happen without completely screwing up time.
Insurgent wrote:Leonardo wrote:That's essentially what I was saying. As long as TM2 Megatron arrives on Cybertron at some point after BW Megatorn has stolen the Disk and the Darksyde (and, by extension, the Axalon) has departed for space, there shouldn't be any paradox or time screw-ups!
Which is what I said here:Or Megs returned after the BW had left in the pilot and the other Maximals turned up a few hundred years after they originally left. The last one is the only way everything could happen without completely screwing up time.
I think we are arguing the same point here. Not the first time I've done that.
Leonardo wrote:Surely, there shouldn't be a paradox at all.
1. BW Megatron steals the Golden Disk and departs aboard the "Darksyde".
2. BW Maximals pursue and we have the events of the first two episodes of BW.
3. BW seasons 1 - 3.
4. The Maximals attempt to take BW Megatron back to Cybertron / return home.
5. BW Megatron escapes and arrives on Cybertron after he stole the Golden Disk but prior to the Maximals' homecoming.
6. BW Megatron becomes BM Megatron by taking over the planet using his virus.
7. The BW Maximals arrive on Cybertron, they 'become' the BM Maximals.
8. BM season 1 - 2.
The only query point should be the timescale between BW Megatron stealing the Disk (departing aboard the "Darksyde" at point 1) and him arriving on Cybertron at point 5. That could be a nanosecond, an Earth day, or years.
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