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Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby william-james88 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:26 am

Hasbro's new animated series, Transformers: Cyberverse, has just started airing. While the live action films are probably what gets the biggest reach these days, there is something special about having a Transformers cartoon on the small screen. This is where many fans first became acquainted with the characters and one of the brand's most endearing storytelling mediums. While the times are changing, there is a comfort to having another Transformers cartoon on air trying to sell kids the toys they see at local toy store. Several members of the Seibertron.com staff watched the first two episodes and we wanted to share our thoughts on this show and if it holds any interest for us going forward.

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What we liked best:

I like Hasbro's intentions to finally go all out on G1. They were always dancing around it with Animated and Prime (bringing it a bit closer) but now with this show, it is full on G1. They really commit to it. To the point where it assumes you know G1 and the characters enough character's name brings a history and an importance. It's like this giant G1 sandbox that they are playing with, similar to what the IDW comics were like in that perspective but in a very kid friendly version.

I really like the designs too. It helps that some of these are similar to designs we know and already have toys of, meaning if you don't like the Windblade toy from this line you could just pick up the RID Windblade and get a toy of basically the same design/character. Of course, that is not the case for all characters, as we will see more later. Also, I love that intro. - William-James88

How the show looks, in my opinion, is a big factor in my enjoyment. The animation is very fluid, and the new evergreen designs used looks great. The show's main plot, that Bumblebee lost his memories, is a great way to world build and to see more of Cybertron's past. And Windblade's devotion to helping Bumblebee is written well and adds to her character. Episode 2 also named a generic female seeker, "Nova Storm," which was apparently one of the obscure rainmakers from the G1 show. So, yeah, cool reference! Another cool reference was the show fleshing out Windblade's cityspeaker abilities of her able to enter someone's mind easily. Also, no human characters. Yeah. - notirishman

First off, am I the only person who expected to see roadrunner racing next to Bumblebee in the opening scenes? Just me? Okay moving on swiftly. I went I to this show with low expectations after the clips that we'd seen but I actually liked what I saw. The animation was overall very smooth and the character models were expressive, most notably Windblade. Speaking of her, she was the highlight of these episodes for me, I feel that her voice actress has done a good job so far.

Like others have said before and in the threads, I wasn't expecting a stronger narrative structure than what we got and the comedic moments for the kids were more subdued than I thought, expecting a 'zany' type of humour being thrown around everywhere. - ZeroWolf

Like any new show it's hard to get a feel of things from the first few episodes, the fact that they're only 10 minutes long doesn't help the situation.

I can't say there was anything I liked "best" about the show, but, the animation was okay, not as terrible as I expected. - Burn

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Of course, it wasn't all great - here is what didn't work so well with us:

I really dislike the use of a radio for Bumblebee's voice. It isn't fun and in a show trying to be as G1 as possible, it clashes pretty badly. - William-James88

Bumblebee's voicebox. The show would've been fine if he just had Jeremy Levy's normal voice the whole time, but no, his voice box is continuity jumping. Hopefully, this can be related to a backstory similar to Prime where it was from Megatron punishing him, which I can get down with. Another complaint of mine is also related to Bumblebee's voicebox, and in that a couple of times, Bumblebee's lines can just drag on forever. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's annoying. - notirishman

Bumblebee's voice actor. If you want to do the radio voice gimmick (I can understand why they would given the close proximity of the Bumblebee movie) then you have to go all out and use different voices for the clips. Having one voice doing all just doesn't work for me. It's a shame as I do like Bumblebee when he's doing his normal speaking. While it's technically more of a 'want' than something I didn't like, I would have liked to see the Decepticons have a bit more depth given to them. I mean, it took the second episode for us to hear any Cons speaking properly. Also did Thundercracker forget he could fly when Windblade kicked him into the ravine? - ZeroWolf

Things I don't like, well, Windblade's ability to pluck all sorts of things from her back. I think we now know where Optimus' trailer goes...

Bumblebee's radio voice. I mean come on - kudos to the VA, but the concept is annoying. And as far as concepts go: Autobots and Decepticons leave Cybertron in search of the Allspark which is believed to be on Earth. Haven't we been here before? - Burn

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The biggest difference to previously aired Transformers cartoons is probably the 10 minute format. Here are our thoughts on that:

I don't understand the 10 minute format here. With every other kid show where it is used (Teen Titans Go, Gumball, Dorothy in Oz, etc) you get a beginning, middle and end. It makes for fun and fast storytelling. But here, one episode leads right into the other, making the idea of it only being 10 minutes inconsequential. The end of an episode is the same as a cut to commercial of a 20 minute episode, so why not just do that instead. It just doesn't make you feel satisfied at the end of an episode and you feel like little has happened (similar to my feeling watching the Machinima cartoons).- William-James88

I don't mind the 10 minute format, as both episodes ended in a cliffhanger. Due to this, if every two 10 minute episodes are one, it won't matter, as each episode appears to not have any time progression between each. - notirishman

Splitting the episode up into ten minutes bugged me at first as it followed the trend of all kids' shows at the moment, but I can see reasoning for it from a TV programming point of view as it's easier to slot it in the schedule. It's also practical for fans to catch up quickly on the last episode, like me with my already limited viewing time - ZeroWolf

Again, it's hard to tell from only two episodes. At the very least they seemed to have paced well. And for me personally I'm able to sneak in a 10 minute break easier than a 20-40 minute break. So it has that going for it at least. - Burn

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The big question is though, even if this is not made for us, will we be watching more?

I will be watching more to see the character models and just where they take this. But my expectations are back to being very very low (just above the Machinima stuff). - William-James88

Yes, I will be watching more because while yes, it's kiddish, it is still entertaining, and I am curious how the plot will flesh out and how the characters and their world develop. However, if RID'15 or the Prime Wars Trilogy cartoons taught me anything, I shouldn't keep my hopes up. - notirishman

While I'm still unsure how things will end up, I will be checking more out. I also want to see if they'll dive in and make Bumblebee and Windblade a couple *laughs* - ZeroWolf

Yeah, I mean, I'm a Transformers fan. I sat through the Prime Wars trilogy so I could critique it. It's Transformers media, I watch it good or bad. - Burn

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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby ScottyP » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:07 am

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Watched the first four episodes this morning and quite enjoyed them. Bumblebee is fully embracing his inner Chad. I like the continuity, but agree with Will's point about cutting the episodes up at least for the first two. 3 and 4 are more focused on telling single stories so hopefully we'll see more of that.

Voice wise, I would dislike Grimlock except this is very much "Simon Furman" Grimlock on display. Megatron sounds like a pirate sometimes but after hearing some growling and his laugh I can see why they cast who they did.

I think this is a very fun show that's miles beyond the Machinima series already!
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby WreckerJack » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:01 pm

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I guess I need to wait for it to air on TV. I don't have a smart phone for the app.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:18 pm

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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby bvzxa » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:37 pm

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This show is straight crap. Please stop kissing Hasbro's butt.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby YoungPrime » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:48 pm

bvzxa wrote:This show is straight crap. Please stop kissing Hasbro's butt.


:APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE:

......Sounds about right. I didn't bother with a single commercial of RID let alone an episode but I did watch the trailers of this one with hopes that Hasbro would get a clue but ultimately it's just the same goofy bull.

Yeah, yeah....It's meant for kids but tell the advertisers to stop pandering to adults then with theme's like "Reminds you of the 80's" and other crap to specifically get our attention.

It's nothing like the 80's version, plus the quality of the toys are horrendous. So here's to it crashing an burns in the first season since there's already like 20 silly shows just like it on CN already.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby Burn » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:08 pm

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bvzxa wrote:This show is straight crap. Please stop kissing Hasbro's butt.

How is covering a new Transformers cartoon, on a website dedicated to Transformers, kissing Hasbros butt?

Did you not see the negative comments we made about it?

And for those looking to watch it but can't because you can't access CN, just hit up the Cyberverse cartoon thread, there's links there. I mean come on, I watched it and I'm in Australia, the worlds most geo-blocked predominantly English speaking country! Image

YoungPrime wrote:It's nothing like the 80's version,

It definitely isn't, which is why this baffles me.

william-james88 wrote:I like Hasbro's intentions to finally go all out on G1. They were always dancing around it with Animated and Prime (bringing it a bit closer) but now with this show, it is full on G1. They really commit to it. To the point where it assumes you know G1 and the characters enough character's name brings a history and an importance. It's like this giant G1 sandbox that they are playing with, similar to what the IDW comics were like in that perspective but in a very kid friendly version.


I saw nothing in those two episodes that indicated this was "G1". What I saw was a cartoon that heavily borrowed concepts from the movies more than an 80's cartoon.

The only possible G1-esque concept would be if the Ark crashed on Earth, but so far, from these two episodes, that hasn't happened.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby bvzxa » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:29 pm

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Most of the complaints were about Bumblebee's voice...but the praises were the animation? I mean it looks like bad cheap computer CGI..Im sorry Titan Wars looked better. The last RID looked better. The character models I must admit match the toys molds at least...because of course the toys are just bad.

Its a cheap cartoon cashing in on the 10 minute format. They tried it with the last Justice League show and they wound up airing it before the last RID show. Sorry Hasbro this show is bad as well as the toys. Shame....
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby william-james88 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:32 pm

Burn wrote:
YoungPrime wrote:It's nothing like the 80's version,

It definitely isn't, which is why this baffles me.

william-james88 wrote:I like Hasbro's intentions to finally go all out on G1. They were always dancing around it with Animated and Prime (bringing it a bit closer) but now with this show, it is full on G1. They really commit to it. To the point where it assumes you know G1 and the characters enough character's name brings a history and an importance. It's like this giant G1 sandbox that they are playing with, similar to what the IDW comics were like in that perspective but in a very kid friendly version.


I saw nothing in those two episodes that indicated this was "G1". What I saw was a cartoon that heavily borrowed concepts from the movies more than an 80's cartoon.

The only possible G1-esque concept would be if the Ark crashed on Earth, but so far, from these two episodes, that hasn't happened.


I am not talking about G1 storylines per say, just G1 in general, including designs. Like who is optimus, Bumblebee, seekers (and the idea that they are all redecos), the ark, thundercracker, starscream. I thought I made that clear when I was speaking of the sandbox idea. It borrows as much from G1 as IDW. The only thing I found from the movies was the Bumblebee voice box and his alt mode, which is much less to me by comparison.

And Wreckerjack, I sent a link to both episodes in the e-mail thread regarding this round table review.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby Burn » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:33 pm

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bvzxa wrote:but the praises were the animation? I mean it looks like bad cheap computer CGI.

And I won't disagree with you on this. Like I said, it wasn't as bad as I expected.

It's not exactly fantastic either.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby william-james88 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:45 pm

Burn wrote:
bvzxa wrote:but the praises were the animation? I mean it looks like bad cheap computer CGI.

And I won't disagree with you on this. Like I said, it wasn't as bad as I expected.

It's not exactly fantastic either.


I didnt think it was amazing either. This was my full list of complaints which I edited out:

While the designs are great, I am not too fond of how everything is portrayed. I felt the previous cartoon, RID, did a great job with its cell shading and merger of 2D and 3D. Here, it feels a bit more off. Bumblebee in car mode looks perfectly fine but then you get to Thundercracker's face and it looks like something out of reboot. Plus, its so frustrating to see a great bumblebee design where you ca see where all the alt mode bits go and yet not have a toy of that.


Also, to the comment regarding the models looking like the toys, I disagree. I wish the toys looked like these animation models, that would be great.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby Ultra Markus » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:36 pm

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WreckerJack wrote:I guess I need to wait for it to air on TV. I don't have a smart phone for the app.

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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby Ultra Markus » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:43 pm

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my only complaint on the show is it needs some dark mystery :-?
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby william-james88 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:47 pm

Ultra Markus wrote:my only complaint on the show is it needs some dark mystery :-?

Isnt it all about the mystery behind what has happened to bee?

Also, why in the world is Cartoon network further splitting episodes into 5 min episodes on their site? They are calling each a full episode turning the first 2 into literally 4 episodes.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby Ultra Markus » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:36 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:my only complaint on the show is it needs some dark mystery :-?

Isnt it all about the mystery behind what has happened to bee?

Also, why in the world is Cartoon network further splitting episodes into 5 min episodes on their site? They are calling each a full episode turning the first 2 into literally 4 episodes.

i was thinking somthing more sinister like in G1 with the quintessons and unicron
maybe they could go in a similar direction in addition to bees memory loss
as for the 5min episodes i hope that doesnt kill the show, the way it looks right now i think it has a lot of potential to be a long running series
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:49 am

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They should only add a 'dark' element if it adds to the story, not tell of because they feel they have to. That being said, I would be surprised if unicron wasn't at least referenced in the series somewhere :) as for qunits, I was never a fan of them so they can just disappear :-P :lol:

As for cn's bizarre approach of splitting the episodes further, that is strange :-? Unless it's a hint at what they plan on doing with the show later on and placing this mini-episodes after another show has finished.
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Re: Round Table Review of First 2 Episodes of Transformers Cyberverse 2018

Postby ScottyP » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:54 am

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YoungPrime wrote:I didn't bother with a single commercial of RID let alone an episode but I did watch the trailers of this one with hopes that Hasbro would get a clue but ultimately it's just the same goofy bull.
If you didn't watch RiD then using it to draw a comparison with Cyberverse is a low-grade opinion that I do not take seriously.
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