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softimus_prime wrote:this thread sure is like an energizer battery... keeps going, going, going, going.....

It is like politics and religion, everyone has opinions and things always end up becoming a brawl.


Please let's remember to

PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL..

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

It's not right to threaten.. That is absolute crap.
I can see disagreeing but making threats is completely uncalled for.

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

Yeah, sorry to hear that. No one should be threatening you- thats just not right, especially if they are basing their issues with you off morality. Then again look how many people are killed in wars over some not-so important things. I hope they arent purposely ruining your auctions. On that note, I think this thread should be closed and possibly deleted, but its up to the mods.

Autobot032 wrote:

Dagon wrote:Truly, truly truly outrageous??

JEM'D

P.S. I couldn't resist. It was a lighthearted line and I went for it.

Yeah, well, that was exactly what I was going for. Glad someone got the Jem reference.

This is another great example of how generally unsatisfy-able we are as a fanbase. For months and months everything was about how the movie designs suck, and now it's all a-clamor because we can't find enough movie figures in stores because someone else is buying them and then selling us the figures we cried for months about how we hated. If Michael Bay raped my childhood, or even the memories of my childhood, that would be immoral. But he didn't.

I 100% agree with this whole section right here.[/quote]

Wow, someone else quoted me as a bastian of truth and wisdom. Take that Counterpunch, I'm catchin' up to you now!

whenever i heard about this things about scalpers or what ever they really want to call them i usually get mad BUT i am not insaaaaaaaane enough to threat someone's life no way jose im a peaceful person...

Xgamer wrote:

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

Yeah, sorry to hear that. No one should be threatening you- thats just not right, especially if they are basing their issues with you off morality. Then again look how many people are killed in wars over some not-so important things. I hope they arent purposely ruining your auctions. On that note, I think this thread should be closed and possibly deleted, but its up to the mods.

I haven't had too many ppl messing with my auctions but I did have another guy try and do a local pick up from me. The same guy posted on another tf forum saying that he wanted to "beat the living sh*t" out of me. I couldn't help but get a little nervous from that.

Lapse Of Reason wrote:I approve the buying and selling of Transformers. Locating a hard-to-find figure is a thrill. Getting a good deal is a thrill. So is making a profit.


I also respect the opinions of others, even if I disagree. I wish more of the others here would offer the same courtesy.


I feel that some members here are standing too high on their moral pedestal. You don't like what people do, fine. Say so and agree to disagree. One's morals are contradicted, however, if one resorts to using deragatory remarks and insults.



One more point, a sort of gray area to consider. If a collector buys a figure and maybe even keeps it MISB under the rationale it will be more valuable later, isn't that person also fitting the so called "scalper" profile if he or she eventualy does sell it years later? After all, they might make a profit.

For those morally against scalping, I'd love a chance to buy some of your vintage MISB figures if you ever plan to sell them. Of course, I'd expect you to sell them at the original MSRP plus shipping. What are the chances of that happening?




Finally, a short lesson. Economics in a nutshell:
Unwanted goods and services are reduced in price until the goods or service is phased out.

Goods and services under high demand will fetch a higher price. If the regular supply channel is ineffective, a black market will evolve.

If money is not actively moving through an economic system, it will stagnate and eventualy crash.

The goods could be cars, diamonds, oranges, or Transformers. The same above principles will apply. We are merely in a high-demand, black market situation right now.

Such clarity brings a tear to my eye.

Seibertron wrote:Why is that bad? You could've called your local Target as well to find out what they had in stock. Those of you who just randomly hunt stores without a battle plan in place are just wasting your time. Be proactive. Find out the SKU #s, the DCPI #s, etc. Call the stores ahead of time with that information.

Watch the toy reports on sites such as Seibertron or TFW to see when figures start showing up in stores. If there's a news post on Seibertron tomorrow that says Movie So-and-so has been sighted, don't wait until next Wednesday to go looking for that figure. Figure out how you're going to obtain it tomorrow. If you wait until your next paycheck in 5 to 10 days, I can guarantee that that brand spanking new figure will be long gone already.

Remember, every time you point a finger to blame someone else (i.e. the scalpers in this case), just remember that there are three fingers pointing back at you. Take responsibility for figuring out how to obtain new figures. It's not rocket science.

Please top blaming the so-called "Scalpers". They're just doing it the smart way.

True that Seibertron... Couldn't be said any better!!! I am willing to trade for stuff but no one seeems intersted....

Thanks for the link xgamer.

Sh!t, were never gonna see the end to this debate. It just goes in circles.

Toyotus Superion wrote:Thanks for the link xgamer.

Sh!t, were never gonna see the end to this debate. It just goes in circles.

you said it pal...

Toyotus Superion wrote:Thanks for the link xgamer.

Sh!t, were never gonna see the end to this debate. It just goes in circles.

I forgot how many types of trolls there were...wow. While, it is nice to know where people stand, so I am more careful not to be so offensive- it doesnt mean I wont help out fellow members b/c they how different views than I do. I think that is what Seibs has been trying to say. By the way, I confirmed that the ebayer in question is the actual ebayer now posting on here using my ebay messaging. I wish you luck on your endeavors and hope that the threats end.

Seibertron wrote:

upther wrote:Why? Why is it immoral? To me you can only play the morality card if there is a clear right and wrong. Cheating on your signifigant other is immoral. Rape is immoral. Groping little kid heinys is immoral. Curb stomping a dog because he doesn't fight is immoral. There are clear lines between right and wrong there. The same cannot be said about selling Transformers for profit. There is way too much grey area there. I can understand people not agreeing with the practice but the constant "it's immoral' cries befuddle me.

Here's a follow up question, if I sold a bunch of new Transformers on e-bay for a high profit, but gave a nice percentage of the money to charity, wouldn't that be better than not having bought those extra figures to sell?

Xgamer wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:Thanks for the link xgamer.

Sh!t, were never gonna see the end to this debate. It just goes in circles.

I forgot how many types of trolls there were...wow. While, it is nice to know where people stand, so I am more careful not to be so offensive- it doesnt mean I wont help out fellow members b/c they how different views than I do. I think that is what Seibs has been trying to say.

I think it's time we all put down our weapons, put away our retractable cannons and call it a truce eh?

As much as I feel scalping is wrong, there doesnt seem to be a clear cut answer or clear cut way of justifying either view. Maybe we're all right.

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

you do not deserve the threats of bodily harm from the people in this forum. for that, i guess (even though i took no part in the threat-mongering against ya) the whole community owes you an apology for this.

if you want the whole explanation on why the people in this forum are acting like this, please take time to read the whole 20+ (man, going on 30!) thread. it seems that you have fallen into a category of people that collectors call a scalper.

you have a good argument in your statement that it puzzles you on why people keep questioning the morality of what you have done (buying a lot of the same TFs and MARKING IT UP), but the same is not applied when people make threats against you. this is an online forum and people are entitled to their opinions.

for this, i suggest you explain to the us here how did you acquire 18 redeco-jazz TFs, at what price did you get them, from what source, etc. just a suggestion, if you ever really feel the need to clear yourself up and to stop these threats against you.

EDIT: though i still remain firm on my stand against scalpers and scalping in particular.

zemper wrote:

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

you do not deserve the threats of bodily harm from the people in this forum. for that, i guess (even though i took no part in the threat-mongering against ya) the whole community owes you an apology for this.

if you want the whole explanation on why the people in this forum are acting like this, please take time to read the whole 20+ (man, going on 30!) thread. it seems that you have fallen into a category of people that collectors call a scalper.

you have a good argument in your statement that it puzzles you on why people keep questioning the morality of what you have done (buying a lot of the same TFs and MARKING IT UP), but the same is not applied when people make threats against you. this is an online forum and people are entitled to their opinions.

for this, i suggest you explain to the us here how did you acquire 18 redeco-jazz TFs, at what price did you get them, from what source, etc. just a suggestion, if you ever really feel the need to clear yourself up and to stop these threats against you.

EDIT: though i still remain firm on my stand against scalpers and scalping in particular.

I'm with you on this one Zemper........maybe the scalper himself would like to explain how he "came across" an entire case at Target.

Toyotus Superion wrote:
I'm with you on this one Zemper........maybe the scalper himself would like to explain how he "came across" an entire case at Target.

I personally would love to hear the story, but calling someone scalper is not the way to persuade them to do something like that. It is ultimately up to him if he wants to share. The threats should end though, regardless.

What kind of sick bastared would walk into a store, see five ‘08 Bumblebees, bye them all, and sell them for $100 each? We would all be swimming in Transformers if it weren’t for SOB’s like that.
And no, I have NEVER done this. The only time I bye a duplicate of a Transformer is when the original broke.

Xgamer wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:
I'm with you on this one Zemper........maybe the scalper himself would like to explain how he "came across" an entire case at Target.

I personally would love to hear the story, but calling someone scalper is not the way to persuade them to do something like that. It is ultimately up to him if he wants to share. The threats should end though, regardless.

I went to target one morning at 8a.m. I went to guest services and asked them to do a location search on the G1 Jazz DCPI. They told me that they had 16 in stock. I asked them for 4. I was buying one for my husband whom collects, 2 for my 8 and 10 yr old boys whom also collect and one for my 4 year old to open and share with his brothers for playing. As I was paying for them a comic book store owner was there and bought the rest and bragged that he was going to sell them for 50 bucks a pop. This personally pissed me off, so I went to several different target and did the same thing, so I could give collecters or parents a chance to get them. For the G1 Jazz, ebay and paypal fees amount to about 5-6 dollars. After tax and those fees it costs 16-17 bucks for me to sell. I ship ups ground and it costs anywhere between 8-14 dollars to ship depending if they live in a rural area. Charging 8-9 buck for S/H and starting the bidding at 18 bucks, I am selling these at cost. If the bidding goes higher which it hasn't gotten that high, I might make a couple of bucks off of it. If you look at my ebay rating you will notice that since 2002 I have only sold 20 something items. I'm not a "scalper". I know how frustrating it is to not be able to get your hands on a hard to find toy. I have 4 sons and a husband whom all love transformers and star wars. I have been in the position where I have gotten two of a certain figure, for instance the star wars commander cody. Two of my sons wanted it, to play not even collect, there was a mother with her son that saw i had them, asked me if they had anymore, I handed her one of mine without even batting an eye. So I do understand how you feel, I just think some people should get all the facts before they judge.

Whiner-tron wrote:What kind of sick bastared would walk into a store, see five ‘08 Bumblebees, bye them all, and sell them for $100 each? We would all be swimming in Transformers if it weren’t for SOB’s like that.
And no, I have NEVER done this. The only time I bye a duplicate of a Transformer is when the original broke.

If you are refering to me, those were ultimate bumblebees and they cost me $87.50 including tax, cost 10 bucks to list and shipping I took a major loss. I really didn't make much off the top there.

vpvpvpphil wrote:I went to target one morning at 8a.m. I went to guest services and asked them to do a location search on the G1 Jazz DCPI. They told me that they had 16 in stock. I asked them for 4. I was buying one for my husband whom collects, 2 for my 8 and 10 yr old boys whom also collect and one for my 4 year old to open and share with his brothers for playing. As I was paying for them a comic book store owner was there and bought the rest and bragged that he was going to sell them for 50 bucks a pop. This personally pissed me off, so I went to several different target and did the same thing, so I could give collecters or parents a chance to get them. For the G1 Jazz, ebay and paypal fees amount to about 5-6 dollars. After tax and those fees it costs 16-17 bucks for me to sell. I ship ups ground and it costs anywhere between 8-14 dollars to ship depending if they live in a rural area. Charging 8-9 buck for S/H and starting the bidding at 18 bucks, I am selling these at cost. If the bidding goes higher which it hasn't gotten that high, I might make a couple of bucks off of it. If you look at my ebay rating you will notice that since 2002 I have only sold 20 something items. I'm not a "scalper". I know how frustrating it is to not be able to get your hands on a hard to find toy. I have 4 sons and a husband whom all love transformers and star wars. I have been in the position where I have gotten two of a certain figure, for instance the star wars commander cody. Two of my sons wanted it, to play not even collect, there was a mother with her son that saw i had them, asked me if they had anymore, I handed her one of mine without even batting an eye. So I do understand how you feel, I just think some people should get all the facts before they judge.

...ehhh nevermind.

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=75693

Apparently we're not the only board dealing with scalpers? Hmm. Isn't that something?

Although they were a tad smarter...they closed their thread.

Funny how you keep mentioning that, but keep posting your novel-like replies. Just an observation.

And you've yet to post anything of importance, just a barrage of these needless, finger pointing quips that don't actually do anything for the conversation and adds fuel to the fire. You poke and prod and expect people to just sit there and take it.

You're a shining example of a troll, your posts aren't necessary. (When you finally figure out how to actually add to the thread, drop us a line.)

Since you're unwilling, there's the door.

I did add something to the thread, but because you view it as conflicting with your own view; it is not important to you- why dont you go back and read them (although with all these posts its easy to miss anyone's). When you finally learn how to not post such lengthy non-sense maybe I will care. Now if you are angry, oh well, like I said. It works both ways, since I dont feel your posts are necessary, b/c you say the same things over and over and over. Ooh...theres the door??? you really told me- so much for people and their so called morals. I am by no means a troll- I persistently post item availability to help out other members- you post moral nonsense. Its fine if people agree with your views, but not everybody does or even cares.

Give it up Autobot032, there is no winning in this. And what's a troll, as used above?

Oh, you're right. Believe me. I realize there's no end in sight, it's just going to go 'round and 'round and 'round.

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

1.) No one should threaten violence and mean it. (I'll give you that one)
2.) Most of the comments you see are out of anger, but in all actuality aren't real, and won't happen.

It's not okay (morally, or in general) to threaten violence against you or anyone else.

Toyotus Superion wrote:Thanks for the link xgamer.

Sh!t, were never gonna see the end to this debate. It just goes in circles.

Yet again, we're in full agreement.

vpvpvpphil wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:
I'm with you on this one Zemper........maybe the scalper himself would like to explain how he "came across" an entire case at Target.

I personally would love to hear the story, but calling someone scalper is not the way to persuade them to do something like that. It is ultimately up to him if he wants to share. The threats should end though, regardless.

I went to target one morning at 8a.m. I went to guest services and asked them to do a location search on the G1 Jazz DCPI. They told me that they had 16 in stock. I asked them for 4. I was buying one for my husband whom collects, 2 for my 8 and 10 yr old boys whom also collect and one for my 4 year old to open and share with his brothers for playing. As I was paying for them a comic book store owner was there and bought the rest and bragged that he was going to sell them for 50 bucks a pop. This personally pissed me off, so I went to several different target and did the same thing, so I could give collecters or parents a chance to get them. For the G1 Jazz, ebay and paypal fees amount to about 5-6 dollars. After tax and those fees it costs 16-17 bucks for me to sell. I ship ups ground and it costs anywhere between 8-14 dollars to ship depending if they live in a rural area. Charging 8-9 buck for S/H and starting the bidding at 18 bucks, I am selling these at cost. If the bidding goes higher which it hasn't gotten that high, I might make a couple of bucks off of it. If you look at my ebay rating you will notice that since 2002 I have only sold 20 something items. I'm not a "scalper". I know how frustrating it is to not be able to get your hands on a hard to find toy. I have 4 sons and a husband whom all love transformers and star wars. I have been in the position where I have gotten two of a certain figure, for instance the star wars commander cody. Two of my sons wanted it, to play not even collect, there was a mother with her son that saw i had them, asked me if they had anymore, I handed her one of mine without even batting an eye. So I do understand how you feel, I just think some people should get all the facts before they judge.

Well, that's nice and all, but we won't know all of the facts until you yourself come out and say "Here's the deal." Without knowing more behind the scenes, of course we were able to comment, come up with ideas and build upon them.

Still...I'm not entirely sure the story is the whole truth. Oh of course it's possible that you're telling the truth here (I'm not calling you a liar, I'm explaining our side of it) but here's the deal...you obviously have kept up with this thread and read it (all the threatening posts, etc) and watched it build. You had plenty of chances to post and say "Here's the deal folks, this is what happened..." but you didn't. You sat here and watched the hornet's nest stir. Hell, for all we know...you could've been crafting your response using the ideas of the other posters so you wouldn't be lynched. Here's the problem....no one's going to lynch you, not literally.

I don't exactly find the whole story kosher, but if you are telling the complete truth, I'm sorry for not believing you initially.

And I know, you're going to say that you don't owe any of us an explanation (and you're right) and all that. And that you did it just to shut people up and clear it all up for us.

Well then, if that's the case, you shouldn't have posted at all, you should've quietly sat off to the side and watched us go at it like crazy. Now we have this aspect to bicker over, on top of everything else. (And yes, we'll bicker. That's what we do.) Your explanation won't stop the issue from being commented on, etc etc.

You're right Toyotus. I'm forming a scab from the bloody gash on my forehead from slamming my head against a brick wall for the past 18+ hours.

Autobot032 wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=75693

Apparently we're not the only board dealing with scalpers? Hmm. Isn't that something?

Although they were a tad smarter...they closed their thread.

Funny how you keep mentioning that, but keep posting your novel-like replies. Just an observation.

And you've yet to post anything of importance, just a barrage of these needless, finger pointing quips that don't actually do anything for the conversation and adds fuel to the fire. You poke and prod and expect people to just sit there and take it.

You're a shining example of a troll, your posts aren't necessary. (When you finally figure out how to actually add to the thread, drop us a line.)

Since you're unwilling, there's the door.

I did add something to the thread, but because you view it as conflicting with your own view; it is not important to you- why dont you go back and read them (although with all these posts its easy to miss anyone's). When you finally learn how to not post such lengthy non-sense maybe I will care. Now if you are angry, oh well, like I said. It works both ways, since I dont feel your posts are necessary, b/c you say the same things over and over and over. Ooh...theres the door??? you really told me- so much for people and their so called morals. I am by no means a troll- I persistently post item availability to help out other members- you post moral nonsense. Its fine if people agree with your views, but not everybody does or even cares.

Give it up Autobot032, there is no winning in this. And what's a troll, as used above?

Oh, you're right. Believe me. I realize there's no end in sight, it's just going to go 'round and 'round and 'round.

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

1.) No one should threaten violence and mean it. (I'll give you that one)
2.) Most of the comments you see are out of anger, but in all actuality aren't real, and won't happen.

It's not okay (morally, or in general) to threaten violence against you or anyone else.

Toyotus Superion wrote:Thanks for the link xgamer.

Sh!t, were never gonna see the end to this debate. It just goes in circles.

Yet again, we're in full agreement.

vpvpvpphil wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:
I'm with you on this one Zemper........maybe the scalper himself would like to explain how he "came across" an entire case at Target.

I personally would love to hear the story, but calling someone scalper is not the way to persuade them to do something like that. It is ultimately up to him if he wants to share. The threats should end though, regardless.

I went to target one morning at 8a.m. I went to guest services and asked them to do a location search on the G1 Jazz DCPI. They told me that they had 16 in stock. I asked them for 4. I was buying one for my husband whom collects, 2 for my 8 and 10 yr old boys whom also collect and one for my 4 year old to open and share with his brothers for playing. As I was paying for them a comic book store owner was there and bought the rest and bragged that he was going to sell them for 50 bucks a pop. This personally pissed me off, so I went to several different target and did the same thing, so I could give collecters or parents a chance to get them. For the G1 Jazz, ebay and paypal fees amount to about 5-6 dollars. After tax and those fees it costs 16-17 bucks for me to sell. I ship ups ground and it costs anywhere between 8-14 dollars to ship depending if they live in a rural area. Charging 8-9 buck for S/H and starting the bidding at 18 bucks, I am selling these at cost. If the bidding goes higher which it hasn't gotten that high, I might make a couple of bucks off of it. If you look at my ebay rating you will notice that since 2002 I have only sold 20 something items. I'm not a "scalper". I know how frustrating it is to not be able to get your hands on a hard to find toy. I have 4 sons and a husband whom all love transformers and star wars. I have been in the position where I have gotten two of a certain figure, for instance the star wars commander cody. Two of my sons wanted it, to play not even collect, there was a mother with her son that saw i had them, asked me if they had anymore, I handed her one of mine without even batting an eye. So I do understand how you feel, I just think some people should get all the facts before they judge.

Well, that's nice and all, but we won't know all of the facts until you yourself come out and say "Here's the deal." Without knowing more behind the scenes, of course we were able to comment, come up with ideas and build upon them.

Still...I'm not entirely sure the story is the whole truth. Oh of course it's possible that you're telling the truth here (I'm not calling you a liar, I'm explaining our side of it) but here's the deal...you obviously have kept up with this thread and read it (all the threatening posts, etc) and watched it build. You had plenty of chances to post and say "Here's the deal folks, this is what happened..." but you didn't. You sat here and watched the hornet's nest stir. Hell, for all we know...you could've been crafting your response using the ideas of the other posters so you wouldn't be lynched. Here's the problem....no one's going to lynch you, not literally.

I don't exactly find the whole story kosher, but if you are telling the complete truth, I'm sorry for not believing you initially.

And I know, you're going to say that you don't owe any of us an explanation (and you're right) and all that. And that you did it just to shut people up and clear it all up for us.

Well then, if that's the case, you shouldn't have posted at all, you should've quietly sat off to the side and watched us go at it like crazy. Now we have this aspect to bicker over, on top of everything else. (And yes, we'll bicker. That's what we do.) Your explanation won't stop the issue from being commented on, etc etc.

You're right Toyotus. I'm forming a scab from the bloody gash on my forehead from slamming my head against a brick wall for the past 18+ hours.

I didn't see this thread until late last night. I don't really go on forums unless I'm looking for a DCPI. I found this thread after trying to figure out why my auction got over 1000 hits. I had an extreamly crazy day today, I live near Chicago and though my house is fine I have alot of family affected by the floods.
I know this wont end the argument, but I thought I might defend myself a little

vpvpvpphil wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=75693

Apparently we're not the only board dealing with scalpers? Hmm. Isn't that something?

Although they were a tad smarter...they closed their thread.

Funny how you keep mentioning that, but keep posting your novel-like replies. Just an observation.

And you've yet to post anything of importance, just a barrage of these needless, finger pointing quips that don't actually do anything for the conversation and adds fuel to the fire. You poke and prod and expect people to just sit there and take it.

You're a shining example of a troll, your posts aren't necessary. (When you finally figure out how to actually add to the thread, drop us a line.)

Since you're unwilling, there's the door.

I did add something to the thread, but because you view it as conflicting with your own view; it is not important to you- why dont you go back and read them (although with all these posts its easy to miss anyone's). When you finally learn how to not post such lengthy non-sense maybe I will care. Now if you are angry, oh well, like I said. It works both ways, since I dont feel your posts are necessary, b/c you say the same things over and over and over. Ooh...theres the door??? you really told me- so much for people and their so called morals. I am by no means a troll- I persistently post item availability to help out other members- you post moral nonsense. Its fine if people agree with your views, but not everybody does or even cares.

Give it up Autobot032, there is no winning in this. And what's a troll, as used above?

Oh, you're right. Believe me. I realize there's no end in sight, it's just going to go 'round and 'round and 'round.

vpvpvpphil wrote:I have a real quick but silly question here. I'm the ebay seller from the original post in this thread. I've been reading alot of people saying that I am immoral, but at the same time there are people in this thread and on other tf boards making threats of violence against me. Now I do understand they are most likely joking, but the fact remains the same, people are saying that they should beat me up and what not. I simply bought some toys at a couple of targets and sold most of them on ebay. Why is it so morally wrong for me to do that but it's okay for someone to threaten me with bodily harm (whether they are serious or not) over a ten dollar toy?

1.) No one should threaten violence and mean it. (I'll give you that one)
2.) Most of the comments you see are out of anger, but in all actuality aren't real, and won't happen.

It's not okay (morally, or in general) to threaten violence against you or anyone else.

Toyotus Superion wrote:Thanks for the link xgamer.

Sh!t, were never gonna see the end to this debate. It just goes in circles.

Yet again, we're in full agreement.

vpvpvpphil wrote:

Xgamer wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:
I'm with you on this one Zemper........maybe the scalper himself would like to explain how he "came across" an entire case at Target.

I personally would love to hear the story, but calling someone scalper is not the way to persuade them to do something like that. It is ultimately up to him if he wants to share. The threats should end though, regardless.

I went to target one morning at 8a.m. I went to guest services and asked them to do a location search on the G1 Jazz DCPI. They told me that they had 16 in stock. I asked them for 4. I was buying one for my husband whom collects, 2 for my 8 and 10 yr old boys whom also collect and one for my 4 year old to open and share with his brothers for playing. As I was paying for them a comic book store owner was there and bought the rest and bragged that he was going to sell them for 50 bucks a pop. This personally pissed me off, so I went to several different target and did the same thing, so I could give collecters or parents a chance to get them. For the G1 Jazz, ebay and paypal fees amount to about 5-6 dollars. After tax and those fees it costs 16-17 bucks for me to sell. I ship ups ground and it costs anywhere between 8-14 dollars to ship depending if they live in a rural area. Charging 8-9 buck for S/H and starting the bidding at 18 bucks, I am selling these at cost. If the bidding goes higher which it hasn't gotten that high, I might make a couple of bucks off of it. If you look at my ebay rating you will notice that since 2002 I have only sold 20 something items. I'm not a "scalper". I know how frustrating it is to not be able to get your hands on a hard to find toy. I have 4 sons and a husband whom all love transformers and star wars. I have been in the position where I have gotten two of a certain figure, for instance the star wars commander cody. Two of my sons wanted it, to play not even collect, there was a mother with her son that saw i had them, asked me if they had anymore, I handed her one of mine without even batting an eye. So I do understand how you feel, I just think some people should get all the facts before they judge.

Well, that's nice and all, but we won't know all of the facts until you yourself come out and say "Here's the deal." Without knowing more behind the scenes, of course we were able to comment, come up with ideas and build upon them.

Still...I'm not entirely sure the story is the whole truth. Oh of course it's possible that you're telling the truth here (I'm not calling you a liar, I'm explaining our side of it) but here's the deal...you obviously have kept up with this thread and read it (all the threatening posts, etc) and watched it build. You had plenty of chances to post and say "Here's the deal folks, this is what happened..." but you didn't. You sat here and watched the hornet's nest stir. Hell, for all we know...you could've been crafting your response using the ideas of the other posters so you wouldn't be lynched. Here's the problem....no one's going to lynch you, not literally.

I don't exactly find the whole story kosher, but if you are telling the complete truth, I'm sorry for not believing you initially.

And I know, you're going to say that you don't owe any of us an explanation (and you're right) and all that. And that you did it just to shut people up and clear it all up for us.

Well then, if that's the case, you shouldn't have posted at all, you should've quietly sat off to the side and watched us go at it like crazy. Now we have this aspect to bicker over, on top of everything else. (And yes, we'll bicker. That's what we do.) Your explanation won't stop the issue from being commented on, etc etc.

You're right Toyotus. I'm forming a scab from the bloody gash on my forehead from slamming my head against a brick wall for the past 18+ hours.

I didn't see this thread until late last night. I don't really go on forums unless I'm looking for a DCPI. I found this thread after trying to figure out why my auction got over 1000 hits. I had an extreamly crazy day today, I live near Chicago and though my house is fine I have alot of family affected by the floods.
I know this wont end the argument, but I thought I might defend myself a little

And you have every right to defend yourself. I'm sorry to hear about your family, I hope they'll be alright.

I dont know......this story sounds a bit......stretched......
What mother knows about DPCI's? And visits forums? I'm not buying it. You've had so many opportunities to end this pointless bickering.......and now you step in? And all you've done is thrown chum into the water.

Toyotus Superion wrote:I dont know......this story sounds a bit......stretched......
What mother knows about DPCI's? And visits forums? I'm not buying it. You've had so many opportunities to end this pointless bickering.......and now you step in? And all you've done is thrown chum into the water.

Either way I have a friend that is a hardcore ebayer, and he donates alot of the money to charity, such as research of autism- even runs some local group for it. He has 50 wiis sitting in his garage- I think he has to sell something like 25 to make a decent profit. He also has tons of optimus thanks to Costco- I would say...80- not sure on the exact number. He also has a real job, and I dont think any less of him for selling wiis and movie toys, b/c he has his own reasons that are quite valid, and so far he has told me that buyers send him thank you notes b/c he does such a good job. Sometimes if I cant find something- he will offer it to me no strings attached- but usually the "seeker" in me wont allow me to take it- I eventually get it on my own.

Toyotus Superion wrote:I dont know......this story sounds a bit......stretched......
What mother knows about DPCI's? And visits forums? I'm not buying it. You've had so many opportunities to end this pointless bickering.......and now you step in? And all you've done is thrown chum into the water.

Sorry I forgot, once you push a baby out of you hooha, you no longer have an IQ! How could I possibly visit a forum or figure out how a store finds out if they have an item in stock!