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Postby Xgamer » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:53 pm

Autobot032 wrote:

Packing materials (Packaging, box, tape, warning labels, etc)
Around $5.00 per shipped item (give or take, because some of those materials will have enough left over for other shipments)



Thats a big overestimation- you order large qtys of boxes and packing materials from places such as uline.com to reduce it down to $1-2 per item. Basically a couple sales pay for all your packaging.


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Importer: Providing a real service. Prices are high, but necessary. A reverse opportunist (I.E. Giving you the opportunity, and shouldering some of the responsibility of costs as well as the customer.)

Collector: Helping one or two friends, still not providing a service exactly. (No one really asked them to, they took it upon themselves to do it. So if it ends up costing them money, it's on their shoulders.) Prices are higher than retail, but not outrageous. (Though, if possible, they probably should just leave the rest of the figures for others to get. Unless specifically asked to grab some for a person.) Those buying the item with the intention of selling off (without being asked to) could be seen as an opportunist. Doesn't guarantee that the collector is a bad person though.

Scalper: Doesn't provide a service at all. Provides a product for way more than it's worth, or even humanly decent to charge. Prices are astronomical, and after removing the shipping cost and the cost of the item itself, a huge profit with nothing to worry about (like bills or employees) Is an opportunist, and exploits others to make money for little to no work.


So essentially it is okay to make a profit, but as long as you provide a service? kinda what so called scalpers do

Importers dont need employees or warehouses- trust me- I know a few very motivated individuals who do $100k in sales a month- with 15-25% being profit depending on month. They do it smarter, but as with ebayers they take a risk that it might not sell. Importers do not have to run around to every target, but rely more on communication than normal people- so its work, but very different. I will say this- I have recently probably purchased 2 TFs in-store and the rest (way more than just 2) were online or through yahoo/ebay auctions- not hard work; which makes me ask my next question- if someone buys out stock online of a certain item and resells it- are they a scalper? Even more complex than that- a smart ebayer with a large pocket could buy out all the auctions of a rare item and control most of the market- charging whatever they feel.
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Postby nick3425 » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:09 pm

That Guy Is A A$$hole.Same some figures for other People. :-x
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Postby jorod74 » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:29 pm

I have hated scalpers since the early 90s when i first started collecting Spawn (gasp) then discovered G1 TFs could be found.
i have seen people damage packaging on merchandise after grabbing themselves one or two for themselves, seen people wipe out an entire rack of items *bought em all* and it just sucks.
the only time i cleaned a rack, i bought 1, 1, just one of each item (and it was all star wars figs for my best bud) and while the clerk was still opening cases next to me.
hate people who make their money by depriving people a shot at getting fair market prices for something and then we have to beg not to be bent over and penetrated. 15 bucks for a 5 dollar fig that was on the same shelf i stared at 2 days ago isn't right.
hate them.
like i am about to choke down and spend 100 bucks on Primus because i couldn't find one in 5 cities in alabama that didn't look like the samsonite gorilla humped it....
ugh.
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Postby Seibertron » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:37 pm

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Caelus wrote:It occurs to me that this ethical conflict is not unlike the issue of whether using steroids is ethical in sports, card-counting is ethical in gambling, and using dynamite and a backhoe is ethical in fishing


Seriously? This is about as far from those things as I can imagine. There's nothing unethical about this at all. Some of you need to really get your priorities straight about things that are unethical or immoral, or at least make sure you truly understand the definitions of those words when applying it to this situation. Buying a case of figures and reselling it on eBay is neither of those things.

Now, if you want to say that that behavior is not the wisest decision or is not FAIR (which I think is what most of you have an issue with), that's fine. You're more than entitled to your opinion. But to say that this is somehow immoral or unethical is just unbelievable to me.

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Postby Xgamer » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:38 pm

jorod74 wrote:like i am about to choke down and spend 100 bucks on Primus because i couldn't find one in 5 cities in alabama that didn't look like the samsonite gorilla humped it....
ugh.
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Postby Seibertron » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:45 pm

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How 'honorable'. of you. First of all, I'd love to know where there are 26 Target stores in one area. That in itself is a laughable idea.



There are almost 40 stores within a 40 mile radius of me ... and considering that I live in Chicago and the other half of that radius is all water (Lake Michigan), that should give you a pretty good idea of how dense all of these Targets are from one another.

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Chicago South Loop Target 1154 S Clark St Chicago, Illinois 60605 US (312) 212-6300 2 mi (3 km)
Greatland Target 2656 N Elston Ave Chicago, Illinois 60647 US (773) 252-1994 5 mi (7 km)
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Target 2460 W George St Chicago, Illinois 60618 US (773) 267-6141 6 mi (9 km)
Peterson Ave Target 2112 W Peterson Ave Chicago, Illinois 60659 US (773) 761-3001 9 mi (14 km)
Target 2209 Howard St Evanston, Illinois 60202 US (847) 733-1144 11 mi (18 km)
Melrose Park Target 850 W North Ave Melrose Park, Illinois 60160 US (708) 338-2784 11 mi (18 km)
Target 9250 Joliet Rd La Grange, Illinois 60525 US (708) 387-2361 14 mi (22 km)
Target 700 N Mannheim Rd Des Plaines, Illinois 60018 US (847) 795-1878 16 mi (26 km)
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Postby Bumblebee4ever » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:47 pm

I for one am VERY frustrated. I read the announcement weeks ago that the new line of Transformers Movie figures are out. I have been to ToysRus and Target stores all over Phoenix Arizona and not one figure that I am looking for. I have been blaming retailers and getting pretty damn irritated. I didn't think that it could have been scalpers causing all this. I still think retailers are largely to blame. I can't figure out why they cannot stock more of these items. I have only seen very few and all I want is the new concept Camaro version of Bumblebee but without being gouged. Is that too much to ask? I may start calling around but I think it sucks to have to resort to that. I haven't seen a ToysRus stock any of these items and only a few at Target. What is going on here!?! If anything I may call up these stores to complain.
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Postby Dr. Caelus » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:29 pm

Seibertron wrote:
Caelus wrote:It occurs to me that this ethical conflict is not unlike the issue of whether using steroids is ethical in sports, card-counting is ethical in gambling, and using dynamite and a backhoe is ethical in fishing


Seriously? This is about as far from those things as I can imagine.


Actually, let me elucidate my point a bit more:

Why are those things considered unethical?

Disregarding the response 'because they are illegal', which is circular reasoning, I think you will find that most people will cite the same reasons as have been sited here - they give an unfair advantage that 'ruins' the 'game' for the other players.

As far as I'm concerned, these people, though not breaking the law and not committing cardinal sins, are still leaches on the economic system and obstacles to the hobby. They contribute nothing of value - Hasbro produces the toys, Target sells them, we buy them. These guys just insert themselves into the chain by buying them first (often by exploiting their connections) and marking them up. We say, 'oh thank goodness he's doing this because I never would have found that toy otherwise', but really, there's 18 fans out there who can't find the damn thing because he bought them.

Additionally, I don't think Hasbro should make a consistent practice of making some of the best figures in a given line exclusives. The fact that it is rare will probably sell the damn thing alone. Make the shelf-warmers exclusives.
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Postby D-340 » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:53 pm

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Bonger wrote:Theres one more foot note that I wanted to add, that I have been meaning to do since I found this thread.

I am fully with Ryan. Staring at free money in a store to help offset our own TF expenses, which have been VERY high this year is extrmemely tempting. And where does this oney go, back into TFs and the webiste you love to come hang out on. And you KNOW if he had not grabed that case of SS, someone else would have. There was no way it was not going to end up on ebay. So for once, the TF fans won. Atleast the money is going back into our hobby.



Actually, I gotta disagree with you here. I mean as far as the site, yeah, Ryan's got all right to do what he needs to do for the money to run it. But as far as he or any other collector getting a hold of a currently hot item(they'll all be shelf warmers soon, so no worries) and selling it for a large profit to offset the cost of your collection is wrong imo. If it's your own personal hobby, why should others be responsible for paying for it? I understand it is tempting, but ultimately you are the one responsible for your own expenses, not anyone else.

For me though, it's not so much a morality issue as it is a responsibility issue. It's like me saying "I'm gonna blow my whole weeks pay on my collection, but sell the hot items for profit and make all my money back cuz I did so". It's just something I can't relate to I suppose. My collection is mine, and mine alone, I chose the hobby, so it's my responsibility to pay for it. I'm not trying to insult or look down on anyone who does this though, it's just my opinion.


Question, Would it be ok if he funded his collection by selling concert tickets? Or by selling Star Wars toys? Or by selling car parts on eBay? To me it seems a lot of the anger over people funding their collections by selling TFs is because they're selling hard to find TFs and not because they're "scalping". Am I wrong?


For me, it depends. If it's there business, say they own a shop, then to me it's fine. But if it is scalping, then, to me it's not. That's just the way I feel about it, I just don't agree with it.

For me though, my problem is not the scalpers at all. I normally make a practice of not buying any current toy line off the internet, especially ebay. I refuse to pay a high secondary mark up because the line is hot at the moment, especially when the toys are due to hit the shelves soon(in this case my local Target's end cap is up and I got the repaint Jazz today). My problem is the got-have-it-now collectors who pay the high mark up, drive the secondary market higher, and then bitch about it. I know how I feel about it, and I don't support it, it's so simple. It just drives me batty when discussions like this pop up, and blame gets tossed around when the situation is so easy to deal with. Don't like scalpers, don't by from them. Don't deal with them, just have some patients. As Ryan says, be resourceful. There are easy ways to get what you want, without having to resort to/support the scalpers.
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Postby Geekee1 » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:02 pm

Disregarding the moral/immoral stance, I still have the question of just how many scalpers are there really out there? Can you seriously tell me that every city, suburb, and rural location in America is crawling with scalpers? Maybe there really is just a shortage of merchandise and other people, collectors, and kids are getting the toys.

I know the last time that I was at Wal-Mart while they were stocking they only had three boxes of deluxes. That's not going to last very long, scalper or not. I still think that the larger issue is production and not scalping.
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Postby Cyber Bishop » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:20 pm

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Geekee1 wrote:Disregarding the moral/immoral stance, I still have the question of just how many scalpers are there really out there? Can you seriously tell me that every city, suburb, and rural location in America is crawling with scalpers? Maybe there really is just a shortage of merchandise and other people, collectors, and kids are getting the toys.


I know of at least 6 in my area.

Of the ones I know about 4 of them buy and re-sell pretty much anything toy wise that is considered "collectible", one deals with Hot Wheels, Johnny Lightning and Star Wars and the other is Hot Wheels/Marvel only.

I run into one guy (who buys anything) quite a bit, and every time I do and I get something before he does he always tells me things like.

"damn, beat me to it. Guess that one won't make it to ebay".
"do you really need that?"

Yes he has said things like this to me.
It is not an opinion it is a fact.

I once asked him why does he buy everything that is new, resell it on ebay and not give collectors a legit chance to pick stuff up and his answer was "I don't like collectors and think they should grow up and do more adult things."
"I do it to hopefully deter people from toy searching and hope they stumble across my ebay auctions".

He tried to give a friend of mine a card with his ebay information on it. My friend told him to shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Postby D-340 » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:23 pm

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Additionally, I don't think Hasbro should make a consistent practice of making some of the best figures in a given line exclusives. The fact that it is rare will probably sell the damn thing alone. Make the shelf-warmers exclusives.


Why? That defeats the purpose of having exclusives all together. I really like the idea of exclusives, even if I can't get all of them. Just because some people can't get all of them doesn't mean they should stop doing them.
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Postby upther » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:24 pm

D-340 wrote:For me though, my problem is not the scalpers at all. I normally make a practice of not buying any current toy line off the internet, especially ebay. I refuse to pay a high secondary mark up because the line is hot at the moment, especially when the toys are due to hit the shelves soon(in this case my local Target's end cap is up and I got the repaint Jazz today). My problem is the got-have-it-now collectors who pay the high mark up, drive the secondary market higher, and then bitch about it. I know how I feel about it, and I don't support it, it's so simple. It just drives me batty when discussions like this pop up, and blame gets tossed around when the situation is so easy to deal with. Don't like scalpers, don't by from them. Don't deal with them, just have some patients. As Ryan says, be resourceful. There are easy ways to get what you want, without having to resort to/support the scalpers.


I think that's the bigger problem here. TF "scalpers" exist because of the impatient, gotta have it now collectors. As long as there are impatient collectors there will be scalpers. It's not like this line won't be flooding the shelves sooner or later.
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Postby Geekee1 » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:27 pm

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Geekee1 wrote:Disregarding the moral/immoral stance, I still have the question of just how many scalpers are there really out there? Can you seriously tell me that every city, suburb, and rural location in America is crawling with scalpers? Maybe there really is just a shortage of merchandise and other people, collectors, and kids are getting the toys.


I know of at least 6 in my area.

Of the ones I know about 4 of them buy and re-sell pretty much anything toy wise that is considered "collectible", one deals with Hot Wheels, Johnny Lightning and Star Wars and the other is Hot Wheels/Marvel only.

I run into one guy (who buys anything) quite a bit, and every time I do and I get something before he does he always tells me things like.

"damn, beat me to it. Guess that one won't make it to ebay".
"do you really need that?"

Yes he has said things like this to me.
It is not an opinion it is a fact.

I once asked him why does he buy everything that is new, resell it on ebay and not give collectors a legit chance to pick stuff up and his answer was "I don't like collectors and think they should grow up and do more adult things."
"I do it to hopefully deter people from toy searching and hope they stumble across my ebay auctions".

He tried to give a friend of mine a card with his ebay information on it. My friend told him to shove it where the sun don't shine.


Now that is a jerk. I personally have never run into a scalper in my area. I've come across a few collectors and they have been really great.

Oh, and I'm not saying that scalpers don't exist. They most certainly do. I am just questioning if there really are as many as people claim there to be.

And thank you for the insightful reply.
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Postby i_amtrunks » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:32 pm

Geekee1 wrote:Disregarding the moral/immoral stance, I still have the question of just how many scalpers are there really out there? Can you seriously tell me that every city, suburb, and rural location in America is crawling with scalpers? Maybe there really is just a shortage of merchandise and other people, collectors, and kids are getting the toys.


I know I am in a slightly different boat, being from a country with a population and consumer market only a fraction the size of the USA's, but Scalping was never really a problem here in Australia until very recently.

I think Hot Wheels cars would have been the first major sufferer, one of my old bosses used to collect them, and had started to use ebay.au to find figures. "Cars" diecast figures also seem to be very hard hit by scalpers.

Transformers never really suffered from scalping until the movie line, and even then, it was only figures like Robovision Prime and 08 Bumblebee that truly were scalped at first (now it seems all the movie characters are going much the same way).

I would not have believed it myself except for a run-in I had with a fulltime scalper back in June. The fact that she was on her mobile (cellphone) at the time bragging about getting all the 08 Bumblebees and how much she'd get for them.

Ebay.au is getting filled with many Movie figures, most are (thankfully) going unsold, and many of the rest (in particular 08 Bumblebee) are going for far less than they were even a fortnight ago.

As the Scalpers get smarter with the products they choose to scalp, so to do the consumers who decide the prices the scalpers get for their products.
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Postby Cyber Bishop » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:33 pm

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Geekee1 wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:
Geekee1 wrote:Disregarding the moral/immoral stance, I still have the question of just how many scalpers are there really out there? Can you seriously tell me that every city, suburb, and rural location in America is crawling with scalpers? Maybe there really is just a shortage of merchandise and other people, collectors, and kids are getting the toys.


I know of at least 6 in my area.

Of the ones I know about 4 of them buy and re-sell pretty much anything toy wise that is considered "collectible", one deals with Hot Wheels, Johnny Lightning and Star Wars and the other is Hot Wheels/Marvel only.

I run into one guy (who buys anything) quite a bit, and every time I do and I get something before he does he always tells me things like.

"damn, beat me to it. Guess that one won't make it to ebay".
"do you really need that?"

Yes he has said things like this to me.
It is not an opinion it is a fact.

I once asked him why does he buy everything that is new, resell it on ebay and not give collectors a legit chance to pick stuff up and his answer was "I don't like collectors and think they should grow up and do more adult things."
"I do it to hopefully deter people from toy searching and hope they stumble across my ebay auctions".

He tried to give a friend of mine a card with his ebay information on it. My friend told him to shove it where the sun don't shine.


Now that is a jerk. I personally have never run into a scalper in my area. I've come across a few collectors and they have been really great.

Oh, and I'm not saying that scalpers don't exist. They most certainly do. I am just questioning if there really are as many as people claim there to be.

And thank you for the insightful reply.


Yeah, he is known to be a jerk to pretty much everyone that I know that collects around here.
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Postby Sportimus Prime » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:21 pm

Ebay bidders are stupid too. Most of them, anyway. I have been keeping an eye on 3 different auctions for G1 Color Movie Jazz. The morons are bidding the price up like crazy 7-10 minutes before the auction ends. You wait until the last moment, you 'tards! :-x

Here's an example:

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Postby Seibertron » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:24 pm

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Geekee1 wrote:Oh, and I'm not saying that scalpers don't exist. They most certainly do. I am just questioning if there really are as many as people claim there to be.


That's been one of my points that I've been trying to make in this thread ... that scalpers on the scale that people talk about them do not exist. Sure, there's a few ... but not like some people in this thread would like to have you believe. I just want people to acknowledge that there just might be other collectors in their area that are beating them to the punch and that it's not scalpers. This is a HUGE hobby. They would never have made a Transformers movie had it just been you and a bunch of scalpers in your town buying Transformers.
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Postby Seibertron » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:28 pm

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Caelus wrote:It occurs to me that this ethical conflict is not unlike the issue of whether using steroids is ethical in sports, card-counting is ethical in gambling, and using dynamite and a backhoe is ethical in fishing


Seriously? This is about as far from those things as I can imagine.


Actually, let me elucidate my point a bit more:

Why are those things considered unethical?

Disregarding the response 'because they are illegal', which is circular reasoning, I think you will find that most people will cite the same reasons as have been sited here - they give an unfair advantage that 'ruins' the 'game' for the other players.

As far as I'm concerned, these people, though not breaking the law and not committing cardinal sins, are still leaches on the economic system and obstacles to the hobby. They contribute nothing of value - Hasbro produces the toys, Target sells them, we buy them. These guys just insert themselves into the chain by buying them first (often by exploiting their connections) and marking them up. We say, 'oh thank goodness he's doing this because I never would have found that toy otherwise', but really, there's 18 fans out there who can't find the damn thing because he bought them.

Additionally, I don't think Hasbro should make a consistent practice of making some of the best figures in a given line exclusives. The fact that it is rare will probably sell the damn thing alone. Make the shelf-warmers exclusives.


Ok. But that doesn't make it immoral or unethical. It just makes it unfair for some people. As I've said time and time again in this thread, I'd love to show you guys how to beat other people to the store but no one seems to want to take my advice so we just keep going back to beating the blown-out-of-proportion scalper situation.
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Postby Sunstar » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:33 pm

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Seibertron wrote:
Caelus wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Caelus wrote:It occurs to me that this ethical conflict is not unlike the issue of whether using steroids is ethical in sports, card-counting is ethical in gambling, and using dynamite and a backhoe is ethical in fishing


Seriously? This is about as far from those things as I can imagine.


Actually, let me elucidate my point a bit more:

Why are those things considered unethical?

Disregarding the response 'because they are illegal', which is circular reasoning, I think you will find that most people will cite the same reasons as have been sited here - they give an unfair advantage that 'ruins' the 'game' for the other players.

As far as I'm concerned, these people, though not breaking the law and not committing cardinal sins, are still leaches on the economic system and obstacles to the hobby. They contribute nothing of value - Hasbro produces the toys, Target sells them, we buy them. These guys just insert themselves into the chain by buying them first (often by exploiting their connections) and marking them up. We say, 'oh thank goodness he's doing this because I never would have found that toy otherwise', but really, there's 18 fans out there who can't find the damn thing because he bought them.

Additionally, I don't think Hasbro should make a consistent practice of making some of the best figures in a given line exclusives. The fact that it is rare will probably sell the damn thing alone. Make the shelf-warmers exclusives.


Ok. But that doesn't make it immoral or unethical. It just makes it unfair for some people. As I've said time and time again in this thread, I'd love to show you guys how to beat other people to the store but no one seems to want to take my advice so we just keep going back to beating the blown-out-of-proportion scalper situation.


I did consider purchasing your figs seibs. I was gonna ask what your shipping to canada would be like. I am not sure why I never got the chance to question your shipping, probably busy. Anyway. I will keep you in mind for future.
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Postby megatroptimus » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:51 pm

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One thing many buyers don't realize it that shipping charges cover more than just the cost of postage. That is why it is called shipping & handling. In my experience, e-bay and PayPal's cut comes out to be about 15% of the auctions ending price. On a $25 sale, that could be around $3.50 to $4.00 in fees. Boxes are not free either. Go to a packaging store and buy some boxes and bubble wrap and see how much you spend.

I say spending $10 on shipping an auction is fair if the actual post is $5.10 because I understand the nature of auction expenses.

Like it or not, eBay sellers are providing you a service. eBay may look free to the buyer, but very little in this world is free. You end up paying the eBay costs in the final price.


Like it or not, eBay and Paypal are providing you a service. eBay and Paypal may look free to the seller, but very little in this word is free.

You alone decided to use Ebay and Paypal services so you can sell your stuff, therefore you alone should be responsible for the fees they charge you. Said fees should NOT be part of "handling" and shipping charges.
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Postby MagnusPrimal » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:59 pm

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People who you call scalpers are in all actuality just shrewd businessmen for the most part. I know several people who live solely off of selling toys on eBay. Many of them hit the stores early get the variants or exclusives because they want these figures enough to go to a Wal Mart at 1 in the morning.



Or maybe they can go to Walmart at 1am because they don't have jobs. Some of us go to work early in the morning, and really can't be out and about at 1am.
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Postby Lapse Of Reason » Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:02 pm

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megatroptimus wrote:
Lapse Of Reason wrote:
One thing many buyers don't realize it that shipping charges cover more than just the cost of postage. That is why it is called shipping & handling. In my experience, e-bay and PayPal's cut comes out to be about 15% of the auctions ending price. On a $25 sale, that could be around $3.50 to $4.00 in fees. Boxes are not free either. Go to a packaging store and buy some boxes and bubble wrap and see how much you spend.

I say spending $10 on shipping an auction is fair if the actual post is $5.10 because I understand the nature of auction expenses.

Like it or not, eBay sellers are providing you a service. eBay may look free to the buyer, but very little in this world is free. You end up paying the eBay costs in the final price.


Like it or not, eBay and Paypal are providing you a service. eBay and Paypal may look free to the seller, but very little in this word is free.

You alone decided to use Ebay and Paypal services so you can sell your stuff, therefore you alone should be responsible for the fees they charge you. Said fees should NOT be part of "handling" and shipping charges.


eBay and Paypal provide both buyers and sellers with a service. Both are free for the buyer, and it is the seller's option to pass some of the expense to the buyer. The ones with any business sense do (or they use low shipping as mean of promotion). Whether you think it is right or wrong is beside the point.

Here is a basic business equation for you:
Product cost + overhead expenses + profit margin = selling price.

Overhead is usually a fixed cost for a business, so they need to maintain a certain quota of sales to remain in the black. Whether you go to a retailer like Target, a restaurant, grocery shopping, or out to a movie, you are still paying for that business' overhead expenses in addition to their cost and profit margin. The same goes for eBay businesses.
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Postby Lapse Of Reason » Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:06 pm

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MagnusPrimal wrote:
Rodimus_Lantern wrote:
People who you call scalpers are in all actuality just shrewd businessmen for the most part. I know several people who live solely off of selling toys on eBay. Many of them hit the stores early get the variants or exclusives because they want these figures enough to go to a Wal Mart at 1 in the morning.



Or maybe they can go to Walmart at 1am because they don't have jobs. Some of us go to work early in the morning, and really can't be out and about at 1am.


I don't see them as shrewd businessmen. Buying at retail and selling for a small profit is not a strong enough business to support a person and provide for the future. It may be good to make some extra spending cash, but should not take the place of a real career.
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