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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:36 pm

Sowndwave76 wrote:
Just to clarify, I don't see Siege and Kingdom Magnus figures as the same.
But no would argue that one is a retool of the previous version.
Imo the "ER" version doesn't quality as a heavy retool, so they are very similar.
Especially in overall proportions and appearance.

For me, I'd be open to any figure of a character I like after 9 years. In fact I'd argue 3-4 years is plenty of time passed to make a new mold of a character, especially one that's accepted as relatively popular.
When SS86 Magnus is released, it will have been 2 and a half years since the release of the Kingdom version, and 2 months shy of 5 years since the release of the Siege version.

Even if someone bought both of these previous versions, I would personally say "burnt-out" with the G1 deco of this character is a bit of an overstatement.
If you bought every version of a character, if you're feeling burnt-out, that's by your own choice. But if you're a huge fan of a character, I'd assume there's a moderate degree of happiness with the purchase of each new release. Which seems to be the opposite of burnt-out. And otherwise, what's the point? If you bought just to buy and/or the feeling of acquiring something new, that's also on you.
That's also a horrible collecting habit and waste of money.

I'm one who is unaffected by versions/repaints that don't interest me (which also means I didn't purchase said versions/repaints).
But it doesn't make sense that someone could feel "fatigued" by releases of a character that they didn't buy.

Going back to perspective, it's interesting that SS86 Ratchet is being released just a year after SS86 Ironhide... And no one is complaining.
And Ratchet did get a SG figure whereas Ironhide did not...
So it's just a bit odd that for some reason, literally 1 year seems to be making a difference in the case of Ratchet.

And no worries... No one has any pull on me in terms of what I buy or don't buy.
I'm sure I'll really enjoy this CC Ultra Magnus. Hopefully it's good enough to you that it dissolves your saltiness.

Getting a bit judgmental about now, aren't you?

Yeah, some of this is on me. I thought Hasbro and Takara brought me the best version of the character and would be done with it for a time. And I was wrong. Very wrong. And I was dumb enough to buy their product and got diminishing returns. That much is on me.

Makes me a lot less of a fan of the whole TF collecting experience. :michaelbay:

But some of it ain't on it. When I got Siege I had no way of knowing they'd make Kingdom. When I got kingdom I had no way of knowing they'd make Studio. They decided to make a habit of releasing a similar yet significantly better product part of their release strategy.

CW was 9 years ago, but it wasn't 9 years when Siege was released. If we include repaints (since we do have the internet and can get them) then it wouldn't have been that long between Plat CW and Siege.

My feelings about this UM right now? Not happy. I'll be happy later on, I think. I hope it'll dissolve my saltiness too. I don't like being salty over TF releases.

So, no. No I stand by including CW UM on my list as a modern UM that has left me feeling burnt out on the guy. If anything I should have added Netflix and Platinum.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:42 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:What's this "ER" version separate from Siege and Kingdom? :???:

I was using "ER" so I didn't have to keep typing-out "Kingdom".
I should've used the quotations everytime.
But I kind of figured people would understand that the Kingdom version was supposed to be Magnus's earth-based form.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Overcracker » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:42 pm

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I think the burn out issue stems from the fact we’ve had a Magnus every year since 2019.
Siege 2019
Spoiler Pack 2020
Kingdom 2021
Premium Finish 2021 / 2022
SG 2022

That’s 5 different Magnus release, each of them with something different from the previous one.
Getting a 6th figure in 4 years is a tad much.

Not even Prime has 6 figures in 4 years.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:46 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:What's this "ER" version separate from Siege and Kingdom? :???:

I was using "ER" so I didn't have to keep typing-out "Kingdom".
Ah. Got it.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:52 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:Getting a bit judgmental about now, aren't you?

None of that was directed at you specifically. Or anyone on the forums.
I'm sorry if it came off like that.
Starting most of that with, "If someone...", was intentionally supposed to be broad.
Then yeah, I followed it with "If you......", but it was still supposed to be generalized.
I have no clue what people's buying habits have been.
And in the grand scheme, I don't care.
What we've been talking about is still a matter of perspective.
Including a figure from 9 years ago into the topic doesn't hold any weight for me.
For you it does.
It's all good.

It's also a matter of perspective that someone may want to call Premium Finish UM a different figure...
For me, it's not.
It's the Siege figure with slightly different/altered paint apps.
That doesn't even come close to a release such as a SG version of a figure/character.
But the reason I'm not counting SG in the discussion, is because this all stemmed from talking about the SS86 Commander Class Ultra Magnus;
so a legit, G1 version.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:07 pm

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Overcracker wrote:I think the burn out issue stems from the fact we’ve had a Magnus every year since 2019.
Siege 2019
Spoiler Pack 2020
Kingdom 2021
Premium Finish 2021 / 2022
SG 2022

That’s 5 different Magnus release, each of them with something different from the previous one.
Getting a 6th figure in 4 years is a tad much.

Not even Prime has 6 figures in 4 years.


This will be the last post I make about Ultra Magnus "burn-out"...
IF someone bought all of those, then sure, they may not want any other UM figure ever.
What I don't agree with, is the idea that this "burn-out" is some legit issue for a majority of people and should be seen as such.
As I said a bit ago-- if you are someone who now has "UM Burn-out" because you bought all or most of those releases, fine. Even though that's a result of free choice, fine... You probably don't want any more Ultra Magnus figures released for more than handful of years.

Imo, listing every release, especially ones that are only slightly altered, or in a completely different universe but utilizes a previous mold, just sounds weak.
The discussion I've been apart of, and one of my points, is there isn't an overabundance of legit (for me that means screen accurate) G1 Ultra Magnus figures.

I may be off, but the overall vibe from multiple people, including feedback/insight outside of this site's forums, is one of excitement, happiness, gratitude, and positivity.

If you're suffering from this UM Burn-out, that sucks. I'm sorry.
On the bright, side you're going to save yourself at least $80.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Slashercon » Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:22 pm

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So I've had time to marinate on my decision regarding the SS86 Commander Ultra Magnus, and I certainly see why some aren't as enthused as others. First I want to address the scale issue. (see attachements below.)

I personally really like the scale between the Kingdom release of Magnus, 86 Grimlock, and the Siege Optimus here. Hearing that the new commander Magnus is taller than Grimlock has me conflicted. How much taller are we talking here? If he's only half a head taller, that we would be ideal, although, knowing that the next Commander's entire mass is still only slightly taller than a normal leader might bother some. This isn't a case like Rodimus and Motormaster where they're more or less playsets, or even like Skylynx to an extent. Honestly, the best comparison would be back to Siege Jetfire. They both are meant to be large characters but Magnus really shouldn't be too big. This is probably why some have a complained about the lack of a smaller white Optimus, as at this price point, it would've felt more acceptable I suppose. But there's the other issue of this being the Studio Series line, specifically the 86 line which more or less doubles strives for movie AND cartoon accuracy. And Magnus never had the smaller body Prime in either, so there's that. And this is also something I'm not sure others have thought about but, regarding the smaller Optimus, it would have to play double duty for an eventual 86 Optimus (you know Hasbro has one in the pipeline). Even if they weren't striving for film accuracy, I don't think Hasbro would make a smaller Optimus and then use a completely new mold for Optimus from the Magnus in the commander class. They did it for Siege, but i don't foresee them doing it again.

Me personally, I prefer Magnus as one complete robot (I'm used to the G1 cartoon, Animated, and the Combiner Wars figure primarily), and the features of the figure I'm loving, from the removable missiles for blast effect compatibility, the spring loaded chest to reveal the matrix compartment, to the articulated fingers and the car carrying capability. The lack of wonky proportions compared to the Siege mold, the more accurate/decent looking earth-mode compared to the Kingdom release are also good reasons for me to be interested in this figure. With that said, because Transformers aren't the only things I collect I have to be smart about my purchases, so I may wait for a drop in price before copping one.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Emerje » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:12 am

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Sowndwave76 wrote:It's also a matter of perspective that someone may want to call Premium Finish UM a different figure...
For me, it's not.
It's the Siege figure with slightly different/altered paint apps.

The difference between Siege Magnus and Premium Finish Magnus are as drastic as the difference between Kingdom Magnus and SG Magnus. It's why I like to call the PF version "Decepticon Magnus" or "Nemesis Magnus". It's hard to tell from these old pictures but the blue has a purple tint to it.

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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:10 am

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Sowndwave76 wrote:Going back to perspective, it's interesting that SS86 Ratchet is being released just a year after SS86 Ironhide... And no one is complaining.
And Ratchet did get a SG figure whereas Ironhide did not...
So it's just a bit odd that for some reason, literally 1 year seems to be making a difference in the case of Ratchet.

I have filed my grievance there too, overdoing yet another character.

But Ratchet is a bit more tolerable since his Siege figure was a Walgreens exclusive (i.e. probably the hardest to get), and his ER figure was an Amazon exclusive. Makes it a bit more palatable.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:53 am

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:Going back to perspective, it's interesting that SS86 Ratchet is being released just a year after SS86 Ironhide... And no one is complaining.
And Ratchet did get a SG figure whereas Ironhide did not...
So it's just a bit odd that for some reason, literally 1 year seems to be making a difference in the case of Ratchet.

I have filed my grievance there too, overdoing yet another character.

But Ratchet is a bit more tolerable since his Siege figure was a Walgreens exclusive (i.e. probably the hardest to get), and his ER figure was an Amazon exclusive. Makes it a bit more palatable.

I don't like that situation either, but this was about UM. I don't want to bring all my grievances about all of the characters into this.

I have a problem with Hasbro's release and production strategy. Overall. UM was the one under discussion here, but the problem isn't limited to just him.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Overcracker » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:16 am

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Sowndwave76 wrote:
Overcracker wrote:I think the burn out issue stems from the fact we’ve had a Magnus every year since 2019.
Siege 2019
Spoiler Pack 2020
Kingdom 2021
Premium Finish 2021 / 2022
SG 2022

That’s 5 different Magnus release, each of them with something different from the previous one.
Getting a 6th figure in 4 years is a tad much.

Not even Prime has 6 figures in 4 years.


This will be the last post I make about Ultra Magnus "burn-out"...
IF someone bought all of those, then sure, they may not want any other UM figure ever...


It's not about having bought them all. It's a psychological thing. We've all had Magnus on our minds every year even if you have not bought it.
It's a fairly important character and every one talks about him even if they don't buy it.

So yes, getting yet another Magnus adds to that Magnus mental load that's been building up.

I can understand feeling tired with the character and the name.


At the same time I like this new Magnus and will be picking him up, but I would have still preferred an inner white prime and a more complex armor transformation if you ask me.

But yes, this should in general be the last Ultra Magnus for a while, but be prepared for it to get repainted a few times by both Hasbro and Takara.

I'm expecting pee Magnus at some point from Takara, and probably a Powered Convoy homage with a blue cab too.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Till-all-R1 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:58 am

Gauntlet101010 wrote:When I got Siege I had no way of knowing they'd make Kingdom. When I got kingdom I had no way of knowing they'd make Studio. They decided to make a habit of releasing a similar yet significantly better product part of their release strategy.

I haven't bought TF's since actual G1 days, it wasn't until 2019 when I started getting back into them due to the advancements in articulation/engineering and sculpt. But even I know they are going to reissue or rerelease a character again, possibly slightly improved from the last if not a straight repack in new packaging/refresh. The history of the line says as much. So I don't understand your disbelief that they would revisit said character for different iterations, perhaps them feeling like back to back releases makes it feel like you should have just waited it out. And sometimes in the moment it could feel like this is it, this is the version that most represents the character and it possibly won't be seen again any time soon. This was me with ER Prowl, and the frustration of it being an impossible to get reasonably priced. As well as Dirge & Ramjet. fortunately Hasbro is correcting that for the last two and already has for Ironhide. But at the time we think it will take forever to come back around.

So I wouldn't necessarily put blame of Hasbro for Fans not expecting a future release of a popular character. Heck we see Bumblbee literally everywhere all the time.

I also feel any time a character is an Exclusive it has limit availability to the point they have to address a rerelease at some point, not everyone has a Walgreens, Target, Walmart or whatever it is and getting them online isn't as easy as it should be. Cosmos comes to mind...
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:43 pm

Till-all-R1 wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:When I got Siege I had no way of knowing they'd make Kingdom. When I got kingdom I had no way of knowing they'd make Studio. They decided to make a habit of releasing a similar yet significantly better product part of their release strategy.

I haven't bought TF's since actual G1 days, it wasn't until 2019 when I started getting back into them due to the advancements in articulation/engineering and sculpt. But even I know they are going to reissue or rerelease a character again, possibly slightly improved from the last if not a straight repack in new packaging/refresh. The history of the line says as much. So I don't understand your disbelief that they would revisit said character for different iterations, perhaps them feeling like back to back releases makes it feel like you should have just waited it out. And sometimes in the moment it could feel like this is it, this is the version that most represents the character and it possibly won't be seen again any time soon. This was me with ER Prowl, and the frustration of it being an impossible to get reasonably priced. As well as Dirge & Ramjet. fortunately Hasbro is correcting that for the last two and already has for Ironhide. But at the time we think it will take forever to come back around.

So I wouldn't necessarily put blame of Hasbro for Fans not expecting a future release of a popular character. Heck we see Bumblbee literally everywhere all the time.

I also feel any time a character is an Exclusive it has limit availability to the point they have to address a rerelease at some point, not everyone has a Walgreens, Target, Walmart or whatever it is and getting them online isn't as easy as it should be. Cosmos comes to mind...

Bumblebee =/= Ultra Magnus. They've been making bees since forever. It's a false comparison.

Hindsight is 20/20. Guess I should have waited it out. Have to break out that crystal ball next time. Just know that they're gonna make that newer, better, more G1 accurate version.

I'm not in disbelief at their incremental update strategy, but I'm salty about it. Has it been so long since Kingdom? Are we due for another go?

But, at the same time, don't get my position wrong. I'm just replying to forum posts here. I'm not frothing at the mouth incensed about it either. Just rolling me eyes.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sowndwave76 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:13 pm

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This is truly going to be my last post on this subject.

Emerje wrote:The difference between Siege Magnus and Premium Finish Magnus are as drastic as the difference between Kingdom Magnus and SG Magnus.

Again, perspective. I've already stated my opinion on the aspect of repaints/retools, so posting photos at this point doesn't add any validity to what I'm disagreeing with.
Also, again, part of my point in all of this is addressing G1 versions, and what I consider legit G1 versions of this character.
For the sake of brevity, imagine this new SS86 UM had that medium-dark gray plastic/paint in every area that is recognized as white... Imagine the overall/majority feedback.
I look at that version and my initial thought is, "Oh, that's a dead version of this guy" (especially the inner bot... Yikes).

Overcracker wrote:It's not about having bought them all. It's a psychological thing. We've all had Magnus on our minds every year even if you have not bought it.
It's a fairly important character and every one talks about him even if they don't buy it.

So yes, getting yet another Magnus adds to that Magnus mental load that's been building up.

I can understand feeling tired with the character and the name.

I'm doing my best not to judge this...
But first off, it's not at all legit to state "We've all...".
Part of a previous point was that this "fatigue" isn't necessarily an issue for that many people.
And ".....adds to that Magnus mental load that's been building up."
Wow...
After reading this, I immediately went back to perspective.
I'm 1,000% aware that I'm not into TF as much as the majority of people here. I've stated that multiple times between previous posts outside of this topic.
But even relative to the fact we're talking about toys; this all comes off as a hugely exaggerated overstatement.
I'm really not trying to be an ass when I say this, but if seeing, reading about, and/or talking about TF toys is a source of stress for anyone... If it's built-up that much and is weighing on anyone's mental load...
I get there are multiple ways to finish that thought.
I'd finish that with, "they're taking this too seriously", and maybe even, "how and why do they care that much to where this is weighing on them?". And maybe that's just me.
I'm also aware that people are passionate about this hobby, which is made up of a very, very wide spectrum.
Again, that's part of one my points--
For every person who is that upset or bothered by what they'd consider, "Too many figures of a character in 'x' number of years", there have to be exponentially more who would think about this for 20 seconds, and move on.
If the announcement of SS86 UM bothered anyone because that character's releases from 3, 4, and 9 years ago have been lingering, building-up, and weighing on them... Okay.
Just please have some perspective that that's probably not the general feeling, and shouldn't be stated as though it is;
there are tons of people who are on different points on the collector spectrum, a lot of those towards the opposite end.

Till-all-R1 wrote:But even I know they are going to reissue or rerelease a character again, possibly slightly improved from the last if not a straight repack in new packaging/refresh. The history of the line says as much.

This whole post is legit and makes multiple good points.

I think we should keep in mind that Hastak does take into consideration what they're doing and what they've done.
Since this SS86 CC is a completely new mold, it means it's been in the works for what, a year?
Closer to two years??
Knowing they want this to sell well, it's difficult to believe that they thought lots of people would be suffering from "Ultra Magnus Burn-out"-- even back when it was decided this figure was going to be made and initial designing began.
And while yes, there are probably a couple repaint options, I would never call an $80+ toy an easy sell, to almost anyone.
Hell, a $55 leader class figure isn't exactly a bargain to the average parent. Or college student. Or kid.
And yet, despite previous releases, price point, etc., Hastak decided this was a good call.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Overcracker » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:53 pm

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Overcracker wrote:It's not about having bought them all. It's a psychological thing. We've all had Magnus on our minds every year even if you have not bought it.
It's a fairly important character and every one talks about him even if they don't buy it.

So yes, getting yet another Magnus adds to that Magnus mental load that's been building up.

I can understand feeling tired with the character and the name.

I'm doing my best not to judge this...
But first off, it's not at all legit to state "We've all...".
Part of a previous point was that this "fatigue" isn't necessarily an issue for that many people.
And ".....adds to that Magnus mental load that's been building up."
Wow...
After reading this, I immediately went back to perspective.
I'm 1,000% aware that I'm not into TF as much as the majority of people here. I've stated that multiple times between previous posts outside of this topic.
But even relative to the fact we're talking about toys; this all comes off as a hugely exaggerated overstatement.
I'm really not trying to be an ass when I say this, but if seeing, reading about, and/or talking about TF toys is a source of stress for anyone... If it's built-up that much and is weighing on anyone's mental load...
I get there are multiple ways to finish that thought.
I'd finish that with, "they're taking this too seriously", and maybe even, "how and why do they care that much to where this is weighing on them?". And maybe that's just me.
I'm also aware that people are passionate about this hobby, which is made up of a very, very wide spectrum.
Again, that's part of one my points--
For every person who is that upset or bothered by what they'd consider, "Too many figures of a character in 'x' number of years", there have to be exponentially more who would think about this for 20 seconds, and move on.
If the announcement of SS86 UM bothered anyone because that character's releases from 3, 4, and 9 years ago have been lingering, building-up, and weighing on them... Okay.
Just please have some perspective that that's probably not the general feeling, and shouldn't be stated as though it is;
there are tons of people who are on different points on the collector spectrum, a lot of those towards the opposite end.


I'm not saying everybody is tired of Magnus. I'm saying we have all been seeing and discussing Magnus in the past few years every so often, or have you totally not seen, read, or commented on anything about any previous Magnus since Siege?

People will comment, people will look at pics, people will see the pictures of the character and read comments about it, and that keeps Magnus fresh or shall we say active in their minds, even if it is unconsciously.

Just because you don't feel tired, does not mean somebody else doesn't. Like you said it's a wide spectrum, and I just understand how the people who are tired of him feel, while I myself don't feel that way.

It's also probably has to do with having paid at least $50 bucks for a Magnus in the past, and then paying $90 for this one now.
Not everybody has that much disposable Income in such a short period of time.

This is just my perspective, not meant to be a final or definitive word on the subject.

for a more extreme example of character / figure fatigue see Siege Megatron and his unnending repaints, retools, and re-releases.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:21 pm

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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Pontotox » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:29 pm

There’s probably going to be a lot of toy swaps between studio and siege/kingdom Magnus
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Emerje » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:50 pm

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Emerje wrote:The difference between Siege Magnus and Premium Finish Magnus are as drastic as the difference between Kingdom Magnus and SG Magnus.

Again, perspective. I've already stated my opinion on the aspect of repaints/retools, so posting photos at this point doesn't add any validity to what I'm disagreeing with.
Also, again, part of my point in all of this is addressing G1 versions, and what I consider legit G1 versions of this character.
For the sake of brevity, imagine this new SS86 UM had that medium-dark gray plastic/paint in every area that is recognized as white... Imagine the overall/majority feedback.
I look at that version and my initial thought is, "Oh, that's a dead version of this guy" (especially the inner bot... Yikes).

I don't care about any of that, you're welcome to your opinion. What I took exception to was you saying it was a slight difference. ;)

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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sowndwave76 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:44 pm

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Till-all-R1 wrote:The one aspect about UM I like over Motormaster, is the fact his trailer is a part of him. Not an unused accessory taking up space somewhere where I could display another figure.


I meant to address this but obviously was sidetracked...
Completely agree, and especially for this figure.
In fact, I sold Rodimus's trailer for around $40, and almost literally haven't thought about it since... If I still had that, it would be still be in the box, untouched.

I'm also one who is actually glad there isn't an inner white prime figure.
Back in a conversation about Legacy Menasor, AcademyofDrX brought up his thought on wanting to move on from the CW system and have this be entirely new.
While I was surprised Menasor wasn't completely CW compatible, I agree with him; it's not bad to move on and make something new completely new.
I'm not saying that was Hastak's motivation or driving force behind the design decisions.
I also haven't forgot that there was no inner white prime in the show or movie.
I'm sure somewhere someone is claiming this new figure is a poor man's MP...
But for a mainline figure, I appreciate the all-in-one design, especially appearances of both modes, and the fact that there won't be extra trailer parts left sitting in a box.

Slashercon brought up the issue of scale...
I could see this new Magnus being a bit tall (and maybe a bit stout).
I always thought Magnus was substantially taller than OP, but that character scale chart has UM literally a half head taller... My memory of this could be off, but I really thought Magnus was much taller in comparison.
But I agree, if UM is a half to one head taller than Grimlock, I think that will work alright.
Although when you stand Grimlock next to voyager Prime, Prime already looks really small.
If this bot mode is on the "too-large" side, I'm assuming it was to help make the trailer more functional, which is good since that should be a part of this alt mode.
Second, this is a character that I'd rather have too large than too small if the "exact scale" can't be sorted out.

Believe it or not, I plan on having Magnus display disassembled as though he was just blown up in the movie. The shelf below my Planet of Junk scene should be ideal with all of that junk hanging down. But I'm already ready to have those unopened figures moved out of that space.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Till-all-R1 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 1:41 pm

Sowndwave76 wrote:Slashercon brought up the issue of scale...
I could see this new Magnus being a bit tall (and maybe a bit stout).
I always thought Magnus was substantially taller than OP, but that character scale chart has UM literally a half head taller... My memory of this could be off, but I really thought Magnus was much taller in comparison.
But I agree, if UM is a half to one head taller than Grimlock, I think that will work alright.
Although when you stand Grimlock next to voyager Prime, Prime already looks really small.
If this bot mode is on the "too-large" side, I'm assuming it was to help make the trailer more functional, which is good since that should be a part of this alt mode.
Second, this is a character that I'd rather have too large than too small if the "exact scale" can't be sorted out.

I always found it somewhat interesting due to UM never changing when given the Matrix of Leadership, yet Hot Rod did. Perhaps an early and purposeful indication who the real chosen one was. So wouldn't one also assume the same should be so for OP? But we never see this addressed all during the rebirth episodes.

It very well might be that UM wasn't meant to be as tall as Prime simply because they didn't want to take away from Prime's "presence" as the top dog sort to speak. That being said there have been plenty of Autobots much taller than him so I'm not sure why UM would be just as tall being that he does indeed incorporate his trailer into his bot form unlike OP. It just seems logical that he could/should be taller, and I don't think it would have overshadowed Prime at all.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:01 pm

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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Till-all-R1 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:10 pm

Belay that, I had Rodimus on the brain writing that post. lol
UM has always been taller than Prime but not by a huge margin, and as a kid I never freeze framed the show to do a side by side comparison. and I'm okay with Kingdom height. And I can't believe Hasbro would knowingly make UM as tall as Grimlock.
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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:14 pm

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Till-all-R1 wrote:Belay that, I had Rodimus on the brain writing that post. lol
UM has always been taller than Prime but not by a huge margin, and as a kid I never freeze framed the show to do a side by side comparison. and I'm okay with Kingdom height. And I can't believe Hasbro would knowingly make UM as tall as Grimlock.
Maybe they had the G1 toy on the brain, since that toy was twice as tall as Optimus.

Or maybe they had this out-of-scaled screencap from "Carnage in C-Minor" on the brain, in which Magnus and the Constructicons bears a closer resemblance to the scale of their G1 toys. ;)

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Re: SDCC 2023 Reveals include Commander Magnus, Menasor Set, Noah Exo Suit, Nova Prime and More

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:37 pm

Maybe they wanted to make the vehicle mode store cars? If he's not commander class he wouldn't be able to do that. They did specifically show he could carry deluxe cars off. All that mass has to go somewhere.

You can squint and say "oh, Season 3 and your weird animation." I think Galvatron is a little too tall too, if memory serves.
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