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Senor Hugo wrote:You hear that noise?
Thats the collective sound of the more mature fans realizing just how cool this movie will be.
White Convoy wrote:Nice!!! One question, why doe the bee slam his fist on the ground while transforming? Still lookin' forward to the movie.
Slovman wrote:Senor Hugo wrote:You hear that noise?
Thats the collective sound of the more mature fans realizing just how cool this movie will be.
Oh my, yes. Because we all know that Michael Bay's movies always cater to that mature, thoughtful, artsy segment of the population.
Senor Hugo wrote:Another thing that they do incredibly well is the fluid animation, which I said already. The transformation of Starscream was seemingly instantanous. No 5-6 second transformations(of course for Prime and Bumblebee you need those to show the pure awesomeness of the Transformation the first time they do it), it's instantanous, allowing the movieformers to accomplish alot more.
Senor Hugo wrote:Slovman wrote:Senor Hugo wrote:You hear that noise?
Thats the collective sound of the more mature fans realizing just how cool this movie will be.
Oh my, yes. Because we all know that Michael Bay's movies always cater to that mature, thoughtful, artsy segment of the population.
True. But then you misinterpretted what I meant. By mature fans. I mean those who got past the whole "ZOMG Bayformer" thing and realized 'while this isn't G1, it is G1, just a completly different take on it' like the comics and cartoon all have been.
The designs, while they aren't big and blocky like in G1, they work for this film. While I love the big blocky robot designs, they just don't work for animation. You can't do as much with a character who can't reach infront of his chest except pose him standing in a sort of crouched position with his arm pointing a gun to the side as he looks towards the camera.
I've tried animating a blocky robot. Used the Cybertron Downshift figrue for a basis on my model. You just can't do what you want to do with a model like that. And as much as I love the Alternators, they really wouldn't work well from a animation standpoint either.
However, with a more sleek design(think classics Mirage) you can do alot more. Which is what these movieformers have.
Another thing that they do incredibly well is the fluid animation, which I said already. The transformation of Starscream was seemingly instantanous. No 5-6 second transformations(of course for Prime and Bumblebee you need those to show the pure awesomeness of the Transformation the first time they do it), it's instantanous, allowing the movieformers to accomplish alot more.
Yes, Bay's films are all "Yarrrrgh HULK SMASH" type films. But then you need to remember. Theres two directors for this movie. Bay does the live action stuff and has ideas and final say on the cg stuff.
But the animation director directs the animators on just what a transformer does. Bay may say "Ok, I want Ironhide to jump over here and fire his gun." The animation director goes and tells the animators, who then spruce it up by having him do a barrelroll across the road and firing his gun.
AbsumZer0 wrote:Senor Hugo wrote:Another thing that they do incredibly well is the fluid animation, which I said already. The transformation of Starscream was seemingly instantanous. No 5-6 second transformations(of course for Prime and Bumblebee you need those to show the pure awesomeness of the Transformation the first time they do it), it's instantanous, allowing the movieformers to accomplish alot more.
Have you looked at the Starscream transformation frame-by-frame? I realize that the framerate might be condensed for the upload but it looks as if they're using motion-blur to 'cheat' during the high-speed transformations. He goes from a jet with arms to a blur to a robot. Bumblebee's hand just appears out of nowhere in one frame. They might have fully-animated the transformation but unless they release the full animation as a dvd extra or something there's really no way the viewer can tell. If they did just use the motion blur as a cheat the transformation really isn't any more fluid or complex than the old G1 cartoons, just a lot faster.
Poor quality frame-by-frame grab:
Senor Hugo wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:Senor Hugo wrote:Another thing that they do incredibly well is the fluid animation, which I said already. The transformation of Starscream was seemingly instantanous. No 5-6 second transformations(of course for Prime and Bumblebee you need those to show the pure awesomeness of the Transformation the first time they do it), it's instantanous, allowing the movieformers to accomplish alot more.
Have you looked at the Starscream transformation frame-by-frame? I realize that the framerate might be condensed for the upload but it looks as if they're using motion-blur to 'cheat' during the high-speed transformations. He goes from a jet with arms to a blur to a robot. Bumblebee's hand just appears out of nowhere in one frame. They might have fully-animated the transformation but unless they release the full animation as a dvd extra or something there's really no way the viewer can tell. If they did just use the motion blur as a cheat the transformation really isn't any more fluid or complex than the old G1 cartoons, just a lot faster.
Poor quality frame-by-frame grab:
Actually, you can look and see that in the first frame, Screamer's arms are popping out, second frame nose cone starts to fold, third frame nose cone folds some more and some other stuff seems to happen. Fourth frame you can't tell, and fifth frame transformation complete.
krisko wrote:if starscream's transformation is cheating because of the motion blur, i guess we shouldn't even think that his speed is the reason for it. look at blackout from the last trailer. look at bumblebee from this trailer. not moving so fast. no motion blur. looks amazing. there you go.
White Convoy wrote:Nice!!! One question, why doe the bee slam his fist on the ground while transforming? Still lookin' forward to the movie.
Senor Hugo wrote:You hear that noise?
Thats the collective sound of the more mature fans realizing just how cool this movie will be.
Seeing Starscream Transform, it was so friggin' fluid. I had to watch it about 4 times now just to see that he was in jet form before doing the gorilla flip onto the bridge or whatever.
AbsumZer0 wrote:krisko wrote:if starscream's transformation is cheating because of the motion blur, i guess we shouldn't even think that his speed is the reason for it. look at blackout from the last trailer. look at bumblebee from this trailer. not moving so fast. no motion blur. looks amazing. there you go.
We haven't seen Blackout actually transform. He starts shifting, then the camera cuts, then he's a robot. Bumblebee's hand seemingly appears out of nowhere in a frame in addition to being completely obscured by darkness. Does this mean all the transformations are going to be 'cheats'? Probably not, and as I said it's quite possible they fully animated a transformation for that scene with Starscream and the blur was a result of the process being sped-up. There's just no way any viewer would know because the 'fluid transformation' that so many people are impressed by is just a blur.
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