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Hot_Rod wrote:

Miken Ayers wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:Orci, I'm suprised you have the nerve to show your face around here! [/quote

Why?

Because he's evil! He's not one of us not being mad about Prime's mouth, because now all of us fanboys will be tempted to put our pee pees in it.

Sigh...

Because he's one of the people accountable! He wrote the dang thing...

Writing the movie is different than designing the movie. I don't have a problem with the story and I hope you guys will be respectful if any of the movie folks come by here. Disliking something doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful of another human being.

Seibertron wrote:

Chris™ wrote:I could have a piece of poop in my signature and it wouldn't matter on my opinon one way or another. Did anyone honestly think that this rendition would be a straight up copy of the old stuff. If that was the case 3000 people would see it, not 300,000.

Where did any of us say that we wanted a straight copy? That's not what I want. Paying respect to what has gone on in the past is totally different than giving us a straight copy. Totally different things.

He's blue and red. I know it's Optimus Prime without having to be told, Peter Cullen's doing his voice. I'd say there's a decent amount of respect given to a fictional character without it being a straight up copy. Yes I had to point out he's not real.

Kalon wrote:And this is one of the many reason I will not pay to see this "film". I'll download it or get a bootleg copy. Bay and Co will not see a dime from me for this piece of crap disguised as a movie.

This sounds like an excuse to not have to pay for the movie. You should pay to see it to support Hasbro. Your $10 isn't going to really make that big of a difference either way. But don't illegally download it. If you want to boycott the movie, just don't see it. But then, don't come here and bitch about the movie that you haven't seen or that you illegally downloaded. As I mentioned above, the movie's fair game for everyone to have an opinion about because it hasn't been released to the public yet. But once that movie is out, illegally downloading the movie or boycotting the movie by not seeing it altogether doesn't give you the right to bitch about the movie anymore.

Miken Ayers wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Chris™ wrote:I could have a piece of poop in my signature and it wouldn't matter on my opinon one way or another. Did anyone honestly think that this rendition would be a straight up copy of the old stuff. If that was the case 3000 people would see it, not 300,000.

Where did any of us say that we wanted a straight copy? That's not what I want. Paying respect to what has gone on in the past is totally different than giving us a straight copy. Totally different things.

He's blue and red. I know it's Optimus Prime without having to be told, Peter Cullen's doing his voice. I'd say there's a decent amount of respect given to a fictional character without it being a straight up copy. Yes I had to point out he's not real.

Ok, just because that feature isn't important to YOU, doesn't me that it's not important to ME. You probably would also be OK with Superman not having the letter "S" on his chest, Batman not having a bat symbol of some sort on his chest or Spiderman wearing a yellow costume. I understand that you aren't concerned about details. I am so please don't discount what's important to me because you're more accepting of a major character design change.

Seibertron wrote:

Miken Ayers wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Chris™ wrote:I could have a piece of poop in my signature and it wouldn't matter on my opinon one way or another. Did anyone honestly think that this rendition would be a straight up copy of the old stuff. If that was the case 3000 people would see it, not 300,000.

Where did any of us say that we wanted a straight copy? That's not what I want. Paying respect to what has gone on in the past is totally different than giving us a straight copy. Totally different things.

He's blue and red. I know it's Optimus Prime without having to be told, Peter Cullen's doing his voice. I'd say there's a decent amount of respect given to a fictional character without it being a straight up copy. Yes I had to point out he's not real.

Ok, just because that feature isn't important to YOU, doesn't me that it's not important to ME. You probably would also be OK with Superman not having the letter "S" on his chest, Batman not having a bat symbol of some sort on his chest or Spiderman wearing a yellow costume. I understand that you aren't concerned about details. I am so please don't discount what's important to me because you're more accepting of a major character design change.

Well if that's what's important to you I'll make a note of this so I can avoid becoming that type of person. I thank you for that.

Hot_Rod wrote:Because he's one of the people accountable! He wrote the dang thing...

And...?

Why does that mean he has nerve to come here?

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:Because he's one of the people accountable! He wrote the dang thing...

And...?

Why does that mean he has nerve to come here?

I dunno. This site's got lunatics for posters and is run by an even bigger one.

Miken Ayers wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Chris™ wrote:I could have a piece of poop in my signature and it wouldn't matter on my opinon one way or another. Did anyone honestly think that this rendition would be a straight up copy of the old stuff. If that was the case 3000 people would see it, not 300,000.

Where did any of us say that we wanted a straight copy? That's not what I want. Paying respect to what has gone on in the past is totally different than giving us a straight copy. Totally different things.

He's blue and red. I know it's Optimus Prime without having to be told, Peter Cullen's doing his voice. I'd say there's a decent amount of respect given to a fictional character without it being a straight up copy. Yes I had to point out he's not real.

OPTIMUS PRIME IS'NT REAL!!??? Oh my god...I've been living a lie.....I don't think I can go on....


Anyway, There are some things that should stay consistent with such an iconic character, period. No Mouths on Prime(especially since hardly none of the other characters have mouths, this, to me, seems like a deliberate dis to the fans), No stupid flames either. Someone said earlier, flames make him look more like a top quality rig...yeah right. I was on the road for a while(many months) and i NEVER EVER saw any rig with flames painted on it, no other designs for that matter, and trust me, i looked. I looked because it was long before any of the designs were seen, even before the script was leaked. I looked at every 18 wheeler i saw, imagining what Optimus Prime might look like in the movie. I saw many diferent colors, and even some with the stripe going aroud the cab. This is supposed to be about "Robots in Disguise", but those flames make him stick out like a sore thumb. Totally stupid idea. I'm not even going to go into how stupid of an idea the mouth is. It just doesn't make any sense.

I'm at work ATM so I don't have the dvds with me to double check so just take this as hearsay for now.

On the Madman DVDs they have More then Meets the Eye with commentary and I THINK (again don't have the dvds on me atm to double check) they mention that Prime only had a faceplate originally due to budget constraints because it's easier to animate. Meaning they don't have to lip sync the animation. So does that mean if they had a bigger budget for the cartoon then Prime would of had lips to begin with????

Bartrim wrote:I'm at work ATM so I don't have the dvds with me to double check so just take this as hearsay for now.

On the Madman DVDs they have More then Meets the Eye with commentary and I THINK (again don't have the dvds on me atm to double check) they mention that Prime only had a faceplate originally due to budget constraints because it's easier to animate. Meaning they don't have to lip sync the animation. So does that mean if they had a bigger budget for the cartoon then Prime would of had lips to begin with????

The original Diaclone figure(long before Transformers as a franchise) had the mouth plate. If they were going to animate his mouth, that probably wouldn't have gone over as well, not matching up with the figure.

nelson_michaelbay_com wrote:

MYoung23 wrote:Nelson remains a prick to the end

Yes, next time I'll shut up and let you find out til you sit your ass in the theater.

In fact, there was some info that i was going to let the online community know about this week regarding the designs of certain TF characters and the reasons for the designs. But I'll let you find out about it when and if it comes out on DVD.

Maybe some of you guys can handle more surprises from left field come 7/4/7.

Well, Nelson, you're doing nothing to disprove the allegation of you being a prick.

I could personally care less about any tidbits you are or aren't divulging. My ass isn't going to be in the theater watching the movie, regardless.

The makers of the film can self-righteously boast and justify all they want to about how their vision of Transformers is the right one and the only one that would look good on the screen. But if they wanted to make the designs look more like the characters they represent and more appealing, they could have. Some people like them; great. I think they look hideous and I'm not going to spend money and subject myself to a couple hours of annoyance. What I fervently hope is that the movie designs don't influence the future of Transformers as a whole. That would be a disgrace.

Miken Ayers wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:Because he's one of the people accountable! He wrote the dang thing...

And...?

Why does that mean he has nerve to come here?

I dunno. This site's got lunatics for posters and is run by an even bigger one.

So now I'm a lunatic because I disagree with things that have been done with the movie? That rationalization doesn't make any sense.

I normally don't comment on a topic like this, but for the 20 years that I have been collecting and following tranformers I have to say that while I am disappointed, I will also say didn't hasbro learn anything from the first movie when they tried something different with the most popular character in the transfromers universe.

Seibertron wrote:

Miken Ayers wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:Because he's one of the people accountable! He wrote the dang thing...

And...?

Why does that mean he has nerve to come here?

I dunno. This site's got lunatics for posters and is run by an even bigger one.

So now I'm a lunatic because I disagree with things that have been done with the movie? That rationalization doesn't make any sense.

Disagreeing is fine. However losing sleep over a freaking faceplate and taking it personally does seem a bit irrational. I guess it's your perogative till you start beating your wife and kids, so I'll let you be.

Hot_Rod wrote:Quote Bay: "If you don't like the choices, fine. And if you do, good for you."

He obviously could care less. I say if you don't like it, do the only thing that matters. Don't pay for it, and don't give him your money for something you don't approve of. If fans just forfiet their money despite still not agreeing with the choices made, they WON'T care that you disagree and will continue in that direction.

In our society the only thing that people listen to is the "CHA-CHING" sound that is money.

Perfect summation. If you hate the choices that much, don't support the film and the product around it. That's what I'm doing. Could the failure of the film hurt Transformers as a whole? I doubt it. The brand has lasted a long time. I'd rather the movie have a lackluster performance and then have Transformers continue on a different path. And if the execs get scared off of Transformers for awhile because the movie doesn't do well, at least we had a good run and I'd rather Transformers end where it's at then continue on a path forward shaped by the film. BUT, I feel fairly certain that the film will do well and sequels will be forthcoming.

Seibertron wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:I don't wish any ill will on the success of the Transformers Movie. I hope that the movie folks are right. I hope that I'm just the rabid fan who has no idea what he's talking about because he's so entwined with the hobby. I hope the movie is a huge success. I hope it makes everyone involved tons of money so that we do all of this over again. I hope that everyone who visits this website will go to see the movie.

Ryan, you're coming off like a passive mouthpiece for Bay. Are you afraid they're not gonna send you a pass for the second film if you diss the first film? You're being a bit dogmatic about getting people to see the movie.

I have to disagree with you. Anyone who is bothered enough by the film should not go see it. It's meaningless to fork your money over just so you can be more informed in talking about it on a message board. I think the visuals are what is angering most detractors and enough of those are available ahead of the movie's release to decide if you like them or not. Sure, the amount of fans that decline to see the movie because of our objections likely won't be enough to sink the film. But if we pay to see something we're certain we'll dislike, THEN we really have less ground on which to stand.

Ryan, dont take my postings the wrong way, I am not in the same boat as that poster that called you a lunatic and is trying to insinuate things as it seems. All I am trying to get across is that in the grand scheme of things this faceplate/mouth issue is very small potatos. As you have stated you have been following and collecting for 23 years, so you have seen it all. There's been things done right, and things done wrong but transformers in some form or another seems to bounce back. I am still saying these things are trivial probably because I am a more passive fan or it may simply be that in the end it doesnt matter if he's got a mouth. What matters is how the story comes across to that new generation of fans that this may bring in and hopefully allow all of the completist and casual fan alike to collect for another 23 years. The people calling Nelson a prick, and question why Orci is posting here, you are the reason that Bay and hollywood and public in general think that fanbases are over the top and don't show you the respect you think that you deserve. I was brought back into the fold of transformers upon hearing about this movie being made and seeing concept designs and I liked them and got more and more interested. I have seen the styles that the other shows were done in and I can honestly say that after Beast Machines I had no interest in the newer shows because for one I don't like the kiddie anime styles that I saw. So i appreciate the fact that this movie is being made simply on the basis that it will allow me to remember my childhood and think back and say this is how you make a live action transformers movie.

P.S. When I had my G1 reissue optimus in or around 90/91 (because I wasnt lucky enough to get an original) the last thing on my mind was primes mouth simply because I was more interested in doing what it was called. Transforming the damn thing.

Roberto Orci wrote:I dare you not to go see the movie. I dare you to spend all your money on parts 3, 4, and 5 of every other dopey summer sequel and not see the only original, groundbreaking, never before seen spectacle that is going to be the first live action Transformers.

I double dare you.

LOL, now I feel guilty if I insulted you. I applaud your sense of humor, though. But I am sorry to say that I just don't feel a pull to see the film and I'd rather not bother. If it's any consolation, it's mainly the designs that are turning me off.

Actors with mouths that cannot emote:

Keanu


Halle


I have more if you need some.

Summation: One does not need a mouth to show emotion, and if one has a mouth, that does not guarantee emotion will be shown.

Miken Ayers wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Miken Ayers wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Hot_Rod wrote:Because he's one of the people accountable! He wrote the dang thing...

And...?

Why does that mean he has nerve to come here?

I dunno. This site's got lunatics for posters and is run by an even bigger one.

So now I'm a lunatic because I disagree with things that have been done with the movie? That rationalization doesn't make any sense.

Disagreeing is fine. However losing sleep over a freaking faceplate and taking it personally does seem a bit irrational. I guess it's your perogative till you start beating your wife and kids, so I'll let you be.

I am lost with your logic. Because he openly disagreed with a decision about something he is passionate about makes him a lunatic? And the statement about its his perogative till you start beating his wife and kids is out of left field. The last I checked people have opinions and they can be expressed and just because you may not agree with them does not make them a lunatic.

One thing I do not understand are all the attacks at Roberto Orci for posting in this thread. He has been kind enough to stop by this forum on more than one occasion and answer questions without talking down to us like some others involved in this movie have.