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by **AbsumZer0** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:58 pm

Tex Hex wrote:This makes sense because it fits with the rest of the transformers because they all have mouths.

And yes, the robots do need to convey emotion because this is a live action movie. It is a whole different ball game from the cartoon. I'm pretty sure humans in real life have alot more movement on their face than humans in a cartoon do. Same goes for "robot life". If these robots aren't just uncompromising drones, and can feel, relate to and become friends with a human, feel the need to protect other life forms; they have feelings, a sense of right and wrong and free will. They need to be expressive of all that. And don't give me the Darth Vader crap because he didn't comvey any emotion at all except through voice. He always looked sad because that was how his mask was built.

But this post will probably get slammed because it was written by someone who's maturity level isn't still back in the 80's watching the cartoon on TV. Face it, you'll never have the pilot episode of G1 in live action. It will not happen. Ever. And unfortunately, that is the only thing that would make you babies happy.

....what?

by **ScorpoMax** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:01 am

[quote="IronhidenshAll else aside, there is no way in hell a pirate could kick a ninja's ass.

Unless he's Chuck Norris dressed up for Holloween.[/quote]

How do you know? Have you ever seen a ninja and a pirate actually fight?

by **DesalationReborn** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:10 am

ScorpoMax wrote:[quote="IronhidenshAll else aside, there is no way in hell a pirate could kick a ninja's ass.

Unless he's Chuck Norris dressed up for Holloween.

How do you know? Have you ever seen a ninja and a pirate actually fight?

[/quote]

Actually, yes:

http://www.drmcninja.com/page.php?issue=2 (warning: long storyline ensues)

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Wed May 09, 2007 2:26 am

Chris™ wrote:Thats what the rule is Paragon. If it is for individual usage then its not illegal

Quite.

by **Lycantendencies** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:59 am

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:I was under the understanding that it's not illegal to tape things for your own purposes as long as you don't make copies with intent to distribute, which is what file sharing and downloading is.

Recording from TV or radio is still unauthorised copying of someone elses copyright material.
By that same token leanding or borrowing a cassette or CD is technically illegal.
The same fuss we have now, we had then.

The difference was that back then video recordings were inferior, no substitute, and I *think* that the RIAA took a percentage of all blank cassettes (audio at least) on the basis that they couldn't fight everyone, but needed some kind of compensation for losses due to this form of piracy.

If you ever recorded anything, lent a video, cassette, CD or DVD, made a mix tape for a loved one, or a copy of anything for a friend, or even downlaoded an image posted without the copyright owner's consent, such as fan made wallpapers, you're in no position to call those who download 'cos you're breaking the exact same laws.

by **Mechanurgist** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:04 am

I really don't understand why the movie producers would want to change a winning formula, especially since no-one wanted it that way. What is the rationale behind all these "change for change's sake" decisions?

Well, it's a minor thing in the end, and I'm just happy that Cullen is here to reprise the voice.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:42 pm

What is the winning formula, though?

Put it this way: if someone broadcast an episode of the G1 cartoon (or any of the other TF cartoons) to an audience of adults and average movie goers, would they be enchanted by the magic of Transformers? I suspect not. I suspect they have made changes to appeal to the broadest possible audience.

by **Lycantendencies** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:00 pm

Leonardo wrote:What is the winning formula, though?

That's simple.

There were plenty of mech shows around when Transformers went from nothing to global success.
Therefore the winning formula is what was unique to that line.

The diaclone/microman design style, the back story and mythos, the realistic characters that the mythos allowed.
Basically the things that differentiated it from Gobots or Gundam or Macross.

I actually like mouth Prime, but many of the film's changes make it a little less unique and a little more like everything else.

by **Spoon** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:04 pm

/care
I lost my interest in this movie 300 days ago. Only thing left to do is torrent this movie and see how badly they fokked up the whole thing.

The diaclone/microman design style, the back story and mythos, the realistic characters that the mythos allowed.
Basically the things that differentiated it from Gobots or Gundam or Macross.

Having recently watched the old school Macross I just have to make a small comment on that.
The appeal of Transformers was the fact that average day cars transformed into big sentient robots. Robotech (which is the bad americanized version of macross) only has transforming planes (with pilots). Now most people don't have a plane parked in front of their house and/or are capable pilots. So it's easier for most people to indentify themselves with transformers over robotech.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:22 pm

Lycanthropictendencies wrote:
Leonardo wrote:What is the winning formula, though?

That's simple.

There were plenty of mech shows around when Transformers went from nothing to global success.
Therefore the winning formula is what was unique to that line.

The diaclone/microman design style, the back story and mythos, the realistic characters that the mythos allowed.
Basically the things that differentiated it from Gobots or Gundam or Macross.

I actually like mouth Prime, but many of the film's changes make it a little less unique and a little more like everything else.

In what way, though? What did any of the previous TF series have that this film lacks? If Transformers was unique before, why isn't this movie unique? What has changed?

We don't really know much about the movie's backstory or characters yet. The leaked script was awful, but as an early draft it's likely to have changed. The prequel comics have certainly put the story and characters in a good light, I'd say. At least, they were as good as any TF fiction before them.

by **The Paragon of Virtue** » Wed May 09, 2007 5:29 pm

Lycanthropictendencies wrote:Recording from TV or radio is still unauthorised copying of someone elses copyright material.
By that same token leanding or borrowing a cassette or CD is technically illegal.
The same fuss we have now, we had then.

The difference was that back then video recordings were inferior, no substitute, and I *think* that the RIAA took a percentage of all blank cassettes (audio at least) on the basis that they couldn't fight everyone, but needed some kind of compensation for losses due to this form of piracy.

If you ever recorded anything, lent a video, cassette, CD or DVD, made a mix tape for a loved one, or a copy of anything for a friend, or even downlaoded an image posted without the copyright owner's consent, such as fan made wallpapers, you're in no position to call those who download 'cos you're breaking the exact same laws.

Citation? I said what was my understanding, and I still can't find anything that says you can't make one copy for your own personal use as long as you do not make/sell copies to others.

edit: And I am only referring to in the United States.

edit 2: At the very least, the law in regard to VCRs and recording of television is basically impossible to enforce and is generally ignored.

by **Lycantendencies** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:07 pm

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:I said what was my understanding, and I still can't find anything that says you can't make one copy for your own personal use as long as you do not make/sell copies to others.

Chill man, I wasn't having a go.

Most copyright's such as at the beginning or end of many films state that you cannot copy, edit, blah, blah, blah.
Same with music; it states that no unauthorised reproduction is permitted.
At least over in the UK.

The personal use thing is a loophole that "allows" people to make a copy, and is the same thing that game, music and video pirates say allows them to do what they do; fair use policies.

However, this isn't cut and dry either way and is open to interpretation.
Afterall, if it was your legal right to make a back up copy, all the anti piracy measures that prevent that would be an infringement.

But they're not.

News Credits: 23 · by **1337W422102** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:47 am

Hot_Rod wrote:Did they change Spidermans costume? No. Absolutely not. Did it still work? Like a charm!

Actually, they did, but the changes were nowhere near drastic enough to make him unrecognizable. If anything, the 'scale' pattern, the silver lines, the different spider logos and the shiny eyes added to the already iconic costume.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:03 pm

Hot_Rod wrote:C)That is still yet to be seen for certain. But as for many here, it will.

Well, too bad for those extreme few. It is their loss. However, they make up such an extremely small portion of the people who this movie is for that they simply don't matter.

That's the cold hard truth. Not a single fan could see this movie, and it'll still do damned well.

by **Spoon** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:17 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:That's the cold hard truth. Not a single fan could see this movie, and it'll still do damned well.

That's assuming quite a bit...

by **kornboy1975** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:02 pm

I just read the prequel comic books which said they were "official". In them Bumblebee can't talk after his voice box is crushed,does this mean he will not speak in the movie?

by **Emperor Primacron the 1st** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:02 pm

Spoon wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:That's the cold hard truth. Not a single fan could see this movie, and it'll still do damned well.
That's assuming quite a bit...

He tends to do that alot. :lol:

News Credits: 2 · by **Phategod1** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:31 pm

kornboy1975 wrote:I just read the prequel comic books which said they were "official". In them Bumblebee can't talk after his voice box is crushed,does this mean he will not speak in the movie?

man are you late he comunicates with the radio a la Christine.