Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
For me this is a 2-sided problem. 99.99% of the fandom considers the 1984 cartoon series "G1" and the start of it all. However, for me when the phrase "Generation 1" is mentioned, I think of the comic 1st, then the toys, and finally the cartoon. So even though I don't get so upset about the modern-day obsession with G1 that HasTak seems to have, I do get irked as well that they're slaves to the animation designs. Case in point: Legacy Menasor. I'm in the vast minority, but I'm all about comic book appearances, especially the profile pictures, and I do get frustrated with the G1 comics getting barely any attention. And no, IDW is NOT G1. It's G1-inspired. Like most other parts of the brand.Aladar The Outmode wrote:The near constant reliance on the sacred toy commercial that is g1.
Agreed. They should have been kept to their unique designs. G1 ended in 1991.The lack of faithful recreation of designs from prime and animated in legacy (not asking for 1:1 but they NEED to match the series style and not be assimilated into g1)
Disagree. Collectors get a small amount of attention, mostly in Selects and Studio Series. The overabundance is on the rest of the pegs and shelves, with crap that not even parents of little kids buy for them. Stuff that ends up on clearance aisles and eventually in the city dump.The over abundance of collector focused crap clogging up the shelves in stores
For me personally this is a problem on a figure by figure basis. Figures with extra gimmicks should be fun, but basic figures with nothing extra can be involving only to a certain extent. Don't forget that these are mass-produced pieces and profit is always the top priority. Otherwise we'll start seeing deluxe-sized figures at voyager prices (I.e. SS86 Hot Rod) as the norm rather than the exception.The DiSpLaY and ArTiCuLaTiOn philosophy being the primary focus rather than the fun factor like it used to be
Agreed, but again: profit.The lack of affordability
Again I agree, but it's basic supply and demand.The aftermarket pricing for older figures
Once again, corporate respects one thing only: profit.And finally the lack of genuine respect for anything outside of the allspark forsaken STC by corporate
Rodimus Prime wrote:For me this is a 2-sided problem. 99.99% of the fandom considers the 1984 cartoon series "G1" and the start of it all. However, for me when the phrase "Generation 1" is mentioned, I think of the comic 1st, then the toys, and finally the cartoon. So even though I don't get so upset about the modern-day obsession with G1 that HasTak seems to have, I do get irked as well that they're slaves to the animation designs. Case in point: Legacy Menasor. I'm in the vast minority, but I'm all about comic book appearances, especially the profile pictures, and I do get frustrated with the G1 comics getting barely any attention. And no, IDW is NOT G1. It's G1-inspired. Like most other parts of the brand.Aladar The Outmode wrote:The near constant reliance on the sacred toy commercial that is g1.Agreed. They should have been kept to their unique designs. G1 ended in 1991.The lack of faithful recreation of designs from prime and animated in legacy (not asking for 1:1 but they NEED to match the series style and not be assimilated into g1)Disagree. Collectors get a small amount of attention, mostly in Selects and Studio Series. The overabundance is on the rest of the pegs and shelves, with crap that not even parents of little kids buy for them. Stuff that ends up on clearance aisles and eventually in the city dump.The over abundance of collector focused crap clogging up the shelves in storesFor me personally this is a problem on a figure by figure basis. Figures with extra gimmicks should be fun, but basic figures with nothing extra can be involving only to a certain extent. Don't forget that these are mass-produced pieces and profit is always the top priority. Otherwise we'll start seeing deluxe-sized figures at voyager prices (I.e. SS86 Hot Rod) as the norm rather than the exception.The DiSpLaY and ArTiCuLaTiOn philosophy being the primary focus rather than the fun factor like it used to beAgreed, but again: profit.The lack of affordabilityAgain I agree, but it's basic supply and demand.The aftermarket pricing for older figuresOnce again, corporate respects one thing only: profit.And finally the lack of genuine respect for anything outside of the allspark forsaken STC by corporate
I agree that Kingdom was a waste. A frivolous "We need a Magnus toy out on the anniversary... but don't have a spare Commander slot to do an actual improved version so we'll just do a dodgy retool of SIEGE". Having got SIEGE, I eschewed Kingdom in favor of waiting for a Commander-class toy, and my patience has been rewarded.Gauntlet101010 wrote:Agree with some disagree with others.
Personally, I'm tired of the same old faces all the time and I'm tired of the quickly updated toys we've gotten lately. I remember touching on this when Commander Magnus was revealed and not getting much sympathy, but I feel burned out on a lot of these characters. And it kinda sucks because this is my era; it's the one I'm most invested in. But they way they've handled it has really gotten my goat. And it's not just him, but a LOT is pointed to by him.
So Siege came out and replaced CW Magnus. Fair enough, it was a very different take on the character. Not ... quite what I was looking for, but who knows how long it'll be until we get a new one, right?
Not long at all! Kingdom comes out replacing Siege. Better bot mode, but vehicle mode is kinda meh. But it's a leader class and seems to be the last we'll hear from Magnus. Right?
Nope! Commander class, baby! At last, it seems they can't do any better. We're done. But, instead of a triumph, I feel like Kingdom was just a waste. A waste among a sea of waste.
Uh... 1. Galvatron and Arcee weren't in SIEGE, and 2. Ironhide and Soundwave are the only two mentioned there where "Earth Mode enough" is applicable.Gauntlet101010 wrote:But it isn't just Ultra Magnus. Ironhide, Arcee, Rumble, Soundwave, Starscream, Galvatron. Just off the top of my head. How many people bought Siege because those guys were "Earth mode enough"? I remember that being tossed around a lot until they were remolded.
Indeed (he was an exclusive, but still). Especially since SS86 Ironhide was just "Earthrise with an integrated roof" (which itself feels kinda wasteful, but still).Gauntlet101010 wrote:Like we don't need to see Ultra Magnus, Ironhide, or Arcee all the time. If these characters couldn't be done right, then leave them on the shelf. Don't release them. Make something well thought out and release that! It would have been okay if Ironhide was skipped in Earthrise.
Dunno that Cyberverse is a valid inclusion in that list. What are you, the Hasbro exec who said "No Animated Cyclonus because Universe Cyclonus is close enough"? But I agree that the Earthrise reissue in Kingdom wasn't needed and arguably ER Arcee herself probably wasn't either.Gauntlet101010 wrote:We did not need Studio, Kingdom, and Cyberverse Arcee all released at the same time.
Eh... Only if they're not done dirty.Gauntlet101010 wrote:Anyway, I'm glad we'll be seeing new characters in Legacy. Let some other characters and designs get some love.
Case in point.Gauntlet101010 wrote:I agree wholeheartedly on not matching Prime aesthetic for Prime characters. They G1-ified those guys way too much.
Given that Unicron Trilogy stuff harmonizes aesthetically with G1 aesthetically I don't know that I'd call those two "assimilation", any more than you could say that of TR Sky Shadow (quasi-right figure made to get more mileage out of a mold) or Timelines Breakdown (headswap redeco that doesn't really match the character aside from head and colors). They're definitely crappy representations though.Aladar The Outmode wrote:I've been irked by the assimilation game since siege with galaxy upgrade prime and hot shot
Mind you, Classics was a B-list or even C-list filler line at the time; it didn't dominate the shelves. Agreed about wanting him to match, though. How much do you think a new head would help the Legacy figure?Aladar The Outmode wrote:of course by my own admission I'm an aesthetic purist but it doesn't change if you gonna give me animated Prowl he WILL match animated without the dumbass blocky bullshit we've had since oh I dunno off the top of my head classics
G1 stuff in CHUG+ I don't mind, since that's what CHUG+ was created for, but I agree with you about hating the assimilations. And it would be nice if new-series lines got more space (especially Earthspark) and GEEWUN stopped infecting other lanes.Aladar The Outmode wrote:when it comes to the oh so precious collector focused generation line (again not dunking on you if you enjoy it just sick and tired of it myself) the more I see of the stupid g1 stuff and the assimilations the less I'm willing to take anything less than go back to how things were during armada where the collector focused stuff was high end exclusively and the fun actually good stuff was all on retail
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
But it isn't just Ultra Magnus. Ironhide, Arcee, Rumble, Soundwave, Starscream, Galvatron. Just off the top of my head. How many people bought Siege because those guys were "Earth mode enough"? I remember that being tossed around a lot until they were remolded.
Uh... 1. Galvatron and Arcee weren't in SIEGE, and 2. Ironhide and Soundwave are the only two mentioned there where "Earth Mode enough" is applicable.
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