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by **BATTOUSAIXD** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:55 pm

I'm glad to see Peter Cullen is returning. I do hope they tone down Prime's eagerness for violence a little bit though. I'm fine with him being a warrior and all but I'd rather ripping heads and appendages off be a last resort and not hear him say "Give me your face," "We'll kill them all," and "You die!" So, basically how he was in the first movie.

I don't know why they haven't just said it is a sequel all along. It's obviously not a reboot and if it picks up from Chicago, then it doesn't seem to be a reinvention or whatever else has been suggested. Anyway I'm all for another movie(s), though I doubt any will be better than the first for me, it got me back interested in Transformers and into collecting in general. And I'm ready to hear some info on the premise and villians of TF 4!

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:01 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The only problems with the franchise now are due to the global economic situation and Hasbro's mind boggling incompetence. You can't find a Vehicon? Then ask Hasbro why they put an awesome figure that also happens to be an army builder 1 per case. The deluxe figures are getting smaller and more expensive? So is everything else.

The other thing you need to factor in too is change in buying habits.

A lot of people are moving their shopping online. Shopping for your kid? Do it from home, you don't have to go running from store to store to find a particular toy, or worse, have to drag the kids along and let them see what they're getting.

People seem to forget all this and just scream "BAY IS TEH EVIL!". Get over it people and look at the bigger picture.

by **User897** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:32 am

So it's just going to be more of the same old **** with flashy "new" characters to try and distract us into liking it. Again.

I'm so glad I sold off all of my movie toys.

Aside from Masterpiece Optimus Prime, Masterpiece Soundwave, and maybe one or two others, it looks like I'm going to continue saving a lot of money. Between what HasBLO is doing to Star Wars and Transformers, and more Bay crap on the way, I can concentrate on getting good toys.

News Credits: 1 · by **SKYWARPED_128** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:50 am

MINDVVIPE wrote:
reluctantyouth wrote::michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.

I'd like to see Galvatron, but only if he is done right.
Also would love to see the following:

Dinobots
Insecticons
Headmasters
Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme

I agree with the majority of what you guys say, but the "kill Bumblebee" thing might not be feasible.

Hasbro might be reluctant to kill off Bumblebee, who (they think, at least) is a massive cash cow and by now an iconic kid appeal character.

I've like to see and end to Bee, though. As much as I like his updated design in the movie, his radio voice thing is really starting to get old. Especially now that it's starting to influence the other mediums like the Prime series and video games.

MINDVVIPE wrote:As someone mentioned, they need a Transformers CGI movie that spawned from the story writers from HIGH MOON, and maybe the author of the books, as I've heard good things about them.

If only.

Bay loves to do his comedy thing, and the WFC/FOC and novels are pretty somber and serious. His brand of jokes might not blend in too well with the kind of story the games and novels tell.

Just my two cents' worth.

by **redoutlander** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:54 am

BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm glad to see Peter Cullen is returning. I do hope they tone down Prime's eagerness for violence a little bit though. I'm fine with him being a warrior and all but I'd rather ripping heads and appendages off be a last resort and not hear him say "Give me your face," "We'll kill them all," and "You die!" So, basically how he was in the first movie.

I don't know why they haven't just said it is a sequel all along. It's obviously not a reboot and if it picks up from Chicago, then it doesn't seem to be a reinvention or whatever else has been suggested. Anyway I'm all for another movie(s), though I doubt any will be better than the first for me, it got me back interested in Transformers and into collecting in general. And I'm ready to hear some info on the premise and villians of TF 4!

You hit it there! I think that that Prime loosing his boy scout hero to a fault personality hurt me the most. The Prime I know would bend down and give Megatron a hand up after a fight. But i learned that Bayformers isn't the Transformers I grew up with. It's another story that happens to be based on Transformers. It's the same thing Hollywood does with all material. it was the 2007 movie that got me back into Transformers (or at least the initial pre movie buzz) and I think more fans are good. I just feel that there could be wiser choices made if the responsible parties focused on something a little more honorable than the bottom line.

News Credits: 1 · by **SKYWARPED_128** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:00 am

BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm glad to see Peter Cullen is returning. I do hope they tone down Prime's eagerness for violence a little bit though. I'm fine with him being a warrior and all but I'd rather ripping heads and appendages off be a last resort and not hear him say "Give me your face," "We'll kill them all," and "You die!" So, basically how he was in the first movie.

QFT. That said, I'd rather not see him get thrown around like a bitch, like in the first movie. He should hold his own and fight fiercely, but with a visible reluctance. Like any hero, he should reflect on the death of his enemy and wish it didn't have to come to this, which the first movie got right, except it shouldn't have been fricking Sam who offed Megs.

In short, I'd like to see him emulate the Optimus in the video games, instead of collecting faces.

Another thing I'd like to add is that if Bay is going to include the military in the film as NEST forces, at least have them bond a little with their Cybertronian allies, like hanging out or something. Sam seems to be the only one who has any form of relationship with the TF's at all.

I don't like that Lennox keeps calling the TF's "things" in DOTM either.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:41 am

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'd rather not see him get thrown around like a bitch, like in the first movie. He should hold his own and fight fiercely, but with a visible reluctance. Like any hero, he should reflect on the death of his enemy and wish it didn't have to come to this, which the first movie got right, except it shouldn't have been fricking Sam who offed Megs.

The way the game ended was much better. First he beat Megatron and then...
Personally I prefer it when Optimus is kicking ass and taking faces. It makes the Decepticons seems so much more evil. Here's a guy who has shown immense compassion to the human race, treating them as equals and sacrificing himself to protect them. But when he reacts so violently toward the Decepticons it tells me he's seen the horrible things they're capable of and how dangerous they can be when left unchallenged. Kinda like what makes the Joker a great villain. He's able to bring out the worst in Batman.

News Credits: 1 · by **SKYWARPED_128** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:00 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'd rather not see him get thrown around like a bitch, like in the first movie. He should hold his own and fight fiercely, but with a visible reluctance. Like any hero, he should reflect on the death of his enemy and wish it didn't have to come to this, which the first movie got right, except it shouldn't have been fricking Sam who offed Megs.

The way the game ended was much better. First he beat Megatron and then...
Personally I prefer it when Optimus is kicking ass and taking faces. It makes the Decepticons seems so much more evil. Here's a guy who has shown immense compassion to the human race, treating them as equals and sacrificing himself to protect them. But when he reacts so violently toward the Decepticons it tells me he's seen the horrible things they're capable of and how dangerous they can be when left unchallenged. Kinda like what makes the Joker a great villain. He's able to bring out the worst in Batman.

You present a very good point, there.

Personally, the only problem I have with DOTM is that OP should have seemed more reluctant in killing Sentinel. Regardless of the fact that Sentinel betrayed the Autobots and was willing to enslave the humans, this is Optimus's mentor and old friend. It's like your best friend going rogue and planning to blow up your school/workplace. You know you have to do it, but you don't want to, despite how far he's fallen.

OP didn't display that reluctance.

Worse, the solution to that was already built into the story: Ironhide's death. That would have snapped OP out of his reluctance. And a simple line in the end like, "This is for Ironhide," would have served to illustrate that for the audience.

And yeah, the first movie would have been perfect if it used the ending from the video game. But as is happens, Mr. Spielberg insisted it was Sam's story, and wanted him to finish Megs off.

News Credits: 21 · by **dragons** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:31 am

Burn wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:The only problems with the franchise now are due to the global economic situation and Hasbro's mind boggling incompetence. You can't find a Vehicon? Then ask Hasbro why they put an awesome figure that also happens to be an army builder 1 per case. The deluxe figures are getting smaller and more expensive? So is everything else.

The other thing you need to factor in too is change in buying habits.

A lot of people are moving their shopping online. Shopping for your kid? Do it from home, you don't have to go running from store to store to find a particular toy, or worse, have to drag the kids along and let them see what they're getting.

People seem to forget all this and just scream "BAY IS TEH EVIL!". Get over it people and look at the bigger picture.

poeple need realize half people who shop online is for gas prices to expensive drive to store to store but its cheaper when you add on shipping costs to shop online i can understand if that person has busy schedual works 8am to 11pm shopping online would be an option for half people,
but other half people who shop online are plain lazy thats where netflix, gamefly, buying online, dating online comes in people rather do more online that get out meet intersting people in ther area have common interst.

other memeber dont feel like serching i agrre with that memeber dont put bumblebee in every series repaint most wanted figures need to buy online or dont find with less quantity in selection i ave up loking for vehicon in stores had buy it online which i hate i like to hunt them down meet people help out other customers in store whic employees have no clue what there customer is looking for half time ( bumblebee, & prime are shelf warmers )

by **noctorro** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:04 pm

I can't wait for the next TF film.

I just hope the toys are screen accurate and have the right weapons.
The first movie line was very well done, same for the second accept they forgot to make 2 or 3 more constructicons (who have bot modes). DOTM was the best movie imho, but the movie line the worst. I really wanted a Leader Megatron/Shockwave.

I don't agree with the whole story about how the movies destroyed Transformers. It was pretty sad series wise with the Unicron Trilogy. I heard because it was made by japanese it was aimed at a younger audience.

Great to hear Mr. Cullen is onboard. I'd love to see Optimus Prime in a new rendition. Hopefully they pay attention to The Avengers, The Dark Knight and of course Fall Of Cybertron to make a better movie then DOTM. One should always try to improve.

And yess it could've been worse, if Mr. Uwe Boll got his hands on the franchise we'd all weep. My gawd, Bloodrayne could've been so cool. Kinda like Underworld but a bit more comic like and sexy and with more humor.

Now should I still get a deluxe Leadfoot? The thing is expensive as sin.

by **noctorro** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:08 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'd rather not see him get thrown around like a bitch, like in the first movie. He should hold his own and fight fiercely, but with a visible reluctance. Like any hero, he should reflect on the death of his enemy and wish it didn't have to come to this, which the first movie got right, except it shouldn't have been fricking Sam who offed Megs.

The way the game ended was much better. First he beat Megatron and then...
Personally I prefer it when Optimus is kicking ass and taking faces. It makes the Decepticons seems so much more evil. Here's a guy who has shown immense compassion to the human race, treating them as equals and sacrificing himself to protect them. But when he reacts so violently toward the Decepticons it tells me he's seen the horrible things they're capable of and how dangerous they can be when left unchallenged. Kinda like what makes the Joker a great villain. He's able to bring out the worst in Batman.

Good stuff, good stuff.

I also like the ROTF ending, the game was great and the story in it as well.
At the end of the Decepticon campaign The Fallen turns on Megatron, when I first saw that I thought that The Fallen thought Megatron was also a Prime.
Since Optimus said something like "you left me no choice brother" in the first movie.
I also really like that it was pushed forward that Megatron was trying to save Cybertron and not be a mindless villain who just wanted to troll and kill others.

by **XDMan** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:55 pm

As long as Prime is in his G1 colors and has a permanent mouthplate, we could deal with that.

by **noctorro** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:39 pm

piano mouth was a bit strange

I don't mind the design very much, but a more solid windshield chestplate and no "cool" flames would be nice.

News Credits: 1 · by **Bubbah** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:22 pm

It's not that I hate the movies, they're decent movies ... But do we really need Wheelie humping someone's leg, Jetfire farting, closeups of a metallic tail coming from Alice's backside, etc? I have no problem with an increase in popularaity, unless it's popular for the same reason Jersey Shore is popular haha. We all know the movies aren't perfect, but they're entertaining. My problem is with Bay doing the same thing over and over claiming this is what the fandom wants. I'm sorry, but most fans would rather see a High Moon scripted movie than a Bay film any day of the week. But I do agree, things like death theats against Bay for flames on Prime, etc are over the top. All fandoms have extremes on both sides. Ours has Bay haters, Bay lovers and those in the middle. But we all have one thing in common, we love our franchise and want the best for it.

News Credits: 1 · by **Sodan-1** » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:31 pm

Michael Bay wrote:And someone could come in here and screw it up, you know?

News Credits: 1 · by **Kiracon** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:03 am

Here's how I see it. Came to me in a dream last night. Transformers 4: Rescue Bots' the movie. Justin Beiber as Cody Burns. All new cast, Optimus Prime returns, for the first 15 mins of the movie.

by **redoutlander** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:28 pm

Kiracon wrote:Here's how I see it. Came to me in a dream last night. Transformers 4: Rescue Bots' the movie. Justin Beiber as Cody Burns. All new cast, Optimus Prime returns, for the first 15 mins of the movie.

Don't forget random jailbait girl, and bubble bee get's his voice back with his new one liner "F*(& this $#%+".

News Credits: 1 · by **Sodan-1** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:16 am

T-Macksimus wrote:...people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.

Lol. I'm pretty sure the rest of society wouldn't give a crap if we Transformers fans had our own civil war in which we caved each others skulls in with Fortress Maximus and RoTF Devastators.