The Energon Pub

Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:07 am

I don't know about the rest of you, but I currently have a 36% mission win percentage and am feeling a bit discouraged.

What is especially discouraging to me is that a simple solution to our problem has been presented, and yet it seems to be ignored and the problem allowed to worsen. Basically, at certain times of the day we just plain are outnumbered in active players, meaning we can't fill a side of 6 in our missions. Worse, the Cons can generate missions against us, so they can actually create more missions we can possibly fill. They fill them all, meaning that those players get 100 free XP, 50 free energon, an extra boost to their win percentage AND can immediately put their undamaged bot in another mission. This gives them a level of XP production we just can't match. Heck, as I type this every single one of MY bots is in CR. Seems a little unfair.

We need to get OS to reduce our missions against the G1 factions to 4v4 (we often can't get a full six, but we can almost always get at least 4); we also need OS to make it so the G1 factions can't generate our missions, so that they can't get that free XP and spread our already thin forces even thinner trying to fill those missions.

Anyone willing to help me petition OS to finally do something before we the XP gap between us and the Cons becomes so big we pretty much get buried?

Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:38 am

I'll gladly sign this. I totally agree with you. Let the bots and cons generate against each other only. Let beasties generate anything but make it 4x4.

My win % is the same as yours but I quit worrying about that anymore. If I get good xp then I'm content. Most of my bots seem to get 200xp in most any mission unless it's one of the dreaded 1 or 2 on 6 missions.

Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:09 pm

I'll gladly sign this as well. I have a 44% mission win at the current moment. There have been times that every single one of my bots were in the CR Chamber...

We really need the 4x4 missions. It seems like the 'cons are killing us in every mission agaisnt them.

Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:51 pm

I'm at 27% win on missions and 237 kills (.02\day). As for the mission reduction number, it sounds like a good idea and would probably be possible to implement but not really sure on if OS has the time to do things like that. We also should remember that some of the other Mods have abilities to create new missions at least text wise. I always preferred the tag team missions but those got removed and probably won't come back. My main concern is how stable HMW is at the moment and I know that Ike was the cause of the wipe. We can try this but I do know that OS is trying to play with the alt rotator last I knew. I'll try to catch Mkall and see what is going on right now because I would imgaine that OS is up to his eyeballs in stuff.

Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:27 pm

Same thing here - 23% success in missions, and mostly due to being outnumbered 6 to 1 most of the time - when I'm in a mission that's balanced number-wise, I usually do pretty good for XP, even in the missions I lose. Actually, my best missions XP-wise are all missions I've lost, since my level 0 bots are often facing off against a full team of level 1 decepticons.

Cutting the numbers down to 4/4 and stopping the massive flood of G1 generated missions (which turn up empty or one entry on our side 90% of the time) would do a lot to fix that. I've noticed that the pred. missions are a lot rarer than decepticon ones - are they having the same problem as us? There's a total of four pred's and one maximal in the top 100, and only two autobots in the top 50.

Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:14 pm

I'll sign the petition as well. In all of my missions, I'm outnumbered so badly that the mission isn't a fight, it's target practice for the Decepticons and Autobots.

News Credits: 1 · Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:05 pm

When I first started playing, the bots were outnumbered pretty much at all times during the day at all levels. This might be something that will correct itself in time. If it doesn't, then I'm sure we can explore alternative routes to balance the factions.

Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:17 pm

I will sign on as well.

In my opinion though, we don't exactly need 4on4 missions, just to reduce the number of missions generated. Because i often see MaxVsPred full on both sides, yet not the same against the Cons. My idea would be to try not letting the Cons generate missions against us so easily and often, and if that works, it works. If it doesn't then try the 4on4 missions.

I don't know my win % off the top of my head, but i know its not any better. Even in outnumbered missions though, i'm earning upwards of 200-300 XP on average.

P.S. Crazyfists, thumbs up on the sig, terrible what happened to him and that whole situation.

Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:37 pm

I just got a message from Mkall on YIM. He will be dedicating Friday night to HMW and will be adding new missions and whatever else he can do to help things out in the short term. I understand the Cons are the most powerful faction for a good reason. They have more dedicated\addicted players but they also play smarter and better organized. We can take two of those three advantages and try make them our own.

Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:39 am

*Signed*

I think 4vs4 will encourage us to send our guys in outnumber missions more since it be more likely to get filled up on our side. I usually throw mine in on 2vs6 and sometimes 1vs6 if the latter has more then 5 min left. Usually get like 1-2 more in those cases so its like 3-4vs6 as the end result. Think normally players see that lopsided mission(not 0vs6 gave up on those after first couple of days) and immediately look elsewhere, but in fact if less did that we would get more even fights. Although this does apply to all factions which is funny how even Cons won't get brave for those despite number/xp advantage sometimes.

On other note 38% here.

crazyfists wrote:When I first started playing, the bots were outnumbered pretty much at all times during the day at all levels. This might be something that will correct itself in time. If it doesn't, then I'm sure we can explore alternative routes to balance the factions.

Big difference there, Bots got the numbers though. Can't recall exactly but they either have as many or even more players then Cons do. That was probably just a bad few days of lack of getting the word out. Guess you could say same for beasts too, but I doubt we be getting that big of a swarm of new guys.

Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:14 am

Note I'm only hoping the G1 missions are reduced to 4v4. The Pred missions I think should be left at 6v6. We CAN fill 6v6 missions, just not all the time, and since the Preds have the same numbers we do, those missions are pretty much fine as they are.

Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:09 pm

If you want "exact" numbers, here they are at the moment. Bots 313, Cons 236, Preds 68, Maximals 116. Now, we all know those will change but the differences haven't really changed overall. I think we have gained even more of a number advantage on the Preds but by no means will we come close to the Bots or Cons unless something really strange happens. In all reality, we should be outnumbering the Preds in most of the missions on a consistent basis but we aren't from my mission logs. The main thing is with both Preds and Max having so few, we are hurt more by the time zone differences. I know the Preds I like to pick on are usually in Europe. If anyone wants to do the math, I think we have something like a 3 on 2 advantage against the Preds, a 2 on 1 defecit against the Cons, and almost a 3 to 1 defecit against the Bots. I would like us to see more Maximals filling up missions but that doesn't keep me from throwing in someone in an empty mission or one that only has one Maximal in it. Sometimes, that is all there is would it be Con or Bot. Very seldom have I ever seen a full Pred mission before I throw mine in. Maybe reducing the number in missions would be a good idea. Just keep in mind that the numbers are supposed to allow plenty of room for people to throw their mechs in and encourage people to stay away from the arena.

News Credits: 1 · Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:25 pm

Starlock wrote:Big difference there, Bots got the numbers though. Can't recall exactly but they either have as many or even more players then Cons do. That was probably just a bad few days of lack of getting the word out. Guess you could say same for beasts too, but I doubt we be getting that big of a swarm of new guys.

Geez man going for the kill. This is just something that happens. When people first sign up they sign up for the faction they want to play in. After a while, sometimes they want to change or feel another faction will be more fitting. The reset helped, but there is a lack of balance because people don't look at this like an RTS where there are benefits to being in a smaller faction (mainly because there is a lack of any and there is no way to change readily with resets occurring like never). Thats why I want faction modifiers so the smaller factions get better the smaller they are, to a level that is closer to the larger groups, and when they get bigger it goes back to a more natural balance.

raphaelprime wrote:P.S. Crazyfists, thumbs up on the sig, terrible what happened to him and that whole situation.

I was reading about it in class, I couldn't concentrate for the rest of the day.

Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:20 pm

Ok, Mkall has created two more missions for us. Two level 0 missions that are Max\Pred only and one level 0-1 that is Max\Pred only. He is also addressing other HMW issues so he is having a busy night.

Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:13 am

sumowrestler wrote:Ok, Mkall has created two more missions for us. Two level 0 missions that are Max\Pred only and one level 0-1 that is Max\Pred only. He is also addressing other HMW issues so he is having a busy night.

Standardized tactics costs by any chance?

News Credits: 10 · Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:01 pm

29% mission success rate. If it's not too late I'll add my John Hancock. It's really getting frustrated getting my ass handed to me so often.

Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:02 am

Count me in... I'm reduced to putting my dudes into Arena matches just in the hope it'll be somewhere near a fair fight.

News Credits: 1 · Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:39 am

30% success and a lot of time waiting. Count me too.

Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:51 am

Urzu Six wrote:Count me in... I'm reduced to putting my dudes into Arena matches just in the hope it'll be somewhere near a fair fight.

I understand the urge to retreat to the arena, but that's actually just compounding the problem. We need to all stay out in the missions, take our lumps, and hopefully that will get even more of us in there. Every time I active 6 bots, I put 4-5 of them in missions, and I need you guys to back me up.

News Credits: 1 · Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:49 pm

I actually don't care for the arena. It just doesn't seem like a real fight to me. Teamwork is the name of the game, at least to me - so I join any mission where it's isn't going to be 2 on 6 with 30 seconds to go. usually lose but at least my guys are giving it my all.

Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:31 pm

Signed.

What I really hate is how the missions are like 90% M V D...can't even boycott the 'cons because they're EVERYWHERE.

Also, always nice to see Rat Convoy's and Windstalker's bots in missions

Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:51 pm

Cheetron wrote:I actually don't care for the arena. It just doesn't seem like a real fight to me. Teamwork is the name of the game, at least to me - so I join any mission where it's isn't going to be 2 on 6 with 30 seconds to go. usually lose but at least my guys are giving it my all.

Same here. I'm rarely in the arena except when my energon starts to go down. Other than that my guys are getting thrown into missions whenever I get the chance to play. I've just been chalking up all my loosing streaks to bad luck.

Lily wrote:Also, always nice to see Rat Convoy's and Windstalker's bots in missions

It's a comforting sight isn't it? :wink:

Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:13 pm

It is always good to see help in missions would it be Rat Convoy or Lilly or any other Maximal. I have yet to venture into the arena and probably won't ever unless finances make me. However, if anyone is having troubles with energon, just ask one of your fellow Maximals and we might see what we can do. We should help out any way possible including donating energon.

Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:04 am

If they having trouble with energon make sure to keep a few lv 0s due to their free repair bill until more financially stable. Not until last few days I notice a steady gain with all lv 1s and keeping the auto cr feature. Unless I'm outdated again and that 25% fee for auto is not working or something. :o)

Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:10 am

Starlock wrote:If they having trouble with energon make sure to keep a few lv 0s due to their free repair bill until more financially stable. Not until last few days I notice a steady gain with all lv 1s and keeping the auto cr feature. Unless I'm outdated again and that 25% fee for auto is not working or something.

Yep, this is very good advice. I have I think 4 I've kept at 0 right now. They virtually perform just as good as my lvl 1 guys so it's not like they are lagging on xp gains. There aren't enough upgrades to make a huge gap between lvl 0 and 1 yet.