AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As I toil away at finding time in my day to finish attaching the seemingly unending stickers of Fort Max and Trypticon I am drawn to Full-Tilt.
He looks good. He has the full purple of some of the most iconic Cons EG Cyclonus, Shockwave, Galvatron, Sometimes Soundwave and several others. The lone Cybertron Car altmode is also quite rare among the Decepticon Ranks. With a full chest faction symbol he could look just as iconic as any of his contemporaries.
So why doesn't he exist at all in Transformers media?? Outside of visual cameos and art relating to Trypticon, there is nothing about Full-Tilt, anywhere. His personality, goals, loyalties, rivalries etc No one has taken to time to explore or even scratch the surface of fleshing out this great looking Decepticon.
That's what this thread is about. Putting to the Forum questions, big and small, within Transformers and to discuss potential answers.
Gonna open that 55-gallon drum of worms, huh? Well, I believe the standard answer is that he is not good enough by default, because he replaced Optimus Prime.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:While mulling over the above, a second question that has baffled a fan that seriously jumped onto Transformers with The Movie:
What's the problem with Rodimus Prime?
Rodimus Prime wrote:It's not my answer, because I prefer Rodimus over Optimus in G1, but about 90% of the fandom dismisses Rodimus on that basis alone. Had he been a character who didn't replace the most iconic character there ever was, but instead was just a stand-alone character, he might have fared better. As for the movie itself, the main reason he became leader was to sell the new wave of toys for season 3 of the cartoon. Maybe Hasbro underestimated just how attached people (especially kids) were to Optimus Prime. I wasn't one of them.
I hate (Cartoon) Rodimus Prime because he's a whiny *****.Burn wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:It's not my answer, because I prefer Rodimus over Optimus in G1, but about 90% of the fandom dismisses Rodimus on that basis alone. Had he been a character who didn't replace the most iconic character there ever was, but instead was just a stand-alone character, he might have fared better. As for the movie itself, the main reason he became leader was to sell the new wave of toys for season 3 of the cartoon. Maybe Hasbro underestimated just how attached people (especially kids) were to Optimus Prime. I wasn't one of them.
Basically this. We'd just watched our hero die, only to be replaced by this "young punk". Not only that, we saw the Matrix handed to Ultra Magnus, who we quickly learnt had all this experience, he was a veteran, but the Matrix chooses this young inexperienced character, who, I should add, got in between Optimus and Megatron and basically gave Megatron the distraction he needed to mortally wound Prime.
How could we NOT hate him?
Acesmcgee wrote:Actually, the little dude is mentioned in some Japanese manga and i believe a video game.
shajaki wrote:I've never subscribed to the "Hotrod got Prime killed" thing. He coulda dodged the shots, shot first, ect. But they make it seem like G1 Optimus Prime is the be-all-end-all leader, and BW Primal sure proved that wrong. And the Primal template is what Rodimus Prime SHOULD have been. That's basically the prototype for watching a new leader successfully navigating said learning curve.
Burn wrote:Energon at least gave him the status he deserved, make him a leader in his own right, but even then, don't have him hang around for too long.
ZeroWolf wrote:Burn wrote:Energon at least gave him the status he deserved, make him a leader in his own right, but even then, don't have him hang around for too long.
I think this might be the first time I've heard any one say anything good about Energon...
I've wondered that too. Honestly, I don't think it would have changed much. Breaking this down like a CSI investigation seems silly, but I'm doing it in my head so what the hellBurn wrote:But ... what if ... what if Hot Rod had NOT gotten involved?
Which was one of my only motivators to watch AEC... but blehBurn wrote:Energon at least gave him the status he deserved, make him a leader in his own right, but even then, don't have him hang around for too long.
The reason I don't buy this, is that if this was all caused by his guilt over Prime, then why did he show NO SIGNS of this in the movie? That's when it all happened, and he immediately rises to every occasion and kicks some ass. Fast forward to Season 3, and this is what we get:Yankee0 wrote:If it were not for these flaws, the guilt, self doubt and resentment
shajaki wrote:The reason I don't buy this, is that if this was all caused by his guilt over Prime, then why did he show NO SIGNS of this in the movie? That's when it all happened, and he immediately rises to every occasion and kicks some ass. Fast forward to Season 3, and this is what we get:
So Hotrod was in shock, and post movie it wore off? Not a bad argument, but I think it's all a stretching explanation for poor writing. JMO of course.Yankee0 wrote:A valid point.
My personal thoughts would be that it was a case of him having to repress all of this until the matter of a certain planet eating transformer was dealt with, only having time to dwell on what had occurred after the situation calmed down somewhat.
Or it could be that TFTM was apparently heavily edited, with specific scenes regarding this very issue (and indeed at least one very different plot) being lost in the making, and the writers having to introduce such issues in the following season instead...
shajaki wrote: So Hotrod was in shock, and post movie it wore off? Not a bad argument, but I think it's all a stretching explanation for poor writing. JMO of course.
Burn wrote:The ones that were nothing more than extra long advertisements.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Burn wrote:The ones that were nothing more than extra long advertisements.
I always find this a strange descriptive. I mean where might we find the cartoons that aren't adverts for toys, in any era?
I have one small thing to say about this. In the movie, because Prime didn't have a shot, Megatron shot him 3 or 4 times. If they exchanged shots, is it plausible that each was shot only once, causing them to lose their weapons, at which point the others interfered and the'Cons retreated just the same, without Megatron receiving the final blow from Prime that knocked him off the top of the Autobot City ruins they were on? And Prime would have gotten only one shot from the suddenly-deadly purple gun, which wouldn't have caused as much damage as 3 or 4 shots. Would both of them still became what what they became?shajaki wrote:I bet they'd have just both shot each other, both receiving "death blows" and eventually succumbing after the retreat.
See, now that is something that has always bothered me. Not that it came outta nowhere, but that it sounded the same, and was seemingly as powerful as his fusion cannon.Rodimus Prime wrote:suddenly-deadly purple gun
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes but adult hindsight aside, Action based cartoons predominantly always revolve around a toyline. Even the short lived shows such as Bravestarr, Visionaries, Mighty Max, Skeleton Warriors etc had 95% of their experience available to recreate in plastic.
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