NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Lastjustice wrote:My thoughts were the deal struck with Sentinel was the first of many plans Megatron had. Sentinel got shot down, and wasn't heard from again while Megatron was active.(he was frozen during the 60s so he had no chance to know that Sentinel's ship actually made it till he unthawed and had soem down time to access his resources between ROTF and DOTM.) So chances are that plan got pushed to the back burner till after all other plans with the Allspark and the Fallen went bust. Megatron probably was looking for a way use the space bridge technology, why he had the Decepticons capture the pillars, but nothing came thru till he rsaw Optimus could revive Sentinel with the Matrix of Leadership. Seeing the potential for this plan to be revisited he put it into motion.
Megatron likely did plan meet Sentinel but nothing either of them had envisioned went according to plan.Sentinel was shot down(only Megatron knew about the plan. Starscream ahd no clue till Megatron told him at the Lincoln memorial.), The Allspark was launched into space, and he was frozen.
I disagree. We know that Megatron left Cybertron first because he crash landed on Earth before Sentinel Prime arrived. We also know that Megatron left to find the Allspark, so the Allspark was launched into space before either of them left Cybertron.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think they're plan was to go to Earth before the Allspark was launched. The fallen knew Earth was inhabited and would have probably told Megatron about it. So he made the deal with Sentinel to meet there and enslave the people to rebuild Cybertron.
shamone wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think they're plan was to go to Earth before the Allspark was launched. The fallen knew Earth was inhabited and would have probably told Megatron about it. So he made the deal with Sentinel to meet there and enslave the people to rebuild Cybertron.
how were humans going to be much help is what i cant work out
was cybertron habitable
where would food supplies come from
the size and strength differential
the technology gap
It would be like getting apes to help us build houses
Covenant wrote:Fallen & Primes visit Earth to destroy it in Egyptian times, and nix it given RotF oh-the-humans-are-sentient reasons? Then Megatron follows blindedly the AllSpark that (per the official comic) Bumblebee sent into space before Megatron crushed his vocal cords (unrepairable, reeeeeaally? Still stupid, fyi). Landing on Earth, Megatron gets frozen in the Artic. Where exactly does Sentinel & the spacebridge fit into this?? He simply HAD to have made this 'Autobots are losing to an unreasonable degree that a PRIME would make a deal' prior to the Allspark being shot into space, but somehow the Allspark lands in the exact place Megatron & Sentinel apparently planned, HEAVILY, to meet in the past?
Is anyone else having, unhappily dagnabbit, issues with the plotline to all this? I had IMMENSE issues throughout this continuity, trying to justify it to myself, then secondary to others. But in the sad attempt to solidify the back story, I'm at a loss.
Little help? I'm simply ALL for fan-splanations to TF 'issues'. Do it to it fellow TF-fans, because I'm without ability..and ask anyone that knows me, I'm usually not without loss in such things...
Cthulhunicron wrote:The reason I came up with my theory about Megatron contacting Sentinel just before he crashes is because I really don't like the idea that the Allspark is shot into space and just happens to land on Earth, and then later, just by chance, the Ark crash lands on the moon. That seems like a huge stretch of logic to assume that out of all the planets in the universe, the Allspark and Sentinel wind up on the same planet purely out of coincidence. But whatever, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about.
paul053 wrote:And why are we trying to figure all these things out to fill in the gaps where the writers totally didn't care?
paul053 wrote:Yes, unfortunately I believe all these landed on earth things are all coincident. Earth is like a black hole that can suck everything toward it through out the entire universe.
I somehow think Sentinel only made his 1 on 1 deal with Megatron which Megatron didn't fully trust him and probably didn't care about the plan that much either. Megatron cares about power and conquering, when did he care about reviving Cybertron, that's the Prime's thing. Then Sentinel left to find any planet without letting Megatron knew and of course got shot down by any Decepticon that would do this. Seeing Sentinel gone, Megatron kept fighting on Cybertron to get Allspark to build his armies and then Optimus ordered BB to shoot it into space and then Megatron went after it.
With Megatron gone for long, Soundwave seeked Mr. who-knows-everything-by-just-sitting-there The Fallen and he told Soundwave to go to earth to do all the things (control humans, hide pillars, find Megatron, etc) so he can continue his plan. Megatron never knew about the Setinel thing and until the Allspark (plan A) gone and Fallen dead (plan B), Soundwave told him about Sentinel and the pillars. He remembered that old-didn't-care-much deal and went on to make his plan C.
And since when did Megatron's master plan(s) ever work out?
Poor Optimus who knew nothing.
And why are we trying to figure all these things out to fill in the gaps where the writers totally didn't care?
Covenant wrote:paul053 wrote:And why are we trying to figure all these things out to fill in the gaps where the writers totally didn't care?
Because thats what fans have been doing for years? Because gaps allow a fans want and creativity to fill in a blank for fun? Because it helps make a logical structure out of an inconsiderate mess? Because they, the fans, DO care?
shamone wrote:but did megs not land on earth before sentinal landed on the moon, suggesting that he left cybertron before sentinal
Not criticising your analysis just saying
Chaoslock wrote:As I see, what happened:
- Sentinel makes a deal with Megatron
- Sentinels ship gets shot when departing Cybertron, Megatron believes him dead
- Megatron tries to take the Allspark from the autobots, they launch it into space, Megatron follows, but with the numbers on their side, Decepticons win the war.
- the Allspark drifts into Earth, Megatron blindly follows, and gets himself stasis locked.
- Decepticons follow Megatrons trail, they discover the Ark on the Moon, but keep this knowledge from the Fallen; they search for a way to reach their true master.
- First movie: Megatron awakens, and without a greater knowledge, follows his hunger for the Allspark before bigger Decepticon reinforcements could arrive
- Second movie: Megatron awakens, gets his info up-to-date, and makes as if he would obey the Fallen in order to get the Matrix or enough Energon through the Harvester to reactivate Cybertron
- Third movie
What bugs me is that it is blind luck that the Harvester, the Allspark, and Sentinels ship is found on the same planet.
shamone wrote:but did megs not land on earth before sentinal landed on the moon, suggesting that he left cybertron before sentinal
Not criticising your analysis just saying
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:shamone wrote:but did megs not land on earth before sentinal landed on the moon, suggesting that he left cybertron before sentinal
Not criticising your analysis just saying
Megs landed first. He wasn't discovered in the Arctic until 1897, whereas Sentinel's crash was picked up in the early 1960s.
Well, here's my version of it:
Megatron and Sentinel strike a deal; the war is lost, and Cybertron is doomed as well. So, they decide to use another planet to rebuild it. The Fallen suggests Earth, a mineral-rich planet with plenty of slave-labor opportunities. Sentinel builds his fancy planet-moving Super Space Bridge (Likely with help from the Fallen) However, the Battle of Tyger Pax happens, and the AllSpark, which they really, really need, is launched into space. Megatron, assuming he's not going to be frozen in ice for thousands of years, goes after it. Meanwhile, the AllSpark guides itself towards Earth, and the location of the Sun Harvester.
Sentinel finishes up his Pillars and leaves Cybertron, arranging to be chased out by Decepticons to make it look real. Unfortunately, he didn't realize Decepticons aren't taught restraint, and ends up drifting towards Earth. The Fallen leaves afterwords with a contingent of Decepticons. Soundwave finds the Ark, and begins moving the Pillars, likely working on the assumption that they're going to be able to revive Sentinel with the AllSpark.
The bad news, is that the AllSpark is destroyed. After Megatron is revived, the Fallen, unaware the Matrix could be used to revive Sentinel (Jetfire points out that no one's tried it and thus, no one would be aware that it would work) decides to just go back to his original plan: Blow up the Sun, rebuild the AllSpark, use that to solve their problems. However, when the Matrix revives Optimus (Who destroys the Sun Harvester and the Fallen) Megatron quickly revises Plan A; now, the objective is to get Optimus to revive Sentinel for them. Which he does. And then the rest is all in the third movie.
Shadowman wrote:shamone wrote:but did megs not land on earth before sentinal landed on the moon, suggesting that he left cybertron before sentinal
Not criticising your analysis just saying
Megs landed first. He wasn't discovered in the Arctic until 1897, whereas Sentinel's crash was picked up in the early 1960s.
Well, here's my version of it:
Megatron and Sentinel strike a deal; the war is lost, and Cybertron is doomed as well. So, they decide to use another planet to rebuild it. The Fallen suggests Earth, a mineral-rich planet with plenty of slave-labor opportunities. Sentinel builds his fancy planet-moving Super Space Bridge (Likely with help from the Fallen) However, the Battle of Tyger Pax happens, and the AllSpark, which they really, really need, is launched into space. Megatron, assuming he's not going to be frozen in ice for thousands of years, goes after it. Meanwhile, the AllSpark guides itself towards Earth, and the location of the Sun Harvester.
Sentinel finishes up his Pillars and leaves Cybertron, arranging to be chased out by Decepticons to make it look real. Unfortunately, he didn't realize Decepticons aren't taught restraint, and ends up drifting towards Earth. The Fallen leaves afterwords with a contingent of Decepticons. Soundwave finds the Ark, and begins moving the Pillars, likely working on the assumption that they're going to be able to revive Sentinel with the AllSpark.
The bad news, is that the AllSpark is destroyed. After Megatron is revived, the Fallen, unaware the Matrix could be used to revive Sentinel (Jetfire points out that no one's tried it and thus, no one would be aware that it would work) decides to just go back to his original plan: Blow up the Sun, rebuild the AllSpark, use that to solve their problems. However, when the Matrix revives Optimus (Who destroys the Sun Harvester and the Fallen) Megatron quickly revises Plan A; now, the objective is to get Optimus to revive Sentinel for them. Which he does. And then the rest is all in the third movie.
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