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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I guess that's one figure I won't have to worry about after all. Whoever approved this Ironhide should be ashamed, in my opinion. Why even smegging bother with making a whole new mold at the Voyager price point if they weren't going to take proper advantage by fully recreating the sled (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)? What a complete waste... Thanks for getting my hopes up for nothing, HasTak...
This was your best chance yet to create a more definitive update than the BotCon toy from SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO, and ya smegging blew it. That's what, four attempts now? Ugh....

At least Sludge is nice. Sludge is good. Glad to have Sludge.

Well, geez. If you really wanted the sled and have the ER versions ...

https://www.nonnef.com/collections/upgr ... ts/vansled

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I guess that's one figure I won't have to worry about after all. Whoever approved this Ironhide should be ashamed, in my opinion. Why even smegging bother with making a whole new mold at the Voyager price point if they weren't going to take proper advantage by fully recreating the sled (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)? What a complete waste... Thanks for getting my hopes up for nothing, HasTak...
This was your best chance yet to create a more definitive update than the BotCon toy from SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO, and ya smegging blew it. That's what, four attempts now? Ugh....

At least Sludge is nice. Sludge is good. Glad to have Sludge.

In the cartoon it only ever appeared once, and it was for Ratchet. Ironhide did not make use of the toy's "battle sled" and instead just used the various weapons it contained on his own person.
They're going for a cartoon accurate look, and thus they're not including said component since he never used it in the cartoon. Earthrise Ironhide is most likely going to be your best bet at an Earth-mode cartoon inspired figure that basically has that component.

Passing on Ironhide. Igear will remain on my movie shelve. Mainly because I'd want Ironhide for vehicle mode to go next to mp. The cab winndow seems to be a throwback to the cut up ness of classics ironhide and visible screws to boot. Not sure I like it enough for botmode on movie shelve on then Igear in vehicle mode so I'll just avoid it until as/when/if Hasbro does him well.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)?

Wait a sec, we see Ironhide's sled in the cartoon? Is it like a Prime and trailer thing where in alt mode it magically floats out of nowhere and combines onto him?

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)?

Wait a sec, we see the sled in the cartoon?

Only in the veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery first episode, for one scene, and only for Ratchet, who then never uses it ever again.
It's not even part of their character models either, and likewise barely appears once (for both characters) in the Marvel comics.

SpaceEagle wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)?

Wait a sec, we see the sled in the cartoon?

Only in the veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery first episode, for one scene, and only for Ratchet, who then never uses it ever again.
It's not even part of their character models either, and likewise barely appears once (for both characters) in the Marvel comics.

Thanks. Marvel comics is something else though, and quite funny since whenever I see the G1 Ironhide toy, I'm like "wow, a Marvel comics issue 1 accurate toy!"

And yeah, here's Ironhide transforming in the show. This toy, along with the MP, try to convey the idea of him going from one mode to the next without requiring extra pieces.



Also check it out, no yellow stripe

Oh and you guys are gonna laugh at me. I do try to transform my toys without looking at instructions. But man, Exosuit Spike stumped me. I really had no clue what I was supposed to do and through which orientation since nothing was budging or turning properly.

Turns out any idea I had was over complicated and I would have never guessed how basic his transformation is. Still, his arms don't fall off and articulate ok, he rolls ok, and transforms, so I guess out of the 4 exo suite figures we have (not counting the headmaster), this is the winner.

SpaceEagle wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)?

Wait a sec, we see the sled in the cartoon?

Only in the veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery first episode, for one scene, and only for Ratchet, who then never uses it ever again.
It's not even part of their character models either, and likewise barely appears once (for both characters) in the Marvel comics.

You know what'd be interesting? 86 Optimus death scene, but he passes away on Ratchet's med sled.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)?

Wait a sec, we see the sled in the cartoon?

Only in the veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery first episode, for one scene, and only for Ratchet, who then never uses it ever again.
It's not even part of their character models either, and likewise barely appears once (for both characters) in the Marvel comics.

You know what'd be interesting? 86 Optimus death scene, but he passes away on Ratchet's med sled.

Would look just as gray since Ratchet was already dead well before that scene.

Still, Hasbro have never released a definitive version of either Ratchet or Ironhide with their built-in tracked battle/repair platforms. They couldn't even manage it in their MP releases (and there's no excuse for that). As was mentioned, it took a repainted Cybertron figure (based upon Ironhide and Ratchet) by a third party at Botcon, to do it. It is rather shameful of them.

I do think it would be cute having their sleds included, even if the van mode didn't require it all for transformation. The Masterpiece toys of both Ratchet and Ironhide included it and it was also neat how it held all their accessories.
Would probably bump up Ironhide into "Leader class" if this one is already "Voyager class", but it would be a nice little playset. Maybe it can even transform into a lil camper for them to tow in vehicle mode to add some extra functionality. Kids would probably dig it too.

Sabrblade wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: (which is, in fact, part of the cartoon character design)?

Wait a sec, we see the sled in the cartoon?

Only in the veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery first episode, for one scene, and only for Ratchet, who then never uses it ever again.
It's not even part of their character models either, and likewise barely appears once (for both characters) in the Marvel comics.

You know what'd be interesting? 86 Optimus death scene, but he passes away on Ratchet's med sled.

Would look just as gray since Ratchet was already dead well before that scene.

But if ratchet didn't

SpaceEagle wrote:I do think it would be cute having their sleds included, even if the van mode didn't require it all for transformation. The Masterpiece toys of both Ratchet and Ironhide included it and it was also neat how it held all their accessories.
Would probably bump up Ironhide into "Leader class" if this one is already "Voyager class", but it would be a nice little playset. Maybe it can even transform into a lil camper for them to tow in vehicle mode to add some extra functionality. Kids would probably dig it too.

The MP didn't include the full platforms, as they omitted the raised legs and tracked wheels. It was more of an after-thought.

primalxconvoy wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I do think it would be cute having their sleds included, even if the van mode didn't require it all for transformation. The Masterpiece toys of both Ratchet and Ironhide included it and it was also neat how it held all their accessories.
Would probably bump up Ironhide into "Leader class" if this one is already "Voyager class", but it would be a nice little playset. Maybe it can even transform into a lil camper for them to tow in vehicle mode to add some extra functionality. Kids would probably dig it too.

The MP didn't include the full platforms, as they omitted the raised legs and tracked wheels. It was more of an after-thought.

Oh, they didn't? I must've forgotten, I don't really care much for MPs, but that is a bit...lame. Might as well have gone all the way with it, because that would've been the perfect throwback! So yeah, they definitely have to do it if they ever do a new version of their MP figures, otherwise that'll be a missed opportunity.

They could have even used his roof kibble to make the sled, which would have reduced the hassle in incorporating more gumf into the robot modes, but Bakara decided to go "full-anime", as they usually have these days, bless their little idiotic cotton socks.

primalxconvoy wrote:They could have even used his roof kibble to make the sled, which would have reduced the hassle in incorporating more gumf into the robot modes, but Bakara decided to go "full-anime", as they usually have these days, bless their little idiotic cotton socks.

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I am not claiming to be one of them, but many would complain about the parts forming.

primalxconvoy wrote:They could have even used his roof kibble to make the sled, which would have reduced the hassle in incorporating more gumf into the robot modes, but Bakara decided to go "full-anime", as they usually have these days, bless their little idiotic cotton socks.

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I personally understand the desire to avoid partsforming, maybe they ever did a toy-accurate spin off of MP it would be funny seeing an Ironhide or Ratchet in that style.
I still think the best option would be having an IH/R that fully transforms into the van and having the sled be some small transforming camper or at least properly toy-accurate accessory included.

Partsforming isn't a problem. I believe those that would have a problem with it (regarding this specific character) would firmly bed in the minority, as G1 fans understand the context.

But wouldn't G1 fans still be upset about it seeing that a character they saw on the telly or read in all their comics still couldn't be represented in toy form since it still had to rely on taking parts off and placing it elsewhere?
Especially considering a bunch of toys of said character did not have to do that?

I personally really enjoy the cartoon look and I likewise find it a feat of engineering if they can manage to make it become the full Onebox without needing to take parts off.

Yeah, I'd wager that there's a lot more fans of Ironhide's cartoon/comic look out there than there are fans of his original 1984 Diaclone mold toy look.

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, I'd wager that there's a lot more fans of Ironhide's cartoon/comic look out there than there are fans of his original 1984 Diaclone mold toy look.

And I would wager that there even more fans that want both, or wouldn't be put-off by extra parts. More choice is always a good thing. Having a partsforming extra part wouldn't detract from the look.

I still personally say the best of both worlds is just to have an Ironhide that fully transforms into a Onebox and has a separate sled component that can turn into something the van can tow. Like old Classics 'Bee did!
That way kids probably have something fun, fans get a callback, and all of the above don't have to wonder why their transforming robot toy needs to have a chunk taken off to complete the look.

SpaceEagle wrote:I still personally say the best of both worlds is just to have an Ironhide that fully transforms into a Onebox and has a separate sled component that can turn into something the van can tow. Like old Classics 'Bee did!
That way kids probably have something fun, fans get a callback, and all of the above don't have to wonder why their transforming robot toy needs to have a chunk taken off to complete the look.

Kind of makes sense, but why would a van have a trailer?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I still personally say the best of both worlds is just to have an Ironhide that fully transforms into a Onebox and has a separate sled component that can turn into something the van can tow. Like old Classics 'Bee did!
That way kids probably have something fun, fans get a callback, and all of the above don't have to wonder why their transforming robot toy needs to have a chunk taken off to complete the look.

Kind of makes sense, but why would a van have a trailer?

Because the back's already filled up with robot arms!

SpaceEagle wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:I still personally say the best of both worlds is just to have an Ironhide that fully transforms into a Onebox and has a separate sled component that can turn into something the van can tow. Like old Classics 'Bee did!
That way kids probably have something fun, fans get a callback, and all of the above don't have to wonder why their transforming robot toy needs to have a chunk taken off to complete the look.

Kind of makes sense, but why would a van have a trailer?

Because the back's already filled up with robot arms!

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, I'd wager that there's a lot more fans of Ironhide's cartoon/comic look out there than there are fans of his original 1984 Diaclone mold toy look.

And I would wager that there even more fans that want both, or wouldn't be put-off by extra parts. More choice is always a good thing. Having a partsforming extra part wouldn't detract from the look.

As proven already with the ER Ironhide mold. That roof part is already pretty thick. With the large hollow space in the legs, they could have went the extra mile and create the full weapon platform without sacrificing any bot parts.