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To chime in, as a big fan of the history of TF toys, all those classes mentionned are different. Not necessarily in size or pricepoint but in terms of what they accomplish.
The original BW Basics were characters exclusive to that size AND had an auto convert gimmick
The Scouts were characters exclusive to that size but had comparative complexity to higher classes (similar to the BM Basics that preceded them)
Legends initially were much smaller and far les complex. And they had characters that were available in other classes. That class then became known as Legion class and the "Legends" name was given to Scout sized toys that were of characters available in bigger classes.
That later day "legends" class has become core class which is a mix of both characters exclusive to that size class AND characters available in bigger classes.

As usual, my predictions turn out to be completely wrong.

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"These can't be the same class!"

AcademyofDrX wrote:As usual, my predictions turn out to be completely wrong.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=116608&p=2112787&hilit=Rumble#p2112787

"These can't be the same class!"

Can't wait to get that little guy.

sol magnus wrote:Can't wait to get that little guy.

Same! Even if it doesn't seem right to me, even if I think he's too small for the TV show, it's otherwise the perfect Rumble that I've wanted forever. I still have the TR molds for bigger guys if I need them.

Rumble (blue) looks like a “Mini Masterpiece” to me. Well done Hasbro and TakaraTomy! All the details are there. The blue is a bit too vibrant, but it makes the figure pop. I can’t wait until we finally get Frenzy (red) as well. I wonder how these compare to the Masterpiece versions from several years ago.

Rumble was the standout bot this livestream and the only definite purchase! Some great sculpting detail on this version.

AcademyofDrX wrote:As usual, my predictions turn out to be completely wrong.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=116608&p=2112787&hilit=Rumble#p2112787

"These can't be the same class!"

The added accessories boots it to Core.

Regardless, I don't need it because I'm good with my Select 4 pack.

Rumble looks good. I like the paintjob, the weapons ans the toes. Wish they'd have given him elbow joints though

The Fallen also looks dope but ill wait for an eventual generations megatronus

Way to sell us the same characters again! But it is significantly better than Siege.

Now, how about Buzzsaw?

Rumble is interesting, but I will stick to my Siege one.

I will need to find Ratchet

Well, found Ratchet at one of my local Targets today. He's pretty good, but I now have to try to find a decently priced Spike online cause this means that my Targets are skipping that wave

The new Rumble looks fantastic! Not only does he have a lot of accessories, but he appears to be taller than the WFC figures. Suddenly went from a maybe to a must have!

Ironhide has two guns! Wow! That really brings it up to Voyager price now! that's way better than a big articulated hammer canon!

william-james88 wrote:The original BW Basics were characters exclusive to that size AND had an auto convert gimmick

The auto convert feature only existed in the two '96 waves. The rest of the figures had different gimmicks like spring loaded parts and claws and hidden weapons.

Emerje

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Rumble is interesting, but I will stick to my Siege one.

I will need to find Ratchet

The new rumble is definitely better (at least in robot mode), but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market). The only thing you'd really be missing is a few articulation joints and piledrivers, though there's probably already an upgrade kit of the later.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Rumble is interesting, but I will stick to my Siege one.

I will need to find Ratchet

The new rumble is definitely better (at least in robot mode), but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market). The only thing you'd really be missing is a few articulation joints and piledrivers, though there's probably already an upgrade kit of the later.

Even if there is, I'm good with mine as is. the G1 cassettes are hardly characters I want to invest money or duplicates in anyways.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Rumble is interesting, but I will stick to my Siege one.

I will need to find Ratchet

The new rumble is definitely better (at least in robot mode), but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market). The only thing you'd really be missing is a few articulation joints and piledrivers, though there's probably already an upgrade kit of the later.

Even if there is, I'm good with mine as is. the G1 cassettes are hardly characters I want to invest money or duplicates in anyways.

As I said "but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market)"
And yes, they are to small to worry about posing and such. Makes sense, but I will have to get the new one because siege is probably the same price now on secondary market. I'm glad the siege works for you I'd keep it if I ever got it in the first place.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Rumble is interesting, but I will stick to my Siege one.

I will need to find Ratchet

The new rumble is definitely better (at least in robot mode), but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market). The only thing you'd really be missing is a few articulation joints and piledrivers, though there's probably already an upgrade kit of the later.

Even if there is, I'm good with mine as is. the G1 cassettes are hardly characters I want to invest money or duplicates in anyways.

As I said "but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market)"
And yes, they are to small to worry about posing and such. Makes sense, but I will have to get the new one because siege is probably the same price now on secondary market. I'm glad the siege works for you I'd keep it if I ever got it in the first place.

The Siege one will be WAY more expensive because he comes along a Select 4 pack with the random orange bat and the two Doubledealer minions.

Regardless, one could still double-dip just to have the accessories.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Rumble is interesting, but I will stick to my Siege one.

I will need to find Ratchet

The new rumble is definitely better (at least in robot mode), but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market). The only thing you'd really be missing is a few articulation joints and piledrivers, though there's probably already an upgrade kit of the later.

Even if there is, I'm good with mine as is. the G1 cassettes are hardly characters I want to invest money or duplicates in anyways.

As I said "but I'd say stick with the siege if you got one from the store (not overprice secondary market)"
And yes, they are to small to worry about posing and such. Makes sense, but I will have to get the new one because siege is probably the same price now on secondary market. I'm glad the siege works for you I'd keep it if I ever got it in the first place.

The Siege one will be WAY more expensive because he comes along a Select 4 pack with the random orange bat and the two Doubledealer minions.

Regardless, one could still double-dip just to have the accessories.

Exactly. That's why I'm going with 86.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Exactly. That's why I'm going with 86.

After seeing the pictures again, SS86 Rumble have NOTHING to do with the Siege. Even if I do have the Frenzy from the 4 pack, that SS86 is much, MUCH better. It's a brand new mold with a much better bot mode. Cassette still compatible somehow. And he got ALL his weapons since the MP version!

I remember the cassettes dudes being dunk over by the community for their iffy design. Well, Hasbro listened and now have provided perfection. There's no reasons to hunt down a Siege Frenzy and paying double or triple the price of the core SS86 Rumble(Blue).

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Exactly. That's why I'm going with 86.

After seeing the pictures again, SS86 Rumble have NOTHING to do with the Siege. Even if I do have the Frenzy from the 4 pack, that SS86 is much, MUCH better. It's a brand new mold with a much better bot mode. Cassette still compatible somehow. And he got ALL his weapons since the MP version!

I remember the cassettes dudes being dunk over by the community for their iffy design. Well, Hasbro listened and now have provided perfection. There's no reasons to hunt down a Siege Frenzy and paying double or triple the price of the core SS86 Rumble(Blue).

I know it's much better. I NEVER said it was worse. I NEVER said I would feel the need to "hunt down" seige rumble, it's probably more expensive anyway. But If you already payed and bought the seige version, by all means keep it!

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I know it's much better. I NEVER said it was worse. I NEVER said I would feel the need to "hunt down" seige rumble, it's probably more expensive anyway. But If you already payed and bought the seige version, by all means keep it!

I foolishly bought that 4 pack from an eBay scalper out of FOMO.
Then 2 months later, there it is, easily available for 20$ cheaper.

I'll be getting that SS86 one while the Select Siege will sleep in storage.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I know it's much better. I NEVER said it was worse. I NEVER said I would feel the need to "hunt down" seige rumble, it's probably more expensive anyway. But If you already payed and bought the seige version, by all means keep it!

I foolishly bought that 4 pack from an eBay scalper out of FOMO.
Then 2 months later, there it is, easily available for 20$ cheaper.

I'll be getting that SS86 one while the Select Siege will sleep in storage.

No! Sell it on ebay for a tremendous profit!

I'm totally double dipping for Rumble, I love the cassettes
And Soundwave is my favorite decepticon so it has to be done

The reason Rumble looks so much bigger in robot mode yet still condenses down to Siege size in cassette mode is because Shogo Hasui worked on it, the guy who previously designed the Masterpiece cassettes.

Sabrblade wrote:The reason Rumble looks so much bigger in robot mode yet still condenses down to Siege size in cassette mode is because Shogo Hasui worked on it, the guy who previously designed the Masterpiece cassettes.

Cool and not at the same time. Somehow I can't picture rumble being the size of bumblebee, but it's amazing he's worth the price for scale. But I still would like a 2 pack of smaller rumble frenzy sold as core class. But this is great!

I haven't seen a ton of photos, but does Rumble not have elbow joints?
I'd probably still get him either way, but man, if he doesn't that's kind of a bummer.