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AcademyofDrX wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Is the Commander Class Magnus supposedly planned for a 2023 release?
I didn't think so based on the SS leaks I've seen.

Other than him, there's still a chance of an Optimus Prime, and Soundwave...
I'm not sure there's much more this subline can deliver.

Here's the thing, if they do in fact release an SS-86 Magnus, then everything released in Earthrise and Kingdom that could be used for SS-86 at the time is now fair game for a new SS-86 version. We thought SS-86 Starscream was a one-off to include the coronation accessories, but with Magnus too, it means, Cyclonus, Galvatron, Prime, Prowl etc... could ostensibly get an SS-86 release. And if they do do SS-86 commander Magnus, I'm willing to bet we'll get an SS-86 Prime based on the Magnus cab.

Heck it would not surprise me if they re-released Rodimus Prime in SS-86 packaging just for kicks.

So, there's still a fair bit this sub line can deliver.

I wouldn't assume new versions of any of those guys. Yes, we had Kingdom Magnus, but he was just a retool of the Siege figure and came up short in a few respects. Cyclonus and Galvatron were released alongside Scourge and the Sweeps, and unlike Magnus, were new molds consistent with SS86 design principles. We even got the damage-free Galvatron repaint in Legacy. Prime is obvious, Prowl is plausible, and I expect Springer too. Beyond that, I don't think any of the recent figures are slam dunks for updates.

You guys forgot SS86 Arcee and Ironhide.

I was ignored on this but I would still like a SS86 LEADER Megatron. The bot mode would be perfectly clean like his R.E.D figure, hiding all the tank threads and whatnots inside.

As for a SS86 Optimus, they should just "steal back" the undersised KO MP-10 and sell this as a Commander.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Is the Commander Class Magnus supposedly planned for a 2023 release?
I didn't think so based on the SS leaks I've seen.

Other than him, there's still a chance of an Optimus Prime, and Soundwave...
I'm not sure there's much more this subline can deliver.

Here's the thing, if they do in fact release an SS-86 Magnus, then everything released in Earthrise and Kingdom that could be used for SS-86 at the time is now fair game for a new SS-86 version. We thought SS-86 Starscream was a one-off to include the coronation accessories, but with Magnus too, it means, Cyclonus, Galvatron, Prime, Prowl etc... could ostensibly get an SS-86 release. And if they do do SS-86 commander Magnus, I'm willing to bet we'll get an SS-86 Prime based on the Magnus cab.

Heck it would not surprise me if they re-released Rodimus Prime in SS-86 packaging just for kicks.

So, there's still a fair bit this sub line can deliver.

I wouldn't assume new versions of any of those guys. Yes, we had Kingdom Magnus, but he was just a retool of the Siege figure and came up short in a few respects. Cyclonus and Galvatron were released alongside Scourge and the Sweeps, and unlike Magnus, were new molds consistent with SS86 design principles. We even got the damage-free Galvatron repaint in Legacy. Prime is obvious, Prowl is plausible, and I expect Springer too. Beyond that, I don't think any of the recent figures are slam dunks for updates.

You guys forgot SS86 Arcee and Ironhide.

I was ignored on this but I would still like a SS86 LEADER Megatron. The bot mode would be perfectly clean like his R.E.D figure, hiding all the tank threads and whatnots inside.

As for a SS86 Optimus, they should just "steal back" the undersised KO MP-10 and sell this as a Commander.

I think a SS86 Megatron is a cracking idea!

Never underestimate a design team's urge to leave their finger print on key characters, especially ones they think they can do better on like Optimus, Astrotrain and Ultra Magnus. Upper management has been a bit of a hurdle for them, but I think they can make a good argument for a new Astrotrain if they're interested.

Till-all-R1 wrote:After seeing what the leader magnus consists of I honestly can't imagine why a Commander version is needed, other than to soak and extra $40 from the same character we've seen in the line countless time before. And most likely reusing existing version that previously sold for much less.

Maybe the trailer could be done better, but $40 worth?? Frankly it's a waste of a Commander slot IMO, and I'd rather see something more fitting go there. Heck, Bots like Jetfire are going to need a new Class if Leaders can become Commander with a very minor tooling addition. Though I guess they could just move him and the like to Titan Class. lol

No Commander has ever used parts from a previous figure (aside from effect parts and a straight repaint, obviously) so Commander UM will be a 100% new mold, there should be no question about that. The Siege/Kingdom trailer is completely wrong being based on RID UM and the Kingdom alt mode just isn't good enough. The trailer should be just that, a trailer with a hitch. The RID/Siege design is basically a car carrying bus, you less detach it than you disassemble it from the cab. Also the trailer should be MASSIVE, it should be a lot taller than the cab with the missiles extending over the top. It should also be big enough to hold some Deluxe cars both inside and on top.

Then the cab, it must transform. No, it isn't movie accurate, but it's a necessity to hit the Commander price point, otherwise it's just a remake of the Combiner Wars figure. They can design it similar to the impending SS86 Optimus Prime, but not the same mold. The biggest change over the Siege mold would be being able to hide the forearms and hands in truck mode instead of sticking visibly off the back and a slimmer bot mode. All together there's definitely Commander class possibilities in there that I think people would be even more accepting of over Rodimus Prime.

Emerje

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Is the Commander Class Magnus supposedly planned for a 2023 release?
I didn't think so based on the SS leaks I've seen.

Other than him, there's still a chance of an Optimus Prime, and Soundwave...
I'm not sure there's much more this subline can deliver.

Here's the thing, if they do in fact release an SS-86 Magnus, then everything released in Earthrise and Kingdom that could be used for SS-86 at the time is now fair game for a new SS-86 version. We thought SS-86 Starscream was a one-off to include the coronation accessories, but with Magnus too, it means, Cyclonus, Galvatron, Prime, Prowl etc... could ostensibly get an SS-86 release. And if they do do SS-86 commander Magnus, I'm willing to bet we'll get an SS-86 Prime based on the Magnus cab.

Heck it would not surprise me if they re-released Rodimus Prime in SS-86 packaging just for kicks.

So, there's still a fair bit this sub line can deliver.

I wouldn't assume new versions of any of those guys. Yes, we had Kingdom Magnus, but he was just a retool of the Siege figure and came up short in a few respects. Cyclonus and Galvatron were released alongside Scourge and the Sweeps, and unlike Magnus, were new molds consistent with SS86 design principles. We even got the damage-free Galvatron repaint in Legacy. Prime is obvious, Prowl is plausible, and I expect Springer too. Beyond that, I don't think any of the recent figures are slam dunks for updates.

Yes, that's where I stand as well in my line of thinking. Unlike many characters released in Earthrise, Magnus felt the most like a placeholder due to the inaccurate trailer.

I can see Magnus being a commander if the base bot is as complex as Earthrise Optimus Prime.

I personally don't even consider that earthrise toy an improvement over the combiner wars version.

Also, of all the MP toys, Magnus needs an update the most. Just a coincidence.

I tried to respond a while ago and there was some error…

Kingdom Ultra Magnus was lacking in ways that other figures have not.
Of course partly because his design is much more complex.
Point being, that version may have been decent. Maybe even good.
But objectively speaking (I don’t have any real love for this character),
I don’t think this (Kingdom version) was/is a difinitive version.
Imo most people that would claim “He’s good enough” say that because relatively speaking they don’t that much.
I don’t have the Seige or Kindgom figure…
But I’ve seen enough to know the bot mode could be better, and the ER trailer was lacking both in appearance and functionality.

I’ve already mentioned the few I think could stand new molds.
But the vast majority of what osupreme listed are plenty good as they are.

Back to UM, I’m predicting that it incorporates a gimmick where he has been “blown up”, kind of combining the gimmick of SS86 Kup, & the Legacy Junkions.
This may even play into engineering for transformation.

Kanrabat & I totally agree about a SS86 Megatron—
Make the bot mode totally screen accurate, with the alt mode still being a tank.
Collectors & fans would understand, all other consumers wouldn’t know any different and/or wouldn’t care.
In fact, I wouldn’t really care what the alt mode would be… It wouldn’t matter… Make him a weird spaceship to match Legacy Soundwave…. Who cares.
But it’s time.
It’s actually past time. The ER versions’s head and face sculpt were just a piss poor attempt. That really looked like a KO…
The 35th Anniversary figure is the best version imo.
We’re talking the leader of the Decepticons here…
This character deserves a new mold.

Back to Commander Class UM…
Someone convince me why this version will or won’t have the traditional inner white Prime.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Back to Commander Class UM…
Someone convince me why this version will or won’t have the traditional inner white Prime.

An SS86 Magnus will never EVER have the inner white "Prime". Because that character never appeared in the movie nor the cartoon.

So, I predict a SS86 UM to be like a downsized version of the MP sold at the Commander price point. That MP is relatively simple and look "Generations" enough.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Back to Commander Class UM…
Someone convince me why this version will or won’t have the traditional inner white Prime.

An SS86 Magnus will never EVER have the inner white "Prime". Because that character never appeared in the movie nor the cartoon.

So, I predict a SS86 UM to be like a downsized version of the MP sold at the Commander price point. That MP is relatively simple and look "Generations" enough.

I wrote it above, but I'll post it again. There's absolutely no way they're hitting the Commander class price point without a transforming "white Prime" cab. They've already proven they can do a very convincing non-transforming cab version of Ultra Magnus at the Leader price point and if they shrunk it down to fit the current scale they could even do that again at the current Leader price point. There is no conceivable way for them to do a Commander class UM that doesn't have transforming cab and not make it feel like a Combiner Wars rehash at twice the price.

As for "it wasn't in the movie so it can't be in the toy" there's an easy work around for that, don't make transforming the cab a necessity for the full bot mode. Pull a Powermaster Prime (and to a much lesser degree Legacy Motormaster) and have the truck fold up into a cube and sit inside the armor made entirely from the trailer, bonus points if they can do that without even having to remove the cab from the trailer. At $100 that should be entirely doable.

william-james88 wrote:Also, of all the MP toys, Magnus needs an update the most. Just a coincidence.

I still don't have an MP Ultra Magnus or Rodimus Prime and I know damn well the moment I buy either one Takara Tomy will announce a new one.

Emerje

I'd love for the new Magnus to have a mini Prime. I have fond memories of that mini Prime and enjoyed the renaissance Dreamwave brought to that deco back in the day.

But I'd be surprised if they did that. He never did have that on the show while Roddy did have some moments where he backed into his "trailer". I can see them needing to really engineer the guy to make his trailer have all the necessary parts without partsforming while ALSO being big enough to fit deluxe cars (CW Magnus couldn't do that). Add in a Matrix accessory too.

It would also allow Kingdom to have it's own niche. It's G1 with the white Prime.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Is the Commander Class Magnus supposedly planned for a 2023 release?
I didn't think so based on the SS leaks I've seen.

Other than him, there's still a chance of an Optimus Prime, and Soundwave...
I'm not sure there's much more this subline can deliver.

Here's the thing, if they do in fact release an SS-86 Magnus, then everything released in Earthrise and Kingdom that could be used for SS-86 at the time is now fair game for a new SS-86 version. We thought SS-86 Starscream was a one-off to include the coronation accessories, but with Magnus too, it means, Cyclonus, Galvatron, Prime, Prowl etc... could ostensibly get an SS-86 release. And if they do do SS-86 commander Magnus, I'm willing to bet we'll get an SS-86 Prime based on the Magnus cab.

Heck it would not surprise me if they re-released Rodimus Prime in SS-86 packaging just for kicks.

So, there's still a fair bit this sub line can deliver.

I wouldn't assume new versions of any of those guys. Yes, we had Kingdom Magnus, but he was just a retool of the Siege figure and came up short in a few respects. Cyclonus and Galvatron were released alongside Scourge and the Sweeps, and unlike Magnus, were new molds consistent with SS86 design principles. We even got the damage-free Galvatron repaint in Legacy. Prime is obvious, Prowl is plausible, and I expect Springer too. Beyond that, I don't think any of the recent figures are slam dunks for updates.

Not expecting new versions necessarily. Maybe just re-packs in SS-86 boxes, with maybe slight tweak, much like Starscream.

Also. i have to agree with Emerje. No way. Commander class Magnus is made without a inner white Prime. Not just because of the budget that is super unnecessary to do that, but because they get a second figure, at the same price point, for no additional development cost, out of it.

Making an inner white Prime Magnus gives them a Prime to release later for close to no extra development cost. It just makes too much financial sense.

Even Siege / Earthrise Magnus got a Prime pretool, with Cybertron.

Don't forget, White Prime is cartoon cannon post-movie.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Don't forget, White Prime is cartoon cannon post-movie.

For real?

Got a clip?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Don't forget, White Prime is cartoon cannon post-movie.

For real?

Got a clip?

"The Return of Optimus Prime part 2", the white coating protects Prime from the hate plague.

william-james88 wrote:I personally don't even consider that earthrise toy an improvement over the combiner wars version.

Agreed… Which is why I never bought it. If he would’ve gone on sale for even $40 I probably would’ve caved, but it never happened.

But this was part of my whole point with UM being made at Commander class—
His most recent release wasn’t even that good.
This is clearly a case jist like CW Menasor;
Hastak has realized that ER Magnus missed the mark so badly that they want to give it another shot, & make sure it’s a solid, legit release.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I personally don't even consider that earthrise toy an improvement over the combiner wars version.

Agreed… Which is why I never bought it. If he would’ve gone on sale for even $40 I probably would’ve caved, but it never happened.

But this was part of my whole point with UM being made at Commander class—
His most recent release wasn’t even that good.
This is clearly a case jist like CW Menasor;
Hastak has realized that ER Magnus missed the mark so badly that they want to give it another shot, & make sure it’s a solid, legit release.

Earthrise Magnus was compromised by being adapted from the Siege version, which made interesting choices in taking from two different two incarnations. As for comparing to CW, whether it's an improvement or not is a matter of taste, but it's very different. The CW figure is a modern update of the alt mode and has an IDW bot, while ER is heftier and more old-school G1. It's a perfectly respectable Leader class toy, though there are obvious improvements that Commander can bring, like a much bigger transport trailer that can actually fit vehicles.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I personally don't even consider that earthrise toy an improvement over the combiner wars version.

Agreed… Which is why I never bought it. If he would’ve gone on sale for even $40 I probably would’ve caved, but it never happened.

But this was part of my whole point with UM being made at Commander class—
His most recent release wasn’t even that good.
This is clearly a case jist like CW Menasor;
Hastak has realized that ER Magnus missed the mark so badly that they want to give it another shot, & make sure it’s a solid, legit release.

Earthrise Magnus was compromised by being adapted from the Siege version, which made interesting choices in taking from two different two incarnations. As for comparing to CW, whether it's an improvement or not is a matter of taste, but it's very different. The CW figure is a modern update of the alt mode and has an IDW bot, while ER is heftier and more old-school G1. It's a perfectly respectable Leader class toy, though there are obvious improvements that Commander can bring, like a much bigger transport trailer that can actually fit vehicles.

Also, just pointing out the quality of the CW torso can't hold a candle to the Legacy version. Well, the 100$CAN difference with the base price makes it an unfair competition, but still.

I would agree the ER version looked more G1.
Just still not sure it was an improvement past that.
UM is one of those characters where getting the alt mode wrong really does matter, simply because it’s supposed to have legit functionality.
And I’m pretty sure a Commander class version will allow this to happen, and be done pretty well.
Again, for the most part, I think Hastak is doing a bang-up job with these recent figures from the last few years. Sure, I can nit-pick with the best of ‘em.
But I call it like I see it, and of course there are aspects of figures that miss the mark in the mainline.
Yet I can’t deny that overall Hastak has done a lot right, and a lot pretty damn well.
I won’t try to list off all the examples I can think of since this is the SS86 thread.
But this subline alone has brought me a lot of collector happiness.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Don't forget, White Prime is cartoon cannon post-movie.

For real?

Got a clip?

"The Return of Optimus Prime part 2", the white coating protects Prime from the hate plague.

, not Ultra Magnus.

Still, if it's "good enough" for the toy to be made...

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Don't forget, White Prime is cartoon cannon post-movie.

For real?

Got a clip?

"The Return of Optimus Prime part 2", the white coating protects Prime from the hate plague.

That wasn't white, that was gray.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Don't forget, White Prime is cartoon cannon post-movie.

For real?

Got a clip?

"The Return of Optimus Prime part 2", the white coating protects Prime from the hate plague.

, not Ultra Magnus.

Still, if it's "good enough" for the toy to be made...

... it still wouldn't be Ultra Magnus without the yellow eyes and blue face mask.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Don't forget, White Prime is cartoon cannon post-movie.

For real?

Got a clip?

"The Return of Optimus Prime part 2", the white coating protects Prime from the hate plague.

, not Ultra Magnus.

Still, if it's "good enough" for the toy to be made...

... it still wouldn't be Ultra Magnus without the yellow eyes and blue face mask.

Because the cartoon was always so toy accurate.

Emerje

Just because we never saw Magnus' inner robot mode on the show doesn't mean he didn't have one. He clearly had a white cab in alt mode.

I don’t really care either way, because I think Hastak will ultimately make it a solid figure.
As long as the bot mode looks great and the trailer looks good and has good functionality, I’ll buy it.
I do wonder if Hastak will view a complete inner figure as an important play feature…
But in some ways, a complete inner figure may cause more unwanted compromises to the robot design, and possibly the trailer as well.

The only things that have made any use of the inner cab robot for Ultra Magnus in the cartoon universe were a few Japanese-only things, like Binaltech and the profile for the first Masterpiece Ultra Magnus toy.

A rather unsettling but very Hasbro thought just entered my head. What if the Ultra Magnus cab doesn't change, but SS86 Optimus is compatible with the armor and they made a white Selects version that can be swapped for the cab that comes with the Commander figure? I wouldn't call that ideal at all, but it also wouldn't surprise me. Back when Masterpiece UM was announced some of us thought they might make a new UM cab bot that was identical to MP10 but transform differently to be compatible with the armor, but that obviously never happened, MP10 didn't even get a white repaint somehow (well, not until 2018 anyway).

Emerje

Emerje wrote:A rather unsettling but very Hasbro thought just entered my head. What if the Ultra Magnus cab doesn't change, but SS86 Optimus is compatible with the armor and they made a white Selects version that can be swapped for the cab that comes with the Commander figure? I wouldn't call that ideal at all, but it also wouldn't surprise me. Back when Masterpiece UM was announced some of us thought they might make a new UM cab bot that was identical to MP10 but transform differently to be compatible with the armor, but that obviously never happened, MP10 didn't even get a white repaint somehow (well, not until 2018 anyway).

Emerje

Wait, would the commander figure still Transform to UM in this example, or require SS86 OP to be able to Transform?