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This is as even as it gets. All three have had a little under a month to prepare. Who will claim victory? Can Superman hold off Goku long enough for Batman to disable him? Or will the Super Saiyan see through their plot and defeat them?

If Goku has Super Saiyan, then Superman and Batman are all sorts of screwed.

Pre-Frieza Saga Goku, when he only knows th Kao-Ken, however, it may be a more even fight.

Well I'm of the opinion Superman could beat Goku on his own. Unless we're talking about the cartoon one. Comicbook superman wins horribly. He tanks supernovas after being hit by countless planet shattering red solar energy blasts and can shake star systems with his punches.

A lot of pre crisis stories are canon again, think what that means. Even Supergirl has beat someone who had the power of a thousand galaxies in his hand.

A single punch from Superman can knock someone across a star system or through a planet. Its like saying you given a rocket launcher could take out Iron man.

Inferno Prime wrote:Well I'm of the opinion Superman could beat Goku on his own. Unless we're talking about the cartoon one. Comicbook superman wins horribly. He tanks supernovas after being hit by countless planet shattering red solar energy blasts and can shake star systems with his punches.

A lot of pre crisis stories are canon again, think what that means. Even Supergirl has beat someone who had the power of a thousand galaxies in his hand.

A single punch from Superman can knock someone across a star system or through a planet. Its like saying you given a rocket launcher could take out Iron man.

That's why Pre-Crisis is the Fantasy Battles equivalent of using a GameShark.

I'm with Senor Hugo, in that Batman and Superman would be able to beat him as long as he can't go Super Saiyan.

That's why Pre-Crisis is the Fantasy Battles equivalent of using a GameShark.

I'm with Senor Hugo, in that Batman and Superman would be able to beat him as long as he can't go Super Saiyan.

Your logics faulty. Those feats I names of Superman all happened in the last 2 years, the same with Supergirl. As I said a number of pre crisis stories have been shown to be canon to the current Superman (notably not the more zany ones) which shows what level he's operating at now.

Superman could flick him into orbit. He's too strong, too fast and much to durable for Goku to win.

If Superman is too Hax now fine. I reckon we could have an even fight if we take off the last 8 years or so of Superman stories we could have an even match.

Inferno Prime wrote:

That's why Pre-Crisis is the Fantasy Battles equivalent of using a GameShark.

I'm with Senor Hugo, in that Batman and Superman would be able to beat him as long as he can't go Super Saiyan.

Your logics faulty. Those feats I names of Superman all happened in the last 2 years, the same with Supergirl. As I said a number of pre crisis stories have been shown to be canon to the current Superman (notably not the more zany ones) which shows what level he's operating at now.

So they've reinstated his ridiculous Pre-Crisis abilities? Didn't they make Crisis on Infinite Earths partly so they could power him down, because he was so insanely powerful, that writing stories for him (That were longer than two pages) was so incredibly difficult?

However DCs managment has changed since then so the policies of 1985 don't stand anymore. The comic industry is re-introducing silver age elmenents into its characters. Superman gets more powerful and a colorful back story and Spider-man gets his character development detroyed.

Its not a problem at the moment because DC has some of the best writers in the industry working on Superman. They had an embargo on big name writers on Superman and Batman for a while. Beliveing they sell anayway.


Though Superman's dominance pre crisis is exagerated a bit. He had plenty enemies that could challenge him (mongul) and enemies he had no chance of beating (Darkseid).

As soon as Goku and Superman are mentioned in the same sentence, **** hits the fan.

You haven't seen a Superman versus Thor arguments on a comic board. They've got worse since Superman actually beat up thor. So much bitterness...

Superman actually beat Draga, Mongul, and then after two episodes he defeated Darkseid. So what if Goku in intense of fights, destroyers Earth Sun?. Supes is doomed to be a normal human like everybody else and then we all live in the darkness. Goku wins.

Well that's a bit out of character for Goku.

Also Superman has a months reserve of solar energy. Hence why he doesn't loose his powers at night or while in deep space. Also during final night when the sun was destroyed it took some time for his power level to drop to human levels.

I think that Superman and Goku are relatively even in terms of power and both know how to control and utilize it so that the planent that they're on won't dissolve from underneath them.

The only way I ever saw Goku pulling ahead is through Super Saiyan 3 (I can see Superman fighting at full power being the equivalent of an SSJ2) and most importantly through his martial arts training.

Superman's only flaw is that he brawls. He's never had to use any fighting style or perfect his technique because all he's ever needed to do is just punch a little bit harder or faster. This is why I included Batman. Batman is smart enough and skilled enough to give Superman an edge in the upcoming fight. Batman would probably have some sort of device to watch Goku train and then relay that to Superman.

I say through Batman's training, Superman would squeak off the win.

Where was Goku's martial arts training? All his masters focused on strength and Ki training. Lets not pretend he's like batman just because he dresses like a ninja.

Also Goku doesn't have a great combat record. He tends to need a lot of help in his battles unless he has a big power advantage.

Also Superman is a skilled fighter having been taught boxing by wildcat, various fighting styles by Wonder woman and Mongul. He took down one of DC's best martial artists (Kobra) while without powers by using the fighting techniques he's developed after years of punching people till they no longer want to rule the universe.

He can have even battles with Orion the New god of war. A being who has similer unlimited strength and speed as Superman combined with the power of the astro force. He's also regarded as one of the greatest fighters in the DC universe. Having honed his skills with a millinia of warfare.

Or Wonder woman who has been said by batman to be the most skilled Melee fighter in the world above even himself. How comes She's never defeated Superman depite being only slightly below him strengthwise?

Superman style isn't flashy, its efficient and utilitarianm as it needs to be for someone who could destroy the planet by punching downwards.

I'd also add whats so great about SSJ 3 that puts it above Superman. It wasn't much more effective against Kid buu than SSJ2 was. Supermans so powerful now he lasted an entire issue with a clone of doomsday with Kryptonite spikes.

The problem with this argument is that people are putting Superman the same level as the ridiculously powered DBZ characters.

Superman could flick someone into orbit. Goku could flick someone into orbit, however those people would most likely be nowhere near the abilities of either of the two.

Sure Superman could punch someone sending them hurtling across a star system, granted it's pretty easy since there is no friction in space to slow peopledown.

But lets put the power into perspective.

It's been stated in the series that Goku usually ends up pulling his punches. Because he's a nice guy.

In Dragonball, Master Roshi, with one shot from a Kamehameha, blew up the moon. Completely obliterated the moon.

In Dragonball Z, we have SSJ Goku, who is easily at least 30 times more powerful that Roshi was at that second.

Now lets look a bit more deep into the Super Saiyan, Goku, like Vegeta had mastered the USSJ forms while training to fight Cell, however Goku realized that the USSJ forms wouldn't help that much against Cell because it makes whoever goes USSJ incredibly slower than normal SSJ.

With one nice big powered up shot from a USSJ 2/3(I forget) Vegeta, the final flash, Vegeta could have completely obliterated the planet in that attempt to kill Cell, as we heard from Trunks, Vegeta on the other hand angled it so the shot wouldn't actually hit the planet, just skim most of the surface then shoot off into space.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vDggiKMiUFw

This is before SSJ2 is even hit. When SSJ2 comes around, shots like this can be fired off without even trying.

Now, if Superman could somehow destroy a planet with his eye-lazers, then he could probably stand a chance against Goku.

Superman may be able to take Goku in a straight out fist fight for a little bit. But as soon as Goku starts using energy attacks, he's done for.

However, the only way Batman would be able to help, is if he is somehow able to whip up a machine that drains life energy and use that on Goku.

Or get Zatanna to use a spell to block Goku from using energy attacks.

If not, if Goku goes anywhere between SSJ-SSJ3(4 does not exist), Superman is done for.

For SSJ3 the fight wouldn't even be fair, one Dragonfist and Superman is thrashed.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gHJrN-26nhw

Senor Hugo wrote:With one nice big powered up shot from a USSJ 2/3(I forget) Vegeta, the final flash, Vegeta could have completely obliterated the planet in that attempt to kill Cell, as we heard from Trunks, Vegeta on the other hand angled it so the shot wouldn't actually hit the planet, just skim most of the surface then shoot off into space.

Vegeta wiped out that planet (can't remember what it was called) when he and Nappa were heading to Earth in the Saiyan Saga.

He certainly wasn't a super saiyan back then.

Plaything wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:With one nice big powered up shot from a USSJ 2/3(I forget) Vegeta, the final flash, Vegeta could have completely obliterated the planet in that attempt to kill Cell, as we heard from Trunks, Vegeta on the other hand angled it so the shot wouldn't actually hit the planet, just skim most of the surface then shoot off into space.

Vegeta wiped out that planet (can't remember what it was called) when he and Nappa were heading to Earth in the Saiyan Saga.

He certainly wasn't a super saiyan back then.

True, but he did have his tail then, and the technique to simulate the rays of a full moon, which multiplied his power by a ton.

Also, he didn't wipe out the planet itself, just the major life on it. Which going with DC comics, more than enough characters(like Darksied) if they had free reign on a planet with no super-heroes to stand in their way, could wipe out most/all life on a planet in a couple days.

Which brings me back to my original point, if Superman were to fight any incarnation of Goku, the only version that would make it an even and fair fight would be Goku before going to Namek.

Inferno Prime wrote:Where was Goku's martial arts training? All his masters focused on strength and Ki training. Lets not pretend he's like batman just because he dresses like a ninja.

Did you even watch the show?? It's all technique in the beginning!

All through the show up until the Boo saga all they talk about is how flawless Goku's technique is and then how strong he is. Just watch Dead Zone, the whole movie is technique not strength until the very end.

Plaything wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:With one nice big powered up shot from a USSJ 2/3(I forget) Vegeta, the final flash, Vegeta could have completely obliterated the planet in that attempt to kill Cell, as we heard from Trunks, Vegeta on the other hand angled it so the shot wouldn't actually hit the planet, just skim most of the surface then shoot off into space.

Vegeta wiped out that planet (can't remember what it was called) when he and Nappa were heading to Earth in the Saiyan Saga.

He certainly wasn't a super saiyan back then.

The planet you speak of is Arlia and Vegeta strategically blasted an open lava pool that lead directly to the center of that unstable planet. Even the slightest blast would cause that planet to explode, even if it had been a blast from Master Roshi.

Goku is just Harry Potter on steroids. Anyway, they're all impossible and Batman is dead. Letter openers win.