Tekka wrote:What she doesn't realize is that Springer actually loves Rodimus.
But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.
He's a very tiny but speedy watercraft. She has to bend over to hold on to him and not fall off as he moves. She did the same in the episode itself.Rated X wrote:Sabrblade wrote:But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.
Ummmm....shes bent over practically twerking on top of seaspray. I thought you were from Florida homie?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.
fenrir72 wrote:Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the female human anatomy...........Eeeeeeeeeeew!
Sabrblade wrote:He's a very tiny but speedy watercraft. She has to bend over to hold on to him and not fall off as he moves. She did the same in the episode itself.Rated X wrote:Sabrblade wrote:But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.
Ummmm....shes bent over practically twerking on top of seaspray. I thought you were from Florida homie?
And don't mistake the rest of our state for Miami.
ZeroWolf wrote:How many more of these are left now? Won't be long before the mangaka is finished drawing these (since he likes drawing girls maybe he would be better suited sticking to ecchi series instead)
Having lost the war for Beast, Tigerburn returns to the Legends World with his Laser Beast army and attempts a conquest by using the Three Wise Ones' Water Gem to flood the world and turn the inhabitants into Laser Beasts. Rattrap demands to know why the losing side of the war keeps coming to his world, but Tigerburn's explanation, involving the Legends World's Beast Power, is interrupted by an attack from Seaspray and Alana. The Autobot explains that Tlalak is suffering from a major drought, so he and his girlfriend are seeking to restore the planet's water supply using the power of the Water Gem. A voice in Tigerburn's head encourages him to use the gem for benevolent purposes, but he tells it to shut up—as White Lune explains to a confused Chromedome, he's hearing the voice of Lione, whom he has merged with. Tigerburn proceeds to use his head mode to take control of Trypticon, transforming the giant dinosaur into a Laser Beast.
Alana wishes to join the battle and asks Seaspray to blast her with water from the Well of Transformation, turning her into a Transformer again, but the power of the water catches Tigerburn's attention and he grabs the water gun and dumps the contents on himself. That being the last of the well's water, Seaspray apologizes to Alana for causing her to be stuck with her robot body, though she doesn't mind as long as they're together and explains that since Tigerburn's body contains two minds, the water won't affect him the way he thinks it will. Indeed, the desires of Lione's heart overpower those of Tigerburn's and he is able to use the water's transformative properties to separate the Laser Beast from his body. The invaders retreat back to their own dimension, and Seaspray and Alana reflect that where the Laser Beasts' hearts are cold like machines, Lione's actions prove that while the Transformers have machine bodies, their hearts are true. Having recovered the Water Gem, they then discuss taking a vacation on Beast after restoring Tlalak and returning the gem to the Beastformers, leaving the singles Rattrap and Tigatron jealous and annoyed by the happy couple.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeroWolf wrote:Kenichi sonada...ah! The mangaka of gunsmith cats and riding bean. Thought the name was familiar. Also don't mistake my comment for "2d girl = bad" i just said I think his style would fit an ecchi series, then he could have free reign to go even more over the top! I mean have you seen to love ru?
Though what we really need is studio trigger to step in with another tf anime it's been twelve-thirteen years since transformers cybertron, it think it's over due them being allowed a cracking at it.
Black Hat wrote:(Massive essay on Sakamoto and the comics industry in general below)
The thing with Sakamoto is he's actually pretty tame in comparison to most "fanservicey" comic/manga artists (on both sides of the world). Most of his fanservice is played for comedy as much as anything, and at the very least makes anatomical sense, as opposed to some artists (Rob "What is a foot" Liefeld, Masami "Master of Mecha, Woeful at Women" Obari, etc) and when it doesn't it's usually done in a silly enough style that it doesn't stand out too much. And compared to other "ecchi" comics (regardless of global hemisphere) his stuff is borderline prudish. Look at the Gunsmith Cats manga (which is absolutely excellent but very sleazy, albeit intentionally as the series is set in 90s Chicago, is about crime and follows a cast of characters who range from scummy to psychotic) or on the other end of the scale of "actually good", Eiken.
Sure, he has drawn some pretty cringeworthy porn in his off time, but so has literally every comic artist ever. After all, David Willis/ItsWalky/The Wikifuhrer does a fair bit of truly ghastly porn and he's still a fandom darling. Though I have a feeling if he didn't run the wiki and if he wasn't surrounded by cronies in an echo chamber he'd be pretty universally hated, because seriously he is a lunatic.
I think the problem is that outside of Kiss Players (which went too far the other way), Transformers has been almost weirdly asexual, even in Japan- and most of the stuff that does have it in to any degree is pretty obscure. I don't even mean anything explicit or massively ecchi, but there's barely even any hints that romance exists in the Transformers franchise half the time, let alone anything remotely sexual- the result being that TF fans are often very oversensitive to such things from lack of exposure. Like, Sailor Moon is more risque than Transformers, and that was primarily a young girls' show! Outside of Kiss Players (because seriously that was weird) and the Legends manga (because that's been discussed to death already) there's very little in the way of even love themes, let alone fanservice. Off the top of my head, I can think of:
>Octane trying to tune in to "G-rated porn" in G1 for a few seconds
>The occasional sly innuendo in Beast Wars, and a few romantic relationships such as Silverbolt/Blackarachnia and Tigatron/Airrazor.
>Cain and Akira (was that his name?) from Zone being blatant fujoshi bait uh I mean, the first GLBT representation in the brand.
>BWII having the Scuba/Bighorn/Scylla triangle of hilarity.
>Thunderblast's tits in Cybertron.
>A fair bit of human "fanservice" in the movies (which barely counts as it's more or less generic teenage boy bait you'd see in any similar movie, and the Transformers themselves never show anything even remotely approaching personality romantic attraction or sexuality outside of Devastator's scrotum. Which to be fair, made me and my mother laugh quite a bit, even if only because of John Tuturro's line delivery.)
>Elita and Optimus in Animated, along with occasional very well disguised dirty jokes (more reasons Animated is the best cartoon ever).
>Whatever the hell is going on with IDW, which is less fanservice and more a mix of melodramatic angsty romance fangirl bait and "Look how progressive we are" virtue signalling.
>That one BotCon comic that Sakamoto helped with that upset the Tumblrites.
And...that's really about it. I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can recall off the top of my head. It sounds like a lot but when you consider the brand is 34 years old and made of countless continuities and sub-continuities by a variety of creators, it's pretty minuscule.
Now obviously fanservice and romantic or sexual themes don't automatically make something better (though they don't make it automatically worse either) but the relative dearth of it in the brand compared even to other kid's shows (and definitely to other anime/manga) would go some way to explaining why the fandom has such a knee-jerk reaction to its inclusion in Transformers media- that is, they're relatively unused to it and so even the tamest content raises eyebrows when in other fandoms it probably wouldn't even be noticed.
Now I'm not saying that what the world needs is for every Transformers series to become softcore porn, that would be very silly. But I for one would like to see more "proper" Transformers series, Japanese or Western, that actually features romantic themes and yes, even subtle hints of sexuality, preferably kept fairly tame if it's a kid's show, though obviously something made for more mature audiences could get away with more. Other shows on both sides of the globe have made cartoon or comic series (for kids and adults) that handle such themes maturely and tastefully, or in the case of "fanservice" at least do it in good humour or make it genuinely appealing. Why shouldn't Transformers? In the case of handling themes with care and respect, look at Cardcaptor Sakura, which is extremely kid-friendly and a lovely show but does handle more mature themes. On the other end of the spectrum, look at Animaniacs, which was positively filled with innuendo but was absolutely hilarious. And for a combination of both look at Sailor Moon, a timeless classic anyone can enjoy that includes mature, well-executed romance and tension, appealing characters and the occasional bit of ever so slightly ecchi (but no less funny) humour. And if a series about cute girls fighting monsters in sailor suit-themed ballet outfits can do it then by God, so can a series about robots that turn into cars.
TLDR: The Legends manga, whilst not exactly high art, isn't actually that bad, it's just that the Transformers fandom is possibly oversensitive to fanservice.
On topic, yeah Kenichi Sonoda is a goddamn good artist, and an absolute madman to boot. Also good to see someone else who actually knows Riding Bean exists, ZeroWolf. I need to watch it, I hear it makes the Gunsmith Cats OVA pale in comparison- and that was fantastic. Bubblegum Crisis is still my favourite thing of his though.
Who else would make for a good mangaka/creative director for Transformers (aside from Trigger/Imaishi because that's easy mode)? Mika Akitaka (the Galaxy Fraulein Yuna guy) would be pretty great IMO, he's a really good artist both for characters and machines.
A Misguided Individual wrote:But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.
ZeroWolf wrote:How many more of these are left now? Won't be long before the mangaka is finished drawing these (since he likes drawing girls maybe he would be better suited sticking to ecchi series instead)
ZeroWolf wrote:How many more of these are left now? Won't be long before the mangaka is finished drawing these (since he likes drawing girls maybe he would be better suited sticking to ecchi series instead)
primalxconvoy wrote:It's hardly a "return to form", as some of the seemingly less cerebral amongst us here have erroneously stated.
Burn wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:It's hardly a "return to form", as some of the seemingly less cerebral amongst us here have erroneously stated.
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