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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:48 pm

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People wouldn't be getting upset about it so much if Sakamoto only put that kind of stuff in these Legends pack-in comics every once in a blue moon instead of consistently going out of his way to put it in nearly every single pack-in comic. >:oP

Black Hat wrote:That's something of an exaggeration. Basically every character is canonically older than they were in their original portrayal,
We really don't know how long after the Masterforce cartoon the year 2021 takes place, as the Masterforce cartoon still has no official year placement of its own. For all we know, the Headmaster Juniors could all now just be one year older than they were in the cartoon, which would make Minerva merely 16 as she was 15 in the cartoon.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:16 pm

Ya know it’s not just Sakamoto ya know? It’s not like Takara is just taking what he draws and prints them and puts them in the box. They are reading and approving the comics.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:People wouldn't be getting upset about it so much if Sakamoto only put that kind of stuff in these Legends pack-in comics every once in a blue moon instead of consistently going out of his way to put it in nearly every single pack-in comic. >:oP

Black Hat wrote:That's something of an exaggeration. Basically every character is canonically older than they were in their original portrayal,
We really don't know how long after the Masterforce cartoon the year 2021 takes place, as the Masterforce cartoon still has no official year placement of its own. For all we know, the Headmaster Juniors could all now just be one year older than they were in the cartoon, which would make Minerva merely 16 as she was 15 in the cartoon.



It’s post 2030. The intro to Broadsides comic took place in 2030 so the kids are in their 20s now if you’re saying master force was 2021 and they were 15-16 so that would put the master force trio on their mid 20s
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:32 pm

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Randomhero wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:People wouldn't be getting upset about it so much if Sakamoto only put that kind of stuff in these Legends pack-in comics every once in a blue moon instead of consistently going out of his way to put it in nearly every single pack-in comic. >:oP

Black Hat wrote:That's something of an exaggeration. Basically every character is canonically older than they were in their original portrayal,
We really don't know how long after the Masterforce cartoon the year 2021 takes place, as the Masterforce cartoon still has no official year placement of its own. For all we know, the Headmaster Juniors could all now just be one year older than they were in the cartoon, which would make Minerva merely 16 as she was 15 in the cartoon.



It’s post 2030. The intro to Broadsides comic took place in 2030 so the kids are in their 20s now if you’re saying master force was 2021 and they were 15-16 so that would put the master force trio on their mid 20s
No no no. The Headmaster Juniors came to the Legends World from the year 2021 of the G1 World. Broadside and the Aerialbots (and Megatron, for that matter) came to the Legends World from the 2030s of the G1 World.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:43 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:People wouldn't be getting upset about it so much if Sakamoto only put that kind of stuff in these Legends pack-in comics every once in a blue moon instead of consistently going out of his way to put it in nearly every single pack-in comic. >:oP

Black Hat wrote:That's something of an exaggeration. Basically every character is canonically older than they were in their original portrayal,
We really don't know how long after the Masterforce cartoon the year 2021 takes place, as the Masterforce cartoon still has no official year placement of its own. For all we know, the Headmaster Juniors could all now just be one year older than they were in the cartoon, which would make Minerva merely 16 as she was 15 in the cartoon.



It’s post 2030. The intro to Broadsides comic took place in 2030 so the kids are in their 20s now if you’re saying master force was 2021 and they were 15-16 so that would put the master force trio on their mid 20s
No no no. The Headmaster Juniors came to the Legends World from the year 2021 of the G1 World. Broadside and the Aerialbots (and Megatron, for that matter) came to the Legends World from the 2030s of the G1 World.


So there’s time traveling or has 9 years just passed in the legends univers? because there has been a lot of stuff that’s happened in the legends universe. I’d honestly be okay if just time has passed.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:50 pm

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Randomhero wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:People wouldn't be getting upset about it so much if Sakamoto only put that kind of stuff in these Legends pack-in comics every once in a blue moon instead of consistently going out of his way to put it in nearly every single pack-in comic. >:oP

Black Hat wrote:That's something of an exaggeration. Basically every character is canonically older than they were in their original portrayal,
We really don't know how long after the Masterforce cartoon the year 2021 takes place, as the Masterforce cartoon still has no official year placement of its own. For all we know, the Headmaster Juniors could all now just be one year older than they were in the cartoon, which would make Minerva merely 16 as she was 15 in the cartoon.



It’s post 2030. The intro to Broadsides comic took place in 2030 so the kids are in their 20s now if you’re saying master force was 2021 and they were 15-16 so that would put the master force trio on their mid 20s
No no no. The Headmaster Juniors came to the Legends World from the year 2021 of the G1 World. Broadside and the Aerialbots (and Megatron, for that matter) came to the Legends World from the 2030s of the G1 World.


So there’s time traveling or has 9 years just passed in the legends univers? because there has been a lot of stuff that’s happened in the legends universe. I’d honestly be okay if just time has passed.
Time in the Legends World is grossly out of sync with time in the G1 World to the point of nonsense. For instance, Megatron arrived in the Legends World from the G1 World's 2030s. Then, the Headmaster Juniors, Headmasters, Targetmasters, Twincast, and Soundblaster all arrived in the Legends World after Megatron, but having come from the G1 World's year of 2021. And now, Broadside and the Aerialbots have arrived in the Legends World after all of those guys, but came from a point in the G1 World's 2030s before Megatron's original departure date in that same G1 World's 2030s. It's like anyone can just come and go between worlds at any point in time in the G1 World, only to arrive in the same era of the Legends World completely out of chronological order from the G1 World's timeline and all within a reasonably close proximity to each other's arrival time in the Legends World. 8-}
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:58 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:People wouldn't be getting upset about it so much if Sakamoto only put that kind of stuff in these Legends pack-in comics every once in a blue moon instead of consistently going out of his way to put it in nearly every single pack-in comic. >:oP

Black Hat wrote:That's something of an exaggeration. Basically every character is canonically older than they were in their original portrayal,
We really don't know how long after the Masterforce cartoon the year 2021 takes place, as the Masterforce cartoon still has no official year placement of its own. For all we know, the Headmaster Juniors could all now just be one year older than they were in the cartoon, which would make Minerva merely 16 as she was 15 in the cartoon.



It’s post 2030. The intro to Broadsides comic took place in 2030 so the kids are in their 20s now if you’re saying master force was 2021 and they were 15-16 so that would put the master force trio on their mid 20s
No no no. The Headmaster Juniors came to the Legends World from the year 2021 of the G1 World. Broadside and the Aerialbots (and Megatron, for that matter) came to the Legends World from the 2030s of the G1 World.


So there’s time traveling or has 9 years just passed in the legends univers? because there has been a lot of stuff that’s happened in the legends universe. I’d honestly be okay if just time has passed.
Time in the Legends World is grossly out of sync with time in the G1 World to the point of nonsense. For instance, Megatron arrived in the Legends World from the G1 World's 2030s. Then, the Headmaster Juniors, Headmasters, Targetmasters, Twincast, and Soundblaster all arrived in the Legends World after Megatron, but having come from the G1 World's year of 2021. And now, Broadside and the Aerialbots have arrived in the Legends World after all of those guys, but came from a point in the G1 World's 2030s before Megatron's original departure date in that same G1 World's 2030s. It's like anyone can just come and go between worlds at any point in time in the G1 World, only to arrive in the same era of the Legends World completely out of chronological order from the G1 World's timeline and all within a reasonably close proximity to each other's arrival time in the Legends World. 8-}


All that and people get pissy over Sakamoto drawing what some(not me) call controversial things. This entire universe is a giant joke. I’m reading the tfwik articles of each comic right now and am at LG Megatron and all I can do is shake my head.

People take this comic too seriously to get offended by its content.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Lore Keeper » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:02 am

I don't think anyone is offended by these comics. It's just beginning to seem that Sakamoto is going out of his way to include a naked girl in every issue he can for some reason. Definitely coming off as kind of pervey.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:05 am

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Cab drags Shūta along to peek on Minerva in the shower, trying to defend the violation of privacy as "appreciating beauty", and they end up caught in the act when Godbomber chimes in using telepathy and Minerva overhears his thoughts. Ginrai interrupts to bring them all along on a delivery to Bonapar Island, but as they fly across the Pacific Ocean on Godbomber, they get shot down by the Gigatank firing from the island. Godbomber transforms to robot mode fight back, only for the Megajet to appear, blast the Headmasters off of both Super Ginrai and Godbomber, and capture them.

Giga and Mega haven't accounted for the Headmaster Juniors traveling inside Godbomber, however, and Shūta is able to kick the head-mode Minerva and Cab at the Super Ginrai and Godbomber transtectors, allowing them to become "Super Minerva" and "God Cab". The two combine into "God Minerva" mode and recover Ginrai and Godbomber from Giga and Mega, who make their escape with Ginrai's shipment—new Master-Braces made for research purposes. While Ginrai and the others are left wondering why their old enemies have come back to life, Giga revels in the fact that he and Mega can once again operate a transtector and finally get their revenge on Ginrai.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:07 am

Lore Keeper wrote:I don't think anyone is offended by these comics. It's just beginning to seem that Sakamoto is going out of his way to include a naked girl in every issue he can for some reason. Definitely coming off as kind of pervey.


That’s your perspective and again, Takara publishes it. They look at the comics too and if they find it just fine and meets their standards who are we to judge?

Oh there are. Not gonna get into it too deep but let’s just say someone was so out right offended they were blowing up not just this just other sites boards demanding the sites change stuff around to accommodate them and their personal views. Tfw2005 ended up deleting entire pages of posts.

Honestly I’m just going to say this:

If you repeatedly get upset over the content of the Legends comic over and over every time new releases happen then stop reading them. After so many times why continue clicking on the articles? It’s not like complaining does anything. Unlike some comic artists and writers, Sakamoto is not part of the community outside Japan. He doesn’t know know English. He has to have a translator when he goes to cons and has to have scripts from IDW translated to Japanese when he does work for them. He doesn’t see the complaints.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Lore Keeper » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 am

Randomhero wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:I don't think anyone is offended by these comics. It's just beginning to seem that Sakamoto is going out of his way to include a naked girl in every issue he can for some reason. Definitely coming off as kind of pervey.


That’s your perspective and again, Takara publishes it. They look at the comics too and if they find it just fine and meets their standards who are we to judge?

Oh there are. Not gonna get into it too deep but let’s just say someone was so out right offended they were blowing up not just this just other sites boards demanding the sites change stuff around to accommodate them and their personal views. Tfw2005 ended up deleting entire pages of posts.

Oh wow. I wish I could have seen that little tirade before they deleted it! :lol:
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:13 am

Lore Keeper wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:I don't think anyone is offended by these comics. It's just beginning to seem that Sakamoto is going out of his way to include a naked girl in every issue he can for some reason. Definitely coming off as kind of pervey.


That’s your perspective and again, Takara publishes it. They look at the comics too and if they find it just fine and meets their standards who are we to judge?

Oh there are. Not gonna get into it too deep but let’s just say someone was so out right offended they were blowing up not just this just other sites boards demanding the sites change stuff around to accommodate them and their personal views. Tfw2005 ended up deleting entire pages of posts.

Oh wow. I wish I could have seen that little tirade before they deleted it! :lol:



It’s happened a couple times in the past couple months but the one I’m mentioning was certainly a thing
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby RacerCheetor » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:54 am

This pervert of Sakamoto surpassed the fanservice to include nude in his comic haha...
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Moonshot » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:59 pm

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I love these Legends comics. So crazy and out there but still working to connect Japan G1 lore. Sakamoto has been great here and on his TFCC stuff.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:05 pm

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RacerCheetor wrote:This pervert of Sakamoto surpassed the fanservice to include nude in his comic haha...


Fan service is quite common in manga and anime for older children. Read and watch some, and you'll see how much we censor it ;)

Moonshot wrote:I love these Legends comics. So crazy and out there but still working to connect Japan G1 lore. Sakamoto has been great here and on his TFCC stuff.


To be fair, the Legends manga is nothing more but fanwank deep down with hints to every single corner of the overall fiction, to Japanese pop culture in general, and then some, without any desire to connect it to anything. That's all there is to it.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Black Hat » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:30 pm

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So let me get this straight.

You expressed your dislike of the Legends comic when it was all one thread and demanded the comics be split into their own thread because the sight of cartoon skin pains your posterior. Your demands were accepted and the threads were split...

...And you then came into the comics thread SOLELY to stir sh!t up, knowing full well there would be material within you disliked, which had been split into this thread thanks to your bleatings?

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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:35 pm

Hey primalxconvoy, see what you just posted? Worse than what these comics show.

You've made it perfectly clear you don't approve of these comics, so I have no idea what you're doing in this thread other than intentionally starting ****.

Which is why I deleted your post.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:12 pm

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So let me get this straight.

You expressed your dislike of the Legends comic when it was all one thread and demanded the comics be split into their own thread because the sight of cartoon skin pains your posterior. Your demands were accepted and the threads were split...

...And you then came into the comics thread SOLELY to stir sh!t up, knowing full well there would be material within you disliked, which had been split into this thread thanks to your bleatings?

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I asked for a separare thread for a number of reasons:

- it was interfering with discussing about the toys.

-some people found the comics offensive.

- Having a place to discuss, negatively or positively, the comics
is important. It's not the "Let's extol the virtues of these comics", it's a DISCUSSION. Thus, people should be free to comment or criticize such content.

My original post was not racist, sexist or offensive in anyway. There might be people that didn't agree with the views contained in it, but removing it, while keeping the original (which is media that HAS caused offense) seems to not be in keeping with the promotion of free speech. At worst, it seems to be supporting the right to post such comics, while removing criticisms or parodies of such content.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

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Drop it. NOW.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 pm

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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Moonshot » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:36 am

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Ive never read anywhere that we as users have free speech "protection" here. If the owner or mods dont like what we post, they have every right to delete it. Whether or not that is hypocritical is irrelevant. So again I say I love these comics and the Legendverse.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:03 pm

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Moonshot wrote:Ive never read anywhere that we as users have free speech "protection" here. If the owner or mods dont like what we post, they have every right to delete it. Whether or not that is hypocritical is irrelevant. So again I say I love these comics and the Legendverse.


That's true. In any private website or physical establishment or service, people have the right to say what they want, up to the point they are removed. In the UK, this even goes up to the point where someone can be refused entry for any reason and/or given no reason. The person refused entry then has the option of sueing, of course (which isn't relevant to this discussion). This is basically used in nightclubs, or even some snobby shops to refuse entry to customers the staff "don't like the look of".

My point was that, regardless of actual rights, does any website want to be seen as not promoting free speech? In my context, it wasn't the fact that I criticised the comic, but the language I used. I'm sure if I had used different language, it wouldn't have been removed.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:30 pm

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I think people are kinda forgetting that in Japan they have fanservice all the time in their anime and manga even the kid shows.

Anyone remember the Pokemon episodes or moments that either never came to the west or were edited to be less adult? Do people remember James in the bikini...ugh

It's creepy for us but it's a bit less so in Japan as long as it doesn't go to far like Kiss Players.
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Re: Takara Legends Manga Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:51 pm

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Moonshot wrote:Ive never read anywhere that we as users have free speech "protection" here. If the owner or mods dont like what we post, they have every right to delete it. Whether or not that is hypocritical is irrelevant. So again I say I love these comics and the Legendverse.


That's true. In any private website or physical establishment or service, people have the right to say what they want, up to the point they are removed. In the UK, this even goes up to the point where someone can be refused entry for any reason and/or given no reason. The person refused entry then has the option of sueing, of course (which isn't relevant to this discussion). This is basically used in nightclubs, or even some snobby shops to refuse entry to customers the staff "don't like the look of".

My point was that, regardless of actual rights, does any website want to be seen as not promoting free speech? In my context, it wasn't the fact that I criticised the comic, but the language I used. I'm sure if I had used different language, it wouldn't have been removed.


Since we're talking the concept of free speech, why not continue in the Political Related thread? It could use some action :)

Back to the manga... I agree the amount of fanservice is a bit over the top at the moment, but we're plainly forgetting the female bots got their share as well:

- having clothes torn off by Apeface
- Arcee as a cheerleader having her skirt flipped up by Wheelie
- dressing up in costumes of all kinds

Also, poor Cab...

Legends is getting closer to its end with Power of Prime in the starting blocks. Maybe this is a way for Sakamoto to go out with a bang?
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