Good point, and building on that, it would be especially enticing because if they went for accuracy then the ears would be yellow still. And those who aren't happy with the SS toon head could use it for him insteadJelZe GoldRabbit wrote:If there was a alternate toy-accurate head planned, they're probably saving that for Spin-Out, to make it more enticing for being more than a mere Sunstreaker redeco.
Diem wrote:Just to be clear, I am 100% behind toy accuracy. I made sure when I bought Bumble that the toy-accurate face came with, and it's what he's been wearing ever since I got him. The only version of Streak I own is MP-18S with the totally silver car mode. I love that these incarnations of these figures are available.
But, but, I entirely understand Takara's process here and I agree with the decisions they've made recently. I'd have done the same if I were in their shoes. Unless you include multiple heads then every decision you make is going to make an enemy of some part of the fandom. Choose the wider-than-it-is-tall G1 toy head with the distinctive L-shaped horns and you'll annoy the cartoon purists, the Marvel fans, and that one guy who liked Infiltration. Pick the CW-style head with the narrow, J-shaped horns and you've annoyed all of the above, plus classic toy fans.
If you're going to be stuck in a storm whichever way you sail, you may as well aim for the biggest island you can see, which in this case is The-Character-Model-That-Was-Used-For-The-Cartoon-And-The-Comic-And-The-Movie Island, surrounded by the equally noble but far smaller IslandDW and Toy-Accurate Archipelago.
I get that we all want to get the optimal (some might even say "masterpiece") version of these characters, and there's nothing wrong with that desire. But that often means some kind of hybrid of designs from all different versions, and that's usually something that lives and dies on individual preferences. And when you're sailing in a storm and wanting to avoid sinking, the Badcube shark nipping at your oars eliminates any willingness to take risks that you might have had in your younger days.
tl;dr Diem is a filthy corporate stooge apologist
Seibertron wrote:C'mon Takara! Not a fan of the overly cartoon head or bodies. Please stop!!!
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Seibertron wrote:C'mon Takara! Not a fan of the overly cartoon head or bodies. Please stop!!!
Fully agree. I saw this reveal not long after leaving yesterday morning for a trip, and I almost threw up.
No joke, this MP looks awful in bot mode. The car mode is dead sexy, but the robot mode... BLEEECCCCKKKKKKKKK. That head is the worst MP head I have seen, ever. It is not good. Just stop. Please.
Most likely more of Lambo's insistence that the altmode resemble the real world car as much as possible, as the chrome spoiler of the G1 toy was yet another aspect of the custom work done to the car's model like the exposed engine block was.Wolfman Jake wrote:Any idea yet on the yellow spoiler?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
sol magnus wrote:But, but, I entirely understand Takara's process here and I agree with the decisions they've made recently. I'd have done the same if I were in their shoes. Unless you include multiple heads then every decision you make is going to make an enemy of some part of the fandom. Choose the wider-than-it-is-tall G1 toy head with the distinctive L-shaped horns and you'll annoy the cartoon purists, the Marvel fans, and that one guy who liked Infiltration. Pick the CW-style head with the narrow, J-shaped horns and you've annoyed all of the above, plus classic toy fans.
Seibertron wrote:
Making the toy head for the red version isnt what i want either because it wont be for sunstreaker, unless they do it delta magnus style by coming with sunstreakers head in that set because the red version wont need the alien head or other faces.
Or just add the detailing I'm asking for by adding in the much accepted vent lines that is a staple of Sunstreaker's appearance.
Out of curiosity, how would you have felt about toys that looked like they walked off the cartoon screen back when you were a child, before having developed the more adult-minded aesthetic tastes that you have now?Seibertron wrote:I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Out of curiosity, how would you have felt about toys that looked like they walked off the cartoon screen back when you were a child, before having developed the more adult-minded aesthetic tastes that you have now?Seibertron wrote:I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Sabrblade wrote:Out of curiosity, how would you have felt about toys that looked like they walked off the cartoon screen back when you were a child, before having developed the more adult-minded aesthetic tastes that you have now?Seibertron wrote:I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details.
Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Out of curiosity, how would you have felt about toys that looked like they walked off the cartoon screen back when you were a child, before having developed the more adult-minded aesthetic tastes that you have now?Seibertron wrote:I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details.
I'm not 7 years old though, and these toys aren't being designed for a 7 year old. When I was a kid, I thought most of the toys looked like their screen counterparts and I never noticed that He-Man toys reused limbs and accessories from each other, so I'm heavily discounting the ability of 7 year old Ryan to discern what a good looking toy was because I was too involved with just playing with my toys at that age 33 years ago (and considering that my avatar is the earliest drawing I have of Bumblebee from 1984 or 1985, I'm assuming screen accuracy wasn't too high on my list).
This argument between those of you happy with Takara's new direction of the Masterpiece line and those of us who want a real-world/detailed cartoon look is frustrating at best. I can't imagine that you guys would be upset with more details from the toys. Were you guys upset that Wheeljack, Prowl, Sideswipe, Optimus Prime, and Bluestreak were a fantastic hybrid between their toys and their cartoon models? I wish I knew how to better explain what it is that I like and that I expect to see more details in a "Masterpiece" figure. Flat, undetailed panels are not what I want.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:There's a seriously fascinating psychological dichotomy of, on the one hand: not wanting cartoon accuracy in the g1 mp line, whilst on the other: almost demanding it from the bw mp line - and yes, I fall right into this possible hypocrisy too.
I'm not sure where this comes from, except that the g1 toys were far more visually interesting than the cartoon, whereas the bw toys were both satisfactory on their own, but also a step down from the sometimes vastly differing show models.
Just something that I've been pondering for a while.
Hellscream9999 wrote:There's a seriously fascinating psychological dichotomy of, on the one hand: not wanting cartoon accuracy in the g1 mp line, whilst on the other: almost demanding it from the bw mp line - and yes, I fall right into this possible hypocrisy too.
I'm not sure where this comes from, except that the g1 toys were far more visually interesting than the cartoon, whereas the bw toys were both satisfactory on their own, but also a step down from the sometimes vastly differing show models.
Just something that I've been pondering for a while.
Diem wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:There's a seriously fascinating psychological dichotomy of, on the one hand: not wanting cartoon accuracy in the g1 mp line, whilst on the other: almost demanding it from the bw mp line - and yes, I fall right into this possible hypocrisy too.
I'm not sure where this comes from, except that the g1 toys were far more visually interesting than the cartoon, whereas the bw toys were both satisfactory on their own, but also a step down from the sometimes vastly differing show models.
Just something that I've been pondering for a while.
That point is interesting to me. The BW show looked great for the time, but looking back there are a lot of leathery fur and undetailed gradient metal textures on those old models. If anything I think of those models being made lackluster by time while cartoons are comparatively timeless.
But for some reason this makes me think of Super Imaginative Chogokin, a subline of Bandai figures designed around taking existing character designs (mostly Kamen Rider) and literally making them as detailed as they could possibly be. Organic parts get scales and veins and bones. Armour parts get filigree and intricate designs. Tech parts get microscopic pipes and valves and fuses. Musculature looks like Carnage on a bad day.
And I'd be interested to see what they would do with the Beast Wars designs in another world where Bandai and Takara ever started playing nice.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
I know. But since I know how you feel about it now as an adult, I'm asking about how you would have felt about it as a kid.Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Out of curiosity, how would you have felt about toys that looked like they walked off the cartoon screen back when you were a child, before having developed the more adult-minded aesthetic tastes that you have now?Seibertron wrote:I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details.
I'm not 7 years old though,
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I know. But since I know how you feel about it now as an adult, I'm asking about how you would have felt about it as a kid.Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Out of curiosity, how would you have felt about toys that looked like they walked off the cartoon screen back when you were a child, before having developed the more adult-minded aesthetic tastes that you have now?Seibertron wrote:I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details.
I'm not 7 years old though,
Like, did your younger self like how the Action Masters looked more like the cartoon, or did that matter at all back then?
Me a few posts ago wrote:I'm not 7 years old though, and these toys aren't being designed for a 7 year old. When I was a kid, I thought most of the toys looked like their screen counterparts and I never noticed that He-Man toys reused limbs and accessories from each other, so I'm heavily discounting the ability of 7 year old Ryan to discern what a good looking toy was because I was too involved with just playing with my toys at that age 33 years ago (and considering that my avatar is the earliest drawing I have of Bumblebee from 1984 or 1985, I'm assuming screen accuracy wasn't too high on my list).
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