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[Doctor McGrath]

I also don't know what Kobayashi used as reference for this Ironhide.

Kobayashi didn't design this Ironhide.

Someone named Hisao Nishimoto did.

Didn't know that. Has Takara said why?

[Sabrblade]

I also don't know what Kobayashi used as reference for this Ironhide.

Kobayashi didn't design this Ironhide.

Someone named Hisao Nishimoto did.

Didn't know that. Has Takara said why?

No one knows. *shrug*

[Cobotron]

Does anybody know if the Datsun van that is Ironhide's alt mode was ever sold in the US? I only remember seeing the similar shaped Toyota van when I was a kid.
I'm just thinking about how the licensing seems to differ between Japan and the US. Although Nissan seems more than happy to license their IP, since we've gotten Hasbro Prowl and Streak.

[megatronus]

I think people would be a lot more forgiving of this toy if Hasui was behind it.

Well, yea. Because then the toy would be better.

[Doctor McGrath]

I think people would be a lot more forgiving of this toy if Hasui was behind it.

Well, yea. Because then the toy would be better.

Easy assumption to make.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Considering how the original toy looked... This is the best official Ironhide ever

FINALLY! someone who understands!

He is a great looking figure. What we have here are some major splitting hairs. This is a gorgeous figure

[SkyWarpt]

Considering how the original toy looked... This is the best official Ironhide ever

FINALLY! someone who understands!

He is a great looking figure. What we have here are some major splitting hairs. This is a gorgeous figure

Agreed...same as MP Magnus. People will have complaints. I laughed at the tire butt cheeks myself, the wifey thought his butt was adorable. Really, I have no complaints and look forward to adding him and the inevitable Ratchet to my MP shelf.

[fenrir72]

I also don't know what Kobayashi used as reference for this Ironhide.

Kobayashi didn't design this Ironhide.

Someone named Hisao Nishimoto did.

Didn't know that. Has Takara said why?

Same with bishoujo figures, there's like a "producer" and the main designer/sculptor. Sometimes a superstar producer like Shoji Kawamori will have a team under his name/tutelage. Or in the Videogame world Kojima Productions/Team Ninja under Tomonobu Itagaki......or what used to be under them.

So there might be a Producer for a particular figure release.

[fenrir72]

Does anybody know if the Datsun van that is Ironhide's alt mode was ever sold in the US? I only remember seeing the similar shaped Toyota van when I was a kid.
I'm just thinking about how the licensing seems to differ between Japan and the US. Although Nissan seems more than happy to license their IP, since we've gotten Hasbro Prowl and Streak.

Asia most likely.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Considering how the original toy looked... This is the best official Ironhide ever

FINALLY! someone who understands!

He is a great looking figure. What we have here are some major splitting hairs. This is a gorgeous figure

Agreed...same as MP Magnus. People will have complaints. I laughed at the tire butt cheeks myself, the wifey thought his butt was adorable. Really, I have no complaints and look forward to adding him and the inevitable Ratchet to my MP shelf.

Agreed. This should be something greatly appreciated all other things considered. Maybe those people can settle for the Movie G1 styled leader Ironhide or the CW version

[fenrir72]

The differences between the toy and animation model are minimal at worst. Complainers are just nitpickers who love to split hair and complain about their full plate of food.

Seriously.

And I dare them not to order one and later gnash their teeth in regret!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

The differences between the toy and animation model are minimal at worst. Complainers are just nitpickers who love to split hair and complain about their full plate of food.

Seriously.

And I dare them not to order one and later gnash their teeth in regret!

now now now, we wish no one on here ill will.

But I think he may be right peoples. don't skip it.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

The differences between the toy and animation model are minimal at worst. Complainers are just nitpickers who love to split hair and complain about their full plate of food.

Seriously.

And I dare them not to order one and later gnash their teeth in regret!

now now now, we wish no one on here ill will.

But I think he may be right peoples. don't skip it.

I may not be able to get this version of the mold, since I've got a lot of Masterpieces to get first, but later I may get a Ratchet if they release him. He's not my favorite looking anyways, so I'd be happy with others like Wheeljack and Tracks if Ratchet doesn't get released.

I'd rather have Ratchet than Ironhide anyways because I liked him better in the cartoon than Ironhide. I love the ambulance mode.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

The differences between the toy and animation model are minimal at worst. Complainers are just nitpickers who love to split hair and complain about their full plate of food.

Seriously.

And I dare them not to order one and later gnash their teeth in regret!

now now now, we wish no one on here ill will.

But I think he may be right peoples. don't skip it.

I may not be able to get this version of the mold, since I've got a lot of Masterpieces to get first, but later I may get a Ratchet if they release him. He's not my favorite looking anyways, so I'd be happy with others like Wheeljack and Tracks if Ratchet doesn't get released.

I'd rather have Ratchet than Ironhide anyways because I liked him better in the cartoon than Ironhide. I love the ambulance mode.

If I get a Masterpiece, the first will be Sideswipe (unless a MP Trailbreaker comes out before I get him, favorite 2 you know?), but this would be one for my sister. She may not be that into transformers, but she loves Ironhide to no end (She cried for a while, including in the theater, when movie version died)

[DedicatedGhostArt]

The differences between the toy and animation model are minimal at worst. Complainers are just nitpickers who love to split hair and complain about their full plate of food.

Seriously.

And I dare them not to order one and later gnash their teeth in regret!

now now now, we wish no one on here ill will.

But I think he may be right peoples. don't skip it.

I may not be able to get this version of the mold, since I've got a lot of Masterpieces to get first, but later I may get a Ratchet if they release him. He's not my favorite looking anyways, so I'd be happy with others like Wheeljack and Tracks if Ratchet doesn't get released.

I'd rather have Ratchet than Ironhide anyways because I liked him better in the cartoon than Ironhide. I love the ambulance mode.

If I get a Masterpiece, the first will be Sideswipe (unless a MP Trailbreaker comes out before I get him, favorite 2 you know?), but this would be one for my sister. She may not be that into transformers, but she loves Ironhide to no end (She cried for a while, including in the theater, when movie version died)

Aww yeah, I wanted to cry too. ;_; He was such a good Autobot. DAMN YOU SENTINEL PRIME!

[fenrir72]

Ill will? Let's just call a spade a spade. As much as I respect their opposing opinions but do THEY respect theirs? Will they stand by it and risk not owning an official IH? Skip getting one? Regret always comes in the end.

I heard the same with UM about the buttock component.

Maybe not to prejudge the figure? Don't let the opportunity slip by fellas. Keep an open mind. All this negativity will turn off potential collectors who can easily be dissuaded by the lot.

[fenrir72]

The differences between the toy and animation model are minimal at worst. Complainers are just nitpickers who love to split hair and complain about their full plate of food.

Seriously.

And I dare them not to order one and later gnash their teeth in regret!

now now now, we wish no one on here ill will.

But I think he may be right peoples. don't skip it.

I may not be able to get this version of the mold, since I've got a lot of Masterpieces to get first, but later I may get a Ratchet if they release him. He's not my favorite looking anyways, so I'd be happy with others like Wheeljack and Tracks if Ratchet doesn't get released.

I'd rather have Ratchet than Ironhide anyways because I liked him better in the cartoon than Ironhide. I love the ambulance mode.

If I get a Masterpiece, the first will be Sideswipe (unless a MP Trailbreaker comes out before I get him, favorite 2 you know?), but this would be one for my sister. She may not be that into transformers, but she loves Ironhide to no end (She cried for a while, including in the theater, when movie version died)

MP-Lambor Asia ed is slated for release this month.

[megatronus]

I think people would be a lot more forgiving of this toy if Hasui was behind it.

Well, yea. Because then the toy would be better.

Easy assumption to make.

More like a hope and a prayer.

[megatronus]

Let's just call a spade a spade. As much as I respect their opposing opinions but do THEY respect theirs? Will they stand by it and risk not owning an official IH? Skip getting one? Regret always comes in the end.

I heard the same with UM about the buttock component.

Maybe not to prejudge the figure? Don't let the opportunity slip by fellas. Keep an open mind. All this negativity will turn off potential collectors who can easily be dissuaded by the lot.

Critique is not indicative of a decision not to purchase, at least in my case. There are a lot of things I dislike about Ironhide, but my various sighs of frustration about the hip panels, awkward legs, and backside are just that - sighs - and not attacks on those that love this figure from the feet up.

Ultra Magnus is a figure that I did, in fact, prejudge, and guess what? The butt flap annoys me even more in person. As does the shoulder articulation and hollow, under-utilized cab. I do own it, but it's not heresy to feel bummed or express frustrations while still appreciating its existence. I don't know if Ironhide suffers from similar budgetary constraints, and I expect to buy it, but it's fair to provide armchair judgement and critique it given the heavy volume of images.

If anything, it will be interesting to see if in-hand experiences change my initial opinions.

[Seibertron]

The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.

[fenrir72]

Let's just call a spade a spade. As much as I respect their opposing opinions but do THEY respect theirs? Will they stand by it and risk not owning an official IH? Skip getting one? Regret always comes in the end.

I heard the same with UM about the buttock component.

Maybe not to prejudge the figure? Don't let the opportunity slip by fellas. Keep an open mind. All this negativity will turn off potential collectors who can easily be dissuaded by the lot.

Critique is not indicative of a decision not to purchase, at least in my case. There are a lot of things I dislike about Ironhide, but my various sighs of frustration about the hip panels, awkward legs, and backside are just that - sighs - and not attacks on those that love this figure from the feet up.

Ultra Magnus is a figure that I did, in fact, prejudge, and guess what? The butt flap annoys me even more in person. As does the shoulder articulation and hollow, under-utilized cab. I do own it, but it's not heresy to feel bummed or express frustrations while still appreciating its existence. I don't know if Ironhide suffers from similar budgetary constraints, and I expect to buy it, but it's fair to provide armchair judgement and critique it given the heavy volume of images.

If anything, it will be interesting to see if in-hand experiences change my initial opinions.

"In hand" will change your mind mein freund! That's my motto. Same happened in BB case, he kind of looked blah, especially the face but inhand

As for UM, shoulders do suck and the cab, well, we read why in the TT interview. Butt flap? Cartoon accurate, TT gave what we asked for

[Wolfman Jake]

The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.

Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.

[tk7261]

Yea, I dont get what people are so upset about. I think It looks great. The very first pictures they released I thought made it seem weirdly proportioned, but with new better pictures I actually like it more than most of the other masterpieces. One thing I always loved the most about G1 was how simple the designs were. A lot of the other masterpiece figures have useless detail. This really capture his simple design and to me it just looks like Ironhide. I really dont see what people are talking about. I think he looks stellar.

[Seibertron]

The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.

Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.

It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.

If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.

[fenrir72]

The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.

Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.

ironhide-face-differences.jpg

It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.

If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.

That's the trouble with IH. The reference of his head is based on the show,various opposing aft styles. Unless TT based it on the Studio Ox style we'll all have varying preference on a particular head style. In MP Lambor's case, TT copied the original style from the Diaclone version. IH's only reference is an empty seat.

And the white paint of his face, I can relate to that as I had the same misgivings on Bb's face sculpt at first. Maybe too thick the paint?