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News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:11 am

They're including... a Scourge head? Unless we should take this as a hint at a Titan Master in Wave 6 or the boxsets, that seems like an odd choice.

But yeah, no doubt this was gonna happen. Fun to see they're using the vehicles to try and make Hot Rod and Kup Targetmasters.

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:14 am

Kurona wrote:They're including... a Scourge head? Unless we should take this as a hint at a Titan Master in Wave 6 or the boxsets, that seems like an odd choice.

Think of it as a means to army-build both the Sharkticons and the Sweeps at the same time. A Legends class army-builder packed with a Headmaster army-builder.

News Credits: 4856 · by **william-james88** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:22 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:They're including... a Scourge head? Unless we should take this as a hint at a Titan Master in Wave 6 or the boxsets, that seems like an odd choice.
Think of it as a means to army-build both the Sharkticons and the Sweeps at the same time. A Legends class army-builder packed with a Headmaster army-builder.

Still an odd choice since your still left without sweep bodies. The fiction so far showed us that sweeps can have different faces rather than the same face with different bodies.

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:32 am

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:They're including... a Scourge head? Unless we should take this as a hint at a Titan Master in Wave 6 or the boxsets, that seems like an odd choice.
Think of it as a means to army-build both the Sharkticons and the Sweeps at the same time. A Legends class army-builder packed with a Headmaster army-builder.

Still an odd choice since your still left without sweep bodies. The fiction so far showed us that sweeps can have different faces rather than the same face with different bodies.

They do?

It looks like the same face to me, just with different expressions due to their being in different moods/personalities.

News Credits: 4856 · by **william-james88** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:36 am

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:They're including... a Scourge head? Unless we should take this as a hint at a Titan Master in Wave 6 or the boxsets, that seems like an odd choice.
Think of it as a means to army-build both the Sharkticons and the Sweeps at the same time. A Legends class army-builder packed with a Headmaster army-builder.

Still an odd choice since your still left without sweep bodies. The fiction so far showed us that sweeps can have different faces rather than the same face with different bodies.
They do?

It looks like the same face to me, just with different expressions due to their being in different moods/personalities.

I wasnt clear but it doesnt matter, now we know that at least it wont be another scourge head. Still, kinda uselss without the bodies.

News Credits: 79 · by **Sigma Magnus** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:56 am

Eh, I think it'd be cool to just have a little army of Sweep heads marching about. It'd certainly make Trypticon look a bit more inhabited.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:09 pm

That's really strange. All this time the Hasbro Legends class guys have been packed with a Hasbro Titan Master class figure, so why suddenly repack a head they've used before? Would make more sense to use one of the many Decepticon Titan Masters they haven't used yet like Fangry for Wilder who has already been in the Legends comics?

Also interesting that they're giving Kup and Hot Rod partner vehicles when they didn't Blurr and Scourge. It's not like those guys where Targetmasters in Japan (until 2004).

Emerje

News Credits: 4856 · by **william-james88** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:15 pm

Emerje wrote:That's really strange. All this time the Hasbro Legends class guys have been packed with a Hasbro Titan Master class figure, so why suddenly repack a head they've used before?

As Sabre posted in the comic above, the sweeps dont have Scourge's head so this head would be different. It would be one of the titanmasters with a visor, replicating the face of the sweeps.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:32 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:That's really strange. All this time the Hasbro Legends class guys have been packed with a Hasbro Titan Master class figure, so why suddenly repack a head they've used before?

As Sabre posted in the comic above, the sweeps dont have Scourge's head so this head would be different. It would be one of the titanmasters with a visor, replicating the face of the sweeps.

Sweep 1 in that comic is Scourge (Hasbro's Titan Master Fracas). That's the point that Sabr was making, they're basically going to repackage Scourge's head with Gnaw for double army building without having to buy Scourge seven times. Still seems like a strange choice to me, it caters to a very small number of fans that care about army building (and army building a head of all things) and gives a duplicate head to people that already have Scourge.

Emerje

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:44 pm

Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:That's really strange. All this time the Hasbro Legends class guys have been packed with a Hasbro Titan Master class figure, so why suddenly repack a head they've used before?

As Sabre posted in the comic above, the sweeps dont have Scourge's head so this head would be different. It would be one of the titanmasters with a visor, replicating the face of the sweeps.

Sweep 1 in that comic is Scourge (Hasbro's Titan Master Fracas). That's the point that Sabr was making, they're basically going to repackage Scourge's head with Gnaw for double army building without having to buy Scourge seven times. Still seems like a strange choice to me, it caters to a very small number of fans that care about army building (and army building a head of all things) and gives a duplicate head to people that already have Scourge.

Emerje

Well, if they didn't pack the Sharkticon with a Sweep head, then they'd pack it with a head that no one would want to army-build. Anyone in Japan who'd want to create their own little army of Sharkticons would also end up with an army of some other dude who's only supposed to be one guy. In a perfect world, the Sharkticon (and all of the TR Legends class molds) ought to have been sold individually, without a packed-in Headmaster. But I guess Takara simply didn't want to sell Gen Legends class toys individually in the TF: Legends line, as both Swerve and Tailgate ended up being released as a two-pack with each other, while all the other Gen Legends class figures from before TR (but released after Takara's Generations line ended) ended up being relegated to the Adventure line. The big question we should be asking is why Takara simply won't release Gen Legends class molds in the TF: Legends line individually without pairing them up with either a second Gen Legends mold or a Titan Master.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:50 pm

I'm also wondering why they don't just do like you said and put Gnaw in the Adventure line. Or, heck, just straight-up make a pack of 2 or 3 Sharkticons!

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:47 pm

You know what Legends class figures I have a strong feeling WILL be released in 2-packs in the Legends line?

The CLONES!!!!
Who's with me?!! :michaelbay:

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:55 pm

Cobotron wrote:You know what Legends class figures I have a strong feeling WILL be released in 2-packs in the Legends line?

The CLONES!!!!
Who's with me?!!

Definitely

Part of me also thinks there's a possibility they'll be a 4-pack, but probably not. Wonder how the pack-in comics'll explain their diminished size...

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:02 pm

Maybe some downsizing MacGuffin.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:03 pm

One caveat about Targetmaster Rodimus and Kup: they do not come with any extra accessories, if we are to believe the prices are final. I did some price comparing and the (unusually) low price of 2,600 Yen is closer to the price for Scourge and Blurr (3,200 Yen), who did not come with an extra vehicle/weapon. The original Headmaster who did come with them were 4,000 Yen, nowhere near the 2,600 Yen price.

Literally "jumping the gun" a bit there :lol:

The "Targetmaster" name probably relates to their Transformers Collection reissues, one that Blurr was never released in. If that's the case, we could potentially see Firebolt and Recoil making an appearance.

News Credits: 4856 · by **william-james88** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:10 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One caveat about Targetmaster Rodimus and Kup: they do not come with any extra accessories, if we are to believe the prices are final. I did some price comparing and the (unusually) low price of 2,600 Yen is closer to the price for Scourge and Blurr (3,200 Yen), who did not come with an extra vehicle/weapon. The original Headmaster who did come with them were 4,000 Yen, nowhere near the 2,600 Yen price.

Literally "jumping the gun" a bit there

The "Targetmaster" name probably relates to their Transformers Collection reissues, one that Blurr was never released in. If that's the case, we could potentially see Firebolt and Recoil making an appearance.

Thats because those are the prices a seller sees when they buy from Takara. Thats where these leaks come from (and why we are seeing them before anything else). What you see is the cost price, not the MSRP. We can confirm that with the prices of the MB toys which are no where near the price anyone has ever listed them for. Since they are reissues then that proves that none of these prices are MSRPs and they line up with being close to 50% of the MSRP instead, which is the industry average for the markup.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:20 pm

Huh, never knew. I retract my statement then. :oops:

The markups do vary: for Sharktron & Sweeps it's roughly 40%, while a 50% markups brings the other two closer to the standard price for the Deluxe + vehicle/weapon sets.

News Credits: 4856 · by **william-james88** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:21 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Huh, never knew. I retract my statement then.

No worries. But just curious, the prices for the MB figures didnt tip you off about anything?

News Credits: 372 · by **Cyberpath** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:42 am

Cobotron wrote:You know what Legends class figures I have a strong feeling WILL be released in 2-packs in the Legends line?

The CLONES!!!!
Who's with me?!!

Put me down for that.

I wonder when they'll get to Brawn, Perceptor, Twinferno and the rest.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:44 am

Cyberpath wrote:
Cobotron wrote:You know what Legends class figures I have a strong feeling WILL be released in 2-packs in the Legends line?

The CLONES!!!!
Who's with me?!!

Put me down for that.

I wonder when they'll get to Brawn, Perceptor, Twinferno and the rest.

I have little doubt they will; though like previously it seems a lot of TR molds'll get mixed in with POTP molds - much like T30 molds got mixed in with CW molds. Legends is fun!

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:47 am

Sponsor Big Bad Toy Store has let us know that they have listed the pre-orders for the recently announced Takara Legends Hot Rodimus, Kup, and Sharkticon with Sweep! Hot Rodimus and Kup are both priced at $39.99 while Sharkticon is priced at $19.99. Hot Rodimus and Kup are anticipated to be the takara versions of their Titans Return toys, while Sharkticon with Sweep is anticipated to be the Takara Sharkticon/Gnaw (kinda obvious no?) with what may be an extra Scourge head to act as a Sweep and give you maximum army building potential! The listings are provided below, and the figures are set to be available in September

Hot Rodimus
Kup
Sharkticon with Sweep

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:14 am

I'd really like to get Hot rod and Kup but I don't know if I'm willing to spend $80 on two deluxes for cartoon paint and Titan master vehicles I already own and are in a box somewhere because the mini vehicles do nothing for me.

I already have three Gnaws and three TR scourge figures as sweeps so that doesn't wow in the slightest.

I'm gonna gamble and wait for photos. Kup is really one I say "Titans Return in is fine, I like toy colors." But Hot Rod, it's gotta be the magenta colors to sell me. Usually they don't do that but the they did with MP hot rod. If it's magenta I'll snag one if the preorders don't sell out.

News Credits: 6 · by **EmirateXaaron** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:18 am

Cobotron wrote:You know what Legends class figures I have a strong feeling WILL be released in 2-packs in the Legends line?

The CLONES!!!!
Who's with me?!!

Oh man, I certainly hope so. I don't want to buy $400 worth of boxsets just to get the clones.

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:19 am

Randomhero wrote:I'd really like to get Hot rod and Kup but I don't know if I'm willing to spend $80 on two deluxes for cartoon paint and Titan master vehicles I already own and are in a box somewhere because the mini vehicles do nothing for me.

I already have three Gnaws and three TR scourge figures as sweeps so that doesn't wow in the slightest.

I'm gonna gamble and wait for photos. Kup is really one I say "Titans Return in is fine, I like toy colors." But Hot Rod, it's gotta be the magenta colors to sell me. Usually they don't do that but the they did with MP hot rod. If it's magenta I'll snag one if the preorders don't sell out.

Preorder now, and when pics come out before the release date, if the figures' decos aren't to your liking, cancel them post haste.

News Credits: 4856 · by **william-james88** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:56 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I'd really like to get Hot rod and Kup but I don't know if I'm willing to spend $80 on two deluxes for cartoon paint and Titan master vehicles I already own and are in a box somewhere because the mini vehicles do nothing for me.

I already have three Gnaws and three TR scourge figures as sweeps so that doesn't wow in the slightest.

I'm gonna gamble and wait for photos. Kup is really one I say "Titans Return in is fine, I like toy colors." But Hot Rod, it's gotta be the magenta colors to sell me. Usually they don't do that but the they did with MP hot rod. If it's magenta I'll snag one if the preorders don't sell out.
Preorder now, and when pics come out before the release date, if the figures' decos aren't to your liking, cancel them post haste.

Or order them from somewhere that actualy buys them directly from Takara so you buy them at their actual price.