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See, this is what I loved about Titans Return. Triggerhappy? Misfire? Slugslinger? All G1 Characters, but aside from Slugslinger’s Energon cameo, none of them have had a real figure since their first toys, so yes we are getting G1 characters, but by all rights they are totally new to the later generations of fans while still filling in the old roster, rather than yet more Starscream and Thundercracker.Skritz wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:It's both great and surprising that this very G1 tail ending character,set Big Powered has sparked such a great interest even among G1 hating fans.
This be good!
I think a lot of people were looking for a breath of fresh air from siege and this is as zany and obscure as you can probably get
I'd argue when people mean 'G1' most of the time they mean the Cartoon from season 1 to 3. Late G1 (post-cartoon) doesn't get the same amount of eye-rolls because it's far less re-threaded ground than yet another Optimus Prime and Megatron.
Flashwave wrote:See, this is what I loved about Titans Return. Triggerhappy? Misfire? Slugslinger? All G1 Characters, but aside from Slugslinger’s Energon cameo, none of them have had a real figure since their first toys, so yes we are getting G1 characters, but by all rights they are totally new to the later generations of fans while still filling in the old roster, rather than yet more Starscream and Thundercracker.Skritz wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:It's both great and surprising that this very G1 tail ending character,set Big Powered has sparked such a great interest even among G1 hating fans.
This be good!
I think a lot of people were looking for a breath of fresh air from siege and this is as zany and obscure as you can probably get
I'd argue when people mean 'G1' most of the time they mean the Cartoon from season 1 to 3. Late G1 (post-cartoon) doesn't get the same amount of eye-rolls because it's far less re-threaded ground than yet another Optimus Prime and Megatron.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Flashwave wrote:See, this is what I loved about Titans Return. Triggerhappy? Misfire? Slugslinger? All G1 Characters, but aside from Slugslinger’s Energon cameo, none of them have had a real figure since their first toys, so yes we are getting G1 characters, but by all rights they are totally new to the later generations of fans while still filling in the old roster, rather than yet more Starscream and Thundercracker.Skritz wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:It's both great and surprising that this very G1 tail ending character,set Big Powered has sparked such a great interest even among G1 hating fans.
This be good!
I think a lot of people were looking for a breath of fresh air from siege and this is as zany and obscure as you can probably get
I'd argue when people mean 'G1' most of the time they mean the Cartoon from season 1 to 3. Late G1 (post-cartoon) doesn't get the same amount of eye-rolls because it's far less re-threaded ground than yet another Optimus Prime and Megatron.
what i think needs to be next is a proper Dezaurus and a proper Liozack and Jallguar for combiner wars LiokaiserSkritz wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Pre-order secured! Super stoked to see how this guy turns out in hand
You and me both: this trio is made from some of my favorite molds. But seriously, now that friggin' ZONE of all things get some love from Takara, what's next? Will we see Sky Garry and Grandus? Big Bang? Star Convoy?
Ultra Markus wrote:what i think needs to be next is a proper Dezaurus and a proper Liozack and Jallguar for combiner wars LiokaiserSkritz wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Pre-order secured! Super stoked to see how this guy turns out in hand
You and me both: this trio is made from some of my favorite molds. But seriously, now that friggin' ZONE of all things get some love from Takara, what's next? Will we see Sky Garry and Grandus? Big Bang? Star Convoy?
Hellscream9999 wrote:Flashwave wrote:See, this is what I loved about Titans Return. Triggerhappy? Misfire? Slugslinger? All G1 Characters, but aside from Slugslinger’s Energon cameo, none of them have had a real figure since their first toys, so yes we are getting G1 characters, but by all rights they are totally new to the later generations of fans while still filling in the old roster, rather than yet more Starscream and Thundercracker.Skritz wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:It's both great and surprising that this very G1 tail ending character,set Big Powered has sparked such a great interest even among G1 hating fans.
This be good!
I think a lot of people were looking for a breath of fresh air from siege and this is as zany and obscure as you can probably get
I'd argue when people mean 'G1' most of the time they mean the Cartoon from season 1 to 3. Late G1 (post-cartoon) doesn't get the same amount of eye-rolls because it's far less re-threaded ground than yet another Optimus Prime and Megatron.
Actually most of that line was pretty fresh; twintwist, topspin, kup, perceptor, breakaway, krok, alpha trion... pretty great
william-james88 wrote:Is it any good? Real question: is any of the JG1 cartoon stuff better than the Sunbow cartoon seasons 1-3? Like miles better?Skritz wrote:I'd argue when people mean 'G1' most of the time they mean the Cartoon from season 1 to 3. Late G1 (post-cartoon) doesn't get the same amount of eye-rolls because it's far less re-threaded ground than yet another Optimus Prime and Megatron.
I think thats a winning argument. Most people (including people that worked at Hasbro) knew nothing of the JG1 stuff. I myself knew very little until joining this site. And I know for a fact that when Peter Cullen uses the word G1 (which he uses A LOT) its basically shorthand for whatever he was in.
o.supreme wrote:As I'm sure you know I find the term "G1" overall to be demeaning, but I don't tell anybody how to act/post on these forums, and I know not everyone uses it in a derogatory way...However. - To ME Anything released from 1984-1992 is considered The Transformers. PERIOD. Whether it be toys, in print, or animated, and no matter what country it originated in, it's all part of the same great era that started it all. At times of course I will be more specific depending on what forum, and point I'm trying to make, but it's all the Original Series.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
o.supreme wrote:Oh I 100% agree that the animated series of BW, BWII, BW Neo, and BM are a canonical continuation of the Original animated series, set in the same universe. But the toys, and any other ancillary product I tend to keep separate, if that makes any sense.
ZeroWolf wrote:Doesn't the beast wars cartoon take it cues from different g1 timelines though? I would say it was from a fifth timeline that contained amalgamated elements of the comics and cartoons.
Nuh uh! The BW cartoon deliberately left its G1 history vague and under-detailed on purpose. The show wasn't even originally going to have any G1 elements in it. The "Great War" mention in the first episode was put in by Bob Forward as something that was just supposed to be some past conflict possibly between the Maximals and Predacons. The G1 stuff that they took from both the cartoon AND the Marvel comics was only added in after Forward and DiTillio went online to hear from the fan groups about their reactions to Beast Wars, and put in only to appease those fans who initially derided Beast Wars from being so different from G1. It was only after they went online that the "Great War" was made into referring to the Autobot/Decepticon war of yore and was due to the fans thinking that that's what it was. The G1 history of Beast Wars has always been meant to be treated as Arthurian Legend, with the exception of how Japan handled it by having the G1 cartoon treated as the gospel history for BW.william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Doesn't the beast wars cartoon take it cues from different g1 timelines though? I would say it was from a fifth timeline that contained amalgamated elements of the comics and cartoons.
Maybe that was done retroactively but at the time, elements like Starscream's ghost and the like were direct cues from the Sunbow continuity. Ravage is the same ravage we see in the G1 cartoon, the ark is the same, ect.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Yeah, Forward and DiTillio admitted to their having completely made things up as they went along.Skritz wrote:An 'happy accident that somehow worked out' is the best way to describe how Beast Wars fits into continuity. It's a miracle it make sense at all, but hey, in the end it did. Mostly.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, Forward and DiTillio admitted to their having completely made things up as they went along.Skritz wrote:An 'happy accident that somehow worked out' is the best way to describe how Beast Wars fits into continuity. It's a miracle it make sense at all, but hey, in the end it did. Mostly.
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, Forward and DiTillio admitted to their having completely made things up as they went along.
Sabrblade wrote:Nuh uh! The BW cartoon deliberately left its G1 history vague and under-detailed on purpose. The show wasn't even originally going to have any G1 elements in it. The "Great War" mention in the first episode was put in by Bob Forward as something that was just supposed to be some past conflict possibly between the Maximals and Predacons. The G1 stuff that they took from both the cartoon AND the Marvel comics was only added in after Forward and DiTillio went online to hear from the fan groups about their reactions to Beast Wars, and put in only to appease those fans who initially derided Beast Wars from being so different from G1. It was only after they went online that the "Great War" was made into referring to the Autobot/Decepticon war of yore and was due to the fans thinking that that's what it was. The G1 history of Beast Wars has always been meant to be treated as Arthurian Legend, with the exception of how Japan handled it by having the G1 cartoon treated as the gospel history for BW.william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Doesn't the beast wars cartoon take it cues from different g1 timelines though? I would say it was from a fifth timeline that contained amalgamated elements of the comics and cartoons.
Maybe that was done retroactively but at the time, elements like Starscream's ghost and the like were direct cues from the Sunbow continuity. Ravage is the same ravage we see in the G1 cartoon, the ark is the same, ect.
elements like Starscream's ghost and the like were direct cues from the Sunbow continuity
Skritz wrote:Indeed, going back to the original subject:
These designs deserved at least one more day in the spotlight for new fans to see and appreciate as a sadly forgotten 'dead end' of G1 but nonetheless a part of it. By that point Transformers was a dead brand in Japan, old trite and overdone...at least, until Takara released the Brave Series.
Make no mistake, Star Saber was the proto-Brave and in many ways Dai Atlas and Star Convoy are the 'missing link' in the transition from Transformers to the Braves, both in story and toy design. Dai Atlas may be an obscure character who could only appeal to either people who somehow grew up with some VHS of Zone in Japan or to diehard fanboys with a love for the obscure corners of Transformers lore (like me and a lot of modern TF Writers via Dreamwave, IDW and Animated) but one can't deny this: Takara gave above and beyond their 100% to make this set as good as they could.
And oh sweet Primus, does it show.
Sabrblade wrote:Nuh uh! The BW cartoon deliberately left its G1 history vague and under-detailed on purpose. The show wasn't even originally going to have any G1 elements in it. The "Great War" mention in the first episode was put in by Bob Forward as something that was just supposed to be some past conflict possibly between the Maximals and Predacons. The G1 stuff that they took from both the cartoon AND the Marvel comics was only added in after Forward and DiTillio went online to hear from the fan groups about their reactions to Beast Wars, and put in only to appease those fans who initially derided Beast Wars from being so different from G1. It was only after they went online that the "Great War" was made into referring to the Autobot/Decepticon war of yore and was due to the fans thinking that that's what it was. The G1 history of Beast Wars has always been meant to be treated as Arthurian Legend, with the exception of how Japan handled it by having the G1 cartoon treated as the gospel history for BW.william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Doesn't the beast wars cartoon take it cues from different g1 timelines though? I would say it was from a fifth timeline that contained amalgamated elements of the comics and cartoons.
Maybe that was done retroactively but at the time, elements like Starscream's ghost and the like were direct cues from the Sunbow continuity. Ravage is the same ravage we see in the G1 cartoon, the ark is the same, ect.
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