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[fenrir72]

btw Can anyone confirm that the Headmasters for Legends are going unnamed? I've checked box images, but I can't see the actual names for the little guys anywhere. No "Grax", no "Ros", nothing. I'm assuming no sight of "Haywire" or "Fracas" either.

I would be inclined to agree. It appears everyone is sticking with the whole "head is the character and the body is power armor" thing

Nothing in my Legends box too.

O well, I'll still be calling them by their original Japanese names, because I can

Exactly. That's why I don't understand when people get all mad when hasbro has to change the name of a character due to trademarks. It's your toy, you can call it whatever you want when you own it. It's not that big of a deal

Same here

[Randomhero]

Does anyone know where you can still order a scourge? I've checked most places but it's all out of stock preorders. I finally found a site that carries the Takara Computron preorder but $55 for shipping!

[Cyberpath]

Does anyone know where you can still order a scourge? I've checked most places but it's all out of stock preorders. I finally found a site that carries the Takara Computron preorder but $55 for shipping!

He's currently sold out on HLJ, but you should keep an eye on it because they might have more avaliable once they get their stock. (Or someone might cancel until then.)

http://hlj.com/product/TKT86851

This item is expected to be released on or about 08/31. We will accept additional orders at that time if supplies are sufficient.

[fenrir72]

Does anyone know where you can still order a scourge? I've checked most places but it's all out of stock preorders. I finally found a site that carries the Takara Computron preorder but $55 for shipping!

@ RH sorry to burst your hopes but a JP site I was planning on recommending is also sold out. Best is once on pre-order..... order. Don't listen to the naysayers.

[Randomhero]

Does anyone know where you can still order a scourge? I've checked most places but it's all out of stock preorders. I finally found a site that carries the Takara Computron preorder but $55 for shipping!

@ RH sorry to burst your hopes but a JP site I was planning on recommending is also sold out. Best is once on pre-order..... order. Don't listen to the naysayers.

I have TR scourge -three in fact, gotta have those sweeps- but I really love the Sakamoto comics and I personally do enjoy the color scheme of Takaras. I'm someone who always defends hasbro and am totally cool with what we get but I did want a Takara scrounge. I'm very tempted d by Blurr. I found a site that is not sold out on preorders for him.

[Sabrblade]

The headmasters have no name on the Takara packaging, because in the Japanese continuity they never had humanoid partners the Transformers combined with. The headmasters are the actual robots and because they are really small they made bigger bodies called transtectors to interact and combine with.

Yes, but, even back in 1987, Takara gave the little Headmasters their own unique names that differed from the names of their Transtectors (even if most of these names never made it into the Japanese fiction): Chrome, Cana, Ros, Gorter, Cerebros, Grax, Monzo, Vorath, and Scorponok. JelZe was wondering if Takara retained these original toy-only names for the Legends Headmasters or not.

[Randomhero]

The headmasters have no name on the Takara packaging, because in the Japanese continuity they never had humanoid partners the Transformers combined with. The headmasters are the actual robots and because they are really small they made bigger bodies called transtectors to interact and combine with.

Yes, but, even back in 1987, Takara gave the little Headmasters their own unique names that differed from the names of their Transtectors (even if most of these names never made it into the Japanese fiction): Chrome, Cana, Ros, Gorter, Cerebros, Grax, Monzo, Vorath, and Scorponok. JelZe was wondering if Takara retained these original toy-only names for the Legends Headmasters or not.

Takara will call it what they want. I don't think they have the same issues with trademarks as we do. Only issue Takara has with names is when they already name a character something and then create an homage character like in armada Sureshock was named in Arcee in Japan and in energon when Arcee showed up Takara had to call her Ariel instead because Armada Arcee was redone as energon minicon again.

[Sabrblade]

The headmasters have no name on the Takara packaging, because in the Japanese continuity they never had humanoid partners the Transformers combined with. The headmasters are the actual robots and because they are really small they made bigger bodies called transtectors to interact and combine with.

Yes, but, even back in 1987, Takara gave the little Headmasters their own unique names that differed from the names of their Transtectors (even if most of these names never made it into the Japanese fiction): Chrome, Cana, Ros, Gorter, Cerebros, Grax, Monzo, Vorath, and Scorponok. JelZe was wondering if Takara retained these original toy-only names for the Legends Headmasters or not.

Takara will call it what they want. I don't think they have the same issues with trademarks as we do. Only issue Takara has with names is when they already name a character something and then create an homage character like in armada Sureshock was named in Arcee in Japan and in energon when Arcee showed up Takara had to call her Ariel instead because Armada Arcee was redone as energon minicon again.

It's not a matter of Trademarks or issues, JelZe was just wondering if Takara kept the old toy names or not.

[Randomhero]

The headmasters have no name on the Takara packaging, because in the Japanese continuity they never had humanoid partners the Transformers combined with. The headmasters are the actual robots and because they are really small they made bigger bodies called transtectors to interact and combine with.

Yes, but, even back in 1987, Takara gave the little Headmasters their own unique names that differed from the names of their Transtectors (even if most of these names never made it into the Japanese fiction): Chrome, Cana, Ros, Gorter, Cerebros, Grax, Monzo, Vorath, and Scorponok. JelZe was wondering if Takara retained these original toy-only names for the Legends Headmasters or not.

Takara will call it what they want. I don't think they have the same issues with trademarks as we do. Only issue Takara has with names is when they already name a character something and then create an homage character like in armada Sureshock was named in Arcee in Japan and in energon when Arcee showed up Takara had to call her Ariel instead because Armada Arcee was redone as energon minicon again.

It's not a matter of Trademarks or issues, JelZe was just wondering if Takara kept the old toy names or not.

You said at the end whether or not they retained those names. I was just saying that takara doesn't not care why so ever. They call it what they want

[Sabrblade]

You said at the end whether or not they retained those names.

I... what?

[fenrir72]

Well the internal comics more or less hints they are from the same JP universe so more or less fiction wise it's them. Fiction by all intents and purpose is the extension of the product's advertisements.

[Sabrblade]

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[Jelze Bunnycat]

Ugh... the little guys go by the names of the whole for the most part in the comics, that I already saw. I was indeed only curious if the original names would be acknowledged on the package, that's it! Nothing more, nothing less.

Speaking of names, there are only two instances so far in which the names differ:

Galvatron: the little Headmaster is shown to be Megatron, popping out of his original CW/Legends body.
Broadcast: Twincast is mentioned by name in the comics.

[destructorin]

Hello,

I'm new to this community & rules of seibertron.com so please do not delete this entry but move it somewhere if I posted wrongly.

So, to start off, recently discovered that Gundam series aren't rly my thing.
From a child liked Exosquad so U.S.A cartoons not animu. So was with Transformers.

My fav. and first series was Beast Wars and second one is G1. Didn't go further simply because being out of free time. Yet combiners look promising:>

Anyways I need your help concerning this lineup of toys -that's why I wrote here (with some additional questions in a slave ^^) so:

1. USA watching order after google.com -is it ok?:

USA S1-3 https://www.amazon.com/Beast-Wars-Trans ... beast+wars

https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Bea ... beast+wars

USA S4 same as Returns in Japan? https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Bea ... d=&sr=

https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Bea ... beast+wars

2. USA+JAP watching order -is it ok?

Japanese season 1: Beast Wars Super Lifeforms Transformers + Japanese season 2-3: https://www.amazon.com/Transformer-Beas ... beast+wars
/
USA S1-3 https://www.amazon.com/Beast-Wars-Trans ... beast+wars

Japanese season 4: http://www.terapeak.com/worth/new-beast ... 370619314/
/
USA S4 https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Bea ... d=&sr=

Japanese series 2 Beast Wars II & Beast Wars Special - The 20th Anniversary Collection
/
USA no more series?

Japanese series 3 Super Lifeform Transformers Beast Wars Neo
/
USA no more series?

Here is the 1st request for above entries: please give me idk ebay/amazon links to buy this stuff (latest edition / best quality ones) please.

And for main reason I came here, toys toys toys!

My latest order of B.W toyline is this bebe:
http://hlj.com/product/TKT86891?gclid=C ... cgodC10K9Q

2nd Question: is the number given a random thing? MP34 transformers masterpiece. I mean what about MP1 to MP 33?? and why only him & Optimus primal was made in this series. Will there be more of it or just those 2? Wonder if it is worth buying him anyway now...

Finally as an addition to my shopping list I wanted to add more toys from B.W but got confused again...

Question 3rd: Is this the same stuff or different mold/timeline made toy?
http://hlj.com/product/TKT81285
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Takara-Legends-T ... beast+wars


https://www.amazon.com/Takara-Legends-T ... beast+wars
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Gen ... ars+rhinox


https://www.amazon.com/Takara-Legends-T ... JFKFGP5SBW
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Gen ... 7FDY16HQ5Q
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Transformer-TF-G ... beast+wars


Question 4th: which is better and where to buy for the cheapest price with shipping to Poland.

Last question numero 5.. which version of would u recommend to buy (links please):
ULTRA WANT: Tigatron, Megatron, Dinobot, Blackarachnia, Inferno, Silverbolt, Tarantulas, Tigerhawk, Depth Charge, Quickstrike, Dinobot II , Rampage.

Or do u happen to know if there will be some new rls of them and its worth to wait?

I would be glad to have those questions answered,
Cheers!

[King Kuuga]

1. USA watching order after google.com -is it ok?:

Yes, the US only watching order is Beast Wars seasons 1-3 then Beast Machines seasons 1-2, and yes, Beast Machines was renamed Beast Wars Returns in Japan.

2. USA+JAP watching order -is it ok

Broadcast order in Japan was:
Beast Wars s1
Beast Wars II
Beast Wars Neo
Beast Wars Metals (US s2 and s3)
I am unclear on how the Japanese shows fit into the continuity but I don't think there's much cross-referencing between the US and JP seasons, even in the Japanese dub of the former.

Here is the 1st request for above entries: please give me idk ebay/amazon links to buy this stuff (latest edition / best quality ones) please.

You seem to have found those already.

And for main reason I came here, toys toys toys!

My latest order of B.W toyline is this bebe:
http://hlj.com/product/TKT86891?gclid=C ... cgodC10K9Q

2nd Question: is the number given a random thing? MP34 transformers masterpiece. I mean what about MP1 to MP 33?? and why only him & Optimus primal was made in this series. Will there be more of it or just those 2? Wonder if it is worth buying him anyway now...

The Transformers Masterpiece line comprises mostly 1980s G1 characters. So far, Convoy and Cheetor are the only characters to be released in the series, but there may be more. We don't really know yet. If you want a complete Masterpiece Beast Wars collection you may want to wait until we see if more characters are announced. You can read more about the Masterpiece line here.

Finally as an addition to my shopping list I wanted to add more toys from B.W but got confused again...

Question 3rd: Is this the same stuff or different mold/timeline made toy?
http://hlj.com/product/TKT81285
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Takara-Legends-T ... beast+wars


https://www.amazon.com/Takara-Legends-T ... beast+wars
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Gen ... ars+rhinox


https://www.amazon.com/Takara-Legends-T ... JFKFGP5SBW
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Gen ... 7FDY16HQ5Q
vs
https://www.amazon.com/Transformer-TF-G ... beast+wars

The Transformers Generations and Transformers Legends figures are the same molds, released by Hasbro and Takara respectively. Takara is Hasbro's business partner and they own Transformers in Japan. As you can see, the figures have different colorations, this is common between Hasbro and Takara. The LG-EX versions of Rattrap, Rhinox, and Waspinator are the most recent releases, designed to have the utmost screen accuracy, but they were convention exclusives and will fetch a high price tag as a result.[/quote]

Question 4th: which is better and where to buy for the cheapest price with shipping to Poland.

That's outside my area of expertise, unfortunately.

Last question numero 5.. which version of would u recommend to buy (links please):
ULTRA WANT: Tigatron, Megatron,Dinobot,Blackarachnia,Inferno,Silverbolt,Tarantulas
SECOND SORT: Tigerhawk,Depth Charge.

This is complicated. I suggest going to the wiki page for each character, scrolling to the toy section, and seeing which versions of the toys you like.

Or do u happen to know if there will be some new rls of them and its worth to wait?

At this point, we don't know of any upcoming Beast Wars characters receiving toys other than Convoy and Cheetor's MPs. This is not to say there won't be any, however, but the celebration of the 20th anniversary has been less than exciting.

[william-james88]

That was very nice of you to answer so thoroughly That Bot, I didnt know where to begin. There are a few things I can add now

Question 4th: which is better and where to buy for the cheapest price with shipping to Poland.

That's outside my area of expertise, unfortunately.

If you are buying a new Takara product (meaning the Japanese version of a toy), you are always better to buy from a Japanese retailer. Or if you are looking for Japanese products that have already come out, this is a really good site:

http://jungle-scs.co.jp/sale_en/?page_id=116&ra=&st=&kw=transformers+legends

But e-bay is good too, look for the places that have free international shipping, like for the LGEX Legends Waspinator, this would be the best place to get him:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TAKARA-TOMY-TRANSFORMERS-LEGENDS-BEAST-WARS-LGEX-WASPINATOR-FEST-2016-EXCLUSIVE-/162077123284?hash=item25bc8ca2d4:g:zKoAAOSwGeBXPu2t

[b]Last question numero 5.. which version of would u recommend to buy (links please):
ULTRA WANT: Blackarachnia

The most Accurate Blackarachnia came out last year in the Legends Line (the line which this topic is about) and it looks like this:


Transformers Legends Blackarachnia Gallery

Keep an eye out on the site I posted above, they get them once in a while. Mandarake is another good place:

http://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/

However my very favourite is actually Beast Machines Blackarachnia which looks like this:


Transformers Beast Machines Blackarachnia (Black Widow) Gallery

Her spider-mode is amazing


Transformers Beast Machines Blackarachnia (Black Widow) Gallery

[destructorin]

Thanks for the kind and very full replay you two

I did get BWS 1-3, BW II Jap already.
All it left is Metals, Returns & Neo -those are only raws I suppose and my Japanese is still...you know..hopefully I'll transfer soon there and learn the language more not to mention limitless access to the figures:O but if not gonna happen soon I rly want to be in Canada (girls, nature, food, TF convention!!!),

Anyways my fav. character is the one from the avatar yet as far I know http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-images/toys/Beast-Wars/10th-Anniversary/Tigatron+-+Takara+Tomy+2007+Reissue is the latest ;/ kinda sad...

I'm after screen accuracy so Arachnia (Transformers wikia don't say a word bout this new version + beast machines transformation version sure is cool!) +Rhinox+Ratdude+Waspinator from Legends 2015/6 Japanese version. I guess it is worth to buy them as those are 30th anniversary option and rls of their Masters like Cheetor & Primal is less likely now, right???

As for others I picked those versions by google search coz even as those stores above are cool its kinda hard to grasp right models...:
Megatron: http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/thu ... gatron.jpg or http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:BWtoy-MegatronMetals.jpg coz I heard that even if this is more show acc. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:BWtoy-MegatronTM.jpg it falls easly apart, right?
Dinobot: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Henkei_Dinobot.jpg although I've seen someone 3d printed better version so mb gotta ask him:D
Inferno: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:BWtoy-Inferno.jpg but I can swear that I saw 2015 version or custom to buy somewhere mb this is it http://s558.photobucket.com/user/transf ... 2.jpg.html but still where to buy...
Silverbolt http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-ima ... erbolt.jpg this is the best version I've found yet dunno the name to find buy link;/ (wikia even do not mention him)
Tarantulas I think will go here with transmetals http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:BWtoy-Taran ... smetal.jpg coz normal 10th anniv. is kinda ugly or wait for better version + http://i.imgur.com/TlL83.jpg someone did nice paint job on him or is it some kind of rare edition that I'm not aware off?
Depth Charge guess will go with this one... http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/d/d ... charge.jpg yet this unknown edition is also nice (couldnt find link to buy though) http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2093254
Quickstrike 1998 ver. is the only one so http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:BW-toy_Quickstrike.jpg as long as beast form is sweet the transform one head espcly looks bad and that fat body..
Dinobot II http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beast-Wars-Tr ... 1597626463 guess this is the only one rls version? I wish I could do such custom http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... nobot.html though..
Rampage 1998 is the only version http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:BW_Rampage_toy.jpg
Little addon as I like his look http://toysandcake.com/content.php?toy=70
&
Croco Megatron Bat Optimus poster:D

At first I thought to buy only one but it kinda sucked me in and now I want them all lol.

ps. who is that guy:

[Agamemnon]

Ack, overpaid for Legends Skullcruncher to go with Bats Optimus. I just needed that beast Megatron themed vehicle accessory to go with Optimal Optimus vehicle accessory...

Stupid plastic crack...

[william-james88]

At first I thought to buy only one but it kinda sucked me in and now I want them all lol.

Yeah, thats how it usually goes

To answer that question fo yours regarding Beast MPs, they might make more eventually and even maybe even make MPs of toys we already got in the Legends line, but it will take time. They are only releasing one this year and cheetor next year so it might be a long wait if you choose to only get the MPs of those characters. I am not saying its less likely that they hapen, just that if they do happen it wont be for a while.

[destructorin]

Yeah, thats how it usually goes

xdd

Hmm ye but the price for those existing ones will rise as hell, right? so dunno its a gamble. One per year or every of those I managed to find (still dunno if those are the best tho) and then sell it if better comes out when we age (but as I longer think bout it, while having newer versions who would buy older one..) me is 28,5 now so Cheetor at 29 and I listed like 14 more so 43 y.o and I'm done

Agamemnom bout Skulldude http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... ncher.html

[Kurona]

I would love for the 'main' MP Line (G1) to be developed by a separate team to the BW MP line so neither would be held back; much like how MP Star Saber was developed.

[Agamemnon]

Agamemnom bout Skulldude http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... ncher.html

Nice update. It reminds me a lot of the TR/Legends version.

[Sabrblade]

(Transformers wikia don't say a word bout this new version + beast machines transformation version sure is cool!)

Don't use Transformers Wikia. It's awful. Here's the superior Transformers Wiki - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

[Sabrblade]

No more ambiguity or uncertainty. Takara Fort Max is 100% confirmed to come with its own Master Sword - http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/243925/

Molded in opaque red plastic and featuring paint apps too!

[Seibertron]

Where are the damn guns?????????