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[Mindmaster]

Wow I didn't know I was being sexualizied, seeing as that's how I lie on my bed.

Sexy Soundwave?

In my case, it's more like Sexy Kevin Smith...

Fan art of my character in this position, pl0x.

[RhA]

If female characters laying around, lounging, doing nothing is where enticement and objectifying begins, I think perhaps the problem does not lie with the figure at hand.

Subtle.

[Evil Eye]

ugh. that picture. that pose. now that I see the character in a little tougher light, I hate these sexist poses. It's insulting. Makes me cringe.

//2 cents.

Me too,

That pose is insulting...

Which part of the pose is actually sexualized?

Maybe it's cutesy, which may not be the most interesting way to sell the figure, but she has a third of a car on top of her. There's nothing exaggerated about her pose, her hips aren't pushed out, he back isn't arched...

If female characters laying around, lounging, doing nothing is where enticement and objectifying begins, I think perhaps the problem does not lie with the figure at hand.

This, so much. The recent trend of criticizing everything as "misogynistic" is really getting on my nerves.

I, for one, quite like her cutesy pose- it suits her well.

[Wolfman Jake]

Wow I didn't know I was being sexualizied, seeing as that's how I lie on my bed.

Sexy Soundwave?

In my case, it's more like Sexy Kevin Smith...

I'm good with that.

[Robogeek1973]

I love how TakTom puts their Deluxes in boxes again.


Hopefully they'll keep it up with future releases.

[Optimizzy]

I stand by what I said concerning the coquettish pose. You can defend the culture and mindset behind those poses if you want, but that's on you.

I mean, my opinion is my opinion. You don't have to agree.

[fenrir72]

I stand by what I said concerning the coquettish pose. You can defend the culture and mindset behind those poses if you want, but that's on you.

I mean, my opinion is my opinion. You don't have to agree.

As everyone has the right to their own opinions but based on the definition of "sexist"


sex·ism (sĕk′sĭz′əm)
n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. The belief that one gender is superior to the other, especially that men are superior to women.

sex•ist (ˈsɛk sɪst)

adj.
1. pertaining to, involving, or fostering sexism: sexist advertising.
n.
2. a person with sexist attitudes or behavior.

I don't see Arcee's pose anywhere showing she is inferior to men. Calling it sexist and based on the definition.......it does not fit. It's like Ben Affleck calling a guest in Bill Mahr's show racist when he wasn't mentioning race but religion.

I'd say sexist if she was posed in a submission tied up pose or wearing a maid's apron with a serving plate the way MP Grimlock was packaged ( well, Grimlock was a waiter in that episode)

[megatronus]

I kind of agree. Whether or not you find it cutesy, you wouldn't put Optimus or Bumblebee in that pose. There's definitely a "come and get it" aspect to that pose, and there's reason to believe that was their intention given Japan's misogynistic culture.

[Cyberpath]

I got LG09-Brainstorm today! Cool-looking figure. Good articulation, tight joints, easy transformation, and pretty big! Too tall for my "CHUG", and even taller than MP-Sideswipe and the others.

The cockpit feature kind of reminds me of the Gobots cartoon...

Regarding hands, I thought open hands on figures were more desirable because they look good both with and without weapons? Certainly do on Brainstorm.

[Convoy]

Okay, last reveal showed Arcee with open hands. Now we see closed hands. Which is it? Do we get both like a Microman figure or what? Personally, I like both open and closed. The paint job clinches it for me no matter which hands it comes with.
As for the poses, I think they're great! She looks like a pinup model!

edit:

The alarmists really need to give it a rest already.
That's sexist!
That's racist!
Terrorist!
Well off white people with nothing to worry about...
SMH

Does anybody remember that middle America mom, with nothing better to do, complaining about how offensive some Transformer names are?

#firstworldproblems

[fenrir72]

http://youtu.be/-LJbzdstUsE

Take a look at 1:32. That's sexualized.

Green Energon

[shajaki]

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awesome gif

million dollar question though: hows the headmaster connection?

[william-james88]

So airrazor here would definately be seen as sexist right?



Thats a far cry from the cute innocent pose arcee has.

[megatronus]

So airrazor here would definately be seen as sexist right?



Thats a far cry from the cute innocent pose arcee has.

That's fan art, right?

Also, doesn't use of words like 'cute' and/or 'innocent' prove the sexualized point?

[william-james88]

So airrazor here would definately be seen as sexist right?



Thats a far cry from the cute innocent pose arcee has.

That's fan art, right?

Also, doesn't use of words like 'cute' and/or 'innocent' prove the sexualized point?

No it doesnt. Babies are cute and innocent, do you believe that to be sexualized?

And also, no, its not fan art, its real.

[megatronus]

No it doesnt. Babies are cute and innocent, do you believe that to be sexualized?

Completely different contexts, so I'm not sure that comparison holds up.

Puppies are also cute and innocent, but you don't apply those words to them when/if they're in the pose Arcee's rocking. Same with babies.

You're free to think it's not sexualized, but Takara certainly made a choice when they decided to pose her, out of 100s of alternatives, and I personally think it's telling. No male TF would be posed that way. Just my opinion, here.

And also, no, its not fan art, its real.

That's weird... Dinobot should not be nearly that big.

[william-james88]

No it doesnt. Babies are cute and innocent, do you believe that to be sexualized?

Completely different contexts, so I'm not sure that comparison holds up.

Puppies are also cute and innocent, but you don't apply those words to them when/if they're in the pose Arcee's rocking. Same with babies.

It's the same pose:



This pose is cute and innocent, and its the same pose Arcee has.

[megatronus]

No it doesnt. Babies are cute and innocent, do you believe that to be sexualized?

Completely different contexts, so I'm not sure that comparison holds up.

Puppies are also cute and innocent, but you don't apply those words to them when/if they're in the pose Arcee's rocking. Same with babies.

It's the same pose:



This pose is cute and innocent, and its the same pose Arcee has.

That's still not the same as this:



Not sure if you're trying to de-sexualize Arcee, or over-sexualize that baby, but either way, I'm having none of it.

[Convoy]

You're free to think it's not sexualized, but Takara certainly made a choice when they decided to pose her, out of 100s of alternatives, and I personally think it's telling. No male TF would be posed that way. Just my opinion, here.

Sex sells and I'm buying. (Go Capitalism!) Not that I have a thing for robots or anything. This is a piece of plastic we're talking about here. Even cars can be "sexy." I'm looking at your Porche altmode, Jazz.

[Optimizzy]

No it doesnt. Babies are cute and innocent, do you believe that to be sexualized?

Completely different contexts, so I'm not sure that comparison holds up.

Puppies are also cute and innocent, but you don't apply those words to them when/if they're in the pose Arcee's rocking. Same with babies.

It's the same pose:



This pose is cute and innocent, and its the same pose Arcee has.

The pose is sexualities because she's a "girl" bot. That's the point. It's not really a big deal, it's just annoying and a telling sign of the carefree sexism that exists in Japanese culture. I don't like to see it in transformers.

And yes, that pose of Airazor is sexist. Like completely.

It's fine for a female character to be sexy, it likely doesn't encapsulate their whole being.

The last pic of the other females fauning over star saber and then this one is telling to the mindset of the photographer.

it makes me cringe when I see it. Like fem-troopers or the 10000th sexy princess Leia drawing. It's old hat.

[william-james88]

Not sure if you're trying to de-sexualize Arcee, or over-sexualize that baby, but either way, I'm having none of it.

Neither, just trying to show that a woman posing doesnt have to have sexual conotation, and neither do the words innocent or cute. The sexualization is in one's head. I dont see it.

[william-james88]

The pose is sexualities because she's a "girl" bot. That's the point. It's not really a big deal, it's just annoying and a telling sign of the carefree sexism that exists in Japanese culture. I don't like to see it in transformers.

And yes, that pose of Airazor is sexist. Like completely.

It's fine for a female character to be sexy, it likely doesn't encapsulate their whole being.

The last pic of the other females fauning over star saber and then this one is telling to the mindset of the photographer.

it makes me cringe when I see it. Like fem-troopers or the 10000th sexy princess Leia drawing. It's old hat.

Ok, I get what your saying. Regardless of what some of us may think and feel, you dislike the probable intention of the person making and publishing the photo, makes sense.

Now, to lighten things up, here's a sexy princess leia cosplay:

[SKYWARPED_128]

IMO, the whole thing with gender bias and sexualization has more to do with idealization than sexism.

What I mean is, TF's and just about any other fictional characters are manifestations of the idealized human form. Male characters will invariably be either male-model athletic, bodybuilder muscular or intimidating, with the token comic relief character being fat or puny.

In the same sense, females will have the generic slim and agile proportions of athletes or models. The thing is, there are so few female TF's that it seems almost every fembot looks like a pin-up model, except for Strika and Ripclaw. Comparatively, you have tons of male bots with sleek and "physically fit" proportions and only the token DOTM Leadfoot, AOE Hound and TFA/TFP Bulkhead who have fat proportions.

As for the Arcee pose thing, I've seen plenty of female friends lounge on the couch like that.

It's not cute, and it's not innocent...it's natural physiology. It's not submissive or seductive in any way. Seriously, female body language will be somewhat more languid than that of males, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't see how a girl (bot) behaving in a natural way is insulting and sexualized. That's like saying men who walk with a confident stride or sit with their legs apart are sexualizing masculinity.

The only legitimate case of TF female sexualization IMO is Kiss Players.

[shajaki]

And also, no, its not fan art, its real.

That's weird... Dinobot should not be nearly that big.

actually he was.

only one to come close to dinobot in height, was rhinox. and in one episode i recall rhinox grabbing him by the throat, and he had to pull him down to do so.

(this is all S1 by the way, bots got bigger after that )

[fenrir72]

Okay, so anything female must be rendered gender neutral like this?



or this?





Isn't the cultural world going too far with this PC sensitivity nonsense?

These I assume is sexist









So all the macho poses of the male Autobots and Decepticons. Big guns ablazing or erected pose, is that sexualization too? You know, about the big guns?

Does everything have to have an issue behind every movement, pose whatever? I'm with Counterpunch here.It's not the pose but on what goes on in the mind of the viewer.