The Energon Pub

[Cyberpath]

スカージの開発時に、既にその金型を流用してハイブロウを作ることが決定していました。「宇宙船」と「ヘリコプター」、デザインの共通点がない両者の金型をどう共有させるか、それを考慮に入れながら変形案を構築していきました。#TT_TF

Translated from Japanese by Bing

Was determined during the development of the scourge in already diverted to mould them, make the highbrow. "Spaceship" and dies for the missing helicopter, the design similarities between the two to share if you built the transformation plan while taking it into consideration. #TT_TF

普通だとスカージを先に開発し、後から発売するハイブロウには金型流用によるデザインのしわ寄せがくるものです。 でもそれではファンの方々が望んでいるハイブロウが作れないと考え、2体同時進行で開発を行い、両者のデザインの両立を試みています#TT_TF

It is designed by posting toll comes to highbrow and usually developed ago scourge and released later. But so thought cannot make highbrow wants fans, 2 development and at the same time, attempting to balance both design #TT_TF

[Kurona]

mind

[Sabrblade]

Nice sharing of parts and engineering between the two molds.

[Sigma Magnus]

What, lazy retools?! Shame on you Takara! SHAME!!
I'm really impressed with this. They were able make two completely unique figures from the same skeleton, and we didn't even know until they pointed it out! Keep up the good work, Takara.

[Kurona]

This is the best kind of retool. One where you can't even tell it's a retool until it's pointed out to you

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Holy...

They're retools of one another?????

[D-Maximal_Primal]

While in the midst of San Diego Comic Con, Shogo Hasui decided to drop a bombshell. Yes you read the title correctly: Highbrow is a retool of Scourge! Something that has not been mentioned yet is that Highbrow is a retool, which is incredible. Hasui decided to drop the bomb and then talk a little bit about it. You can check out his comparison pictures below and the original tweets as well as a translation of it, all provided by Seibertronian Cyberpath. Also seen is Galvatron's new box with his Headmaster Megatron displayed proudly alongside him. Check it all out and let us know what you think in the comments section below.

普通だとスカージを先に開発し、後から発売するハイブロウには金型流用によるデザインのしわ寄せがくるものです。 でもそれではファンの方々が望んでいるハイブロウが作れないと考え、2体同時進行で開発を行い、両者のデザインの両立を試みています#TT_TF

It is designed by posting toll comes to highbrow and usually developed ago scourge and released later. But so thought cannot make highbrow wants fans, 2 development and at the same time, attempting to balance both design #TT_TF

ハイブロウとスカージは関節が共通なので変形するしないは別にしてこんな感じに自由に組換えられます。 これを応用してオリジナルの変形ロボットを作ったり、好みの関節の色を選んだりして楽しむのも面白いかと思います。#TT_TF

To transform so highbrow and scourge of the joints are common and are not, like genetically modified free will. I also enjoy the sights and color preference of joint, making the original transform robot by applying this interesting. #TT_TF

[Cyberpath]

You mean Hasui.

ハイブロウとスカージは関節が共通なので変形するしないは別にしてこんな感じに自由に組換えられます。 これを応用してオリジナルの変形ロボットを作ったり、好みの関節の色を選んだりして楽しむのも面白いかと思います。#TT_TF

To transform so highbrow and scourge of the joints are common and are not, like genetically modified free will. I also enjoy the sights and color preference of joint, making the original transform robot by applying this interesting. #TT_TF

[Kurona]

You mean Hasui.

ハイブロウとスカージは関節が共通なので変形するしないは別にしてこんな感じに自由に組換えられます。 これを応用してオリジナルの変形ロボットを作ったり、好みの関節の色を選んだりして楽しむのも面白いかと思います。#TT_TF

To transform so highbrow and scourge of the joints are common and are not, like genetically modified free will. I also enjoy the sights and color preference of joint, making the original transform robot by applying this interesting. #TT_TF

Now that's just too weird

[steals_your_goats]

I'm still waiting on one of the usual suspects to bitch about how now these molds are ruined because they're not "unique"

[D-Maximal_Primal]

You mean Hasui.

Sorry! where did you find these By the way? I'm fixing the story now.

[RodimusConvoy13]

I'm still waiting on one of the usual suspects to bitch about how now these molds are ruined because they're not "unique"

Me too!

[Kurona]

Someone needs to tell Yuki it's Headmasters, not Bodymasters

I'm still waiting on one of the usual suspects to bitch about how now these molds are ruined because they're not "unique"

Weeeell, there is a bit of an argument there - after all, it means their transformation sequences are generally the same and looks are the biggest change; as a toy, you're basically getting the same thing. But as long as they don't go overboard - like, CW overboard - with how many uses they get out of this mold, I think it'll be fine. Maybe one more use for a certain female Lost Lighter?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I'm still waiting on one of the usual suspects to bitch about how now these molds are ruined because they're not "unique"

If someone can complain these are retools, that is sad. They are very different, including some transformation aspects.

Someone needs to tell Yuki it's Headmasters, not Bodymasters

I'm still waiting on one of the usual suspects to bitch about how now these molds are ruined because they're not "unique"

Weeeell, there is a bit of an argument there - after all, it means their transformation sequences are generally the same and looks are the biggest change; as a toy, you're basically getting the same thing. But as long as they don't go overboard - like, CW overboard - with how many uses they get out of this mold, I think it'll be fine. Maybe one more use for a certain female Lost Lighter?

I really want my female Lost Lighter. I would be ok with it if the retooling game is this strong. Things are so different

[Carnivius_Prime]

This is fine. Both have so many parts unique to them that they really don't look that much like each other at all and they both clearly resemble their original G1 toy counterparts much more than each other. Certainly nowhere near the Blaster/Soundwave nonsense that Hasbro/Takara keep insisting on doing.

[Cyberpath]

You mean Hasui.

Sorry! where did you find these By the way? I'm fixing the story now.

https://twitter.com/Hasui_TF

[D-Maximal_Primal]

You mean Hasui.

Sorry! where did you find these By the way? I'm fixing the story now.

https://twitter.com/Hasui_TF

Thanks!

still, wow...

[TF-fan kev777]

Wow, that is 1 hell of a retool. I don't know if I would actually consider this a retool as much as shared engineering more inline with Dead End/Chromedome. At first glance, it looks like the only parts that are the same between them are the hands, hips, thighs and shoulder connectors.

[Microraptor]

If they are going to do it this thoroughly, I'm fine with the rest of the line doing it. It's crazy.

[Sabrblade]

Quoting what Diem wrote about this in the Titans Return thread:

I think calling it a retool is a stretch, it looks like the only parts shared are the hips, upper legs, and possibly the waist extender and inner shoulders. There's certainly engineering shared, but there's a big difference between sharing designs and measurements on a toy blueprint and sharing real life plastic parts.

[kurthy]

Quoting what Diem wrote about this in the Titans Return thread:

I think calling it a retool is a stretch, it looks like the only parts shared are the hips, upper legs, and possibly the waist extender and inner shoulders. There's certainly engineering shared, but there's a big difference between sharing designs and measurements on a toy blueprint and sharing real life plastic parts.

I think the fandom as whole needs to come up with a new nomenclature for this:
1. Complete revamps that significantly change the figure like Metroplex/Fort Max, Highbrow/Scourge, Chromedome/Dead End, Sky Dive/Air Raid.
2. The pieces fit together differently but a lot is the same like First Aid/Offroad, PMOP/Ultra Magnus, and Springer/Sandstorm.
3. Most of the outer pieces have different details, but it uses the same guts like Dead End/Streetwise, Rook/Swindle and Cyclonus/Silverbolt.
4. New head like Prowl/Streetwise and Blitzwing/Double Dealer.
5. Different paint job like seekers.

I think 3 is remold, 4 is retool, and 5 is repaint, but I don't think 3 and 4 are very good descriptions and and 1 and 2 have no general descriptions. I'm not even sure about grouping a lot of them in 1 and 2. Then you can also get into the places where the transformation is exactly the same like Fireflight/Sky Dive/Offroad. I'd really like to see someone like Yuki's thoughts on it.

[Sabrblade]

Quoting what Diem wrote about this in the Titans Return thread:

I think calling it a retool is a stretch, it looks like the only parts shared are the hips, upper legs, and possibly the waist extender and inner shoulders. There's certainly engineering shared, but there's a big difference between sharing designs and measurements on a toy blueprint and sharing real life plastic parts.

I think the fandom as whole needs to come up with a new nomenclature for this:
1. Complete revamps that significantly change the figure like Metroplex/Fort Max, Highbrow/Scourge, Chromedome/Dead End, Sky Dive/Air Raid.
2. The pieces fit together differently but a lot is the same like First Aid/Offroad, PMOP/Ultra Magnus, and Springer/Sandstorm.
3. Most of the outer pieces have different details, but it uses the same guts like Dead End/Streetwise, Rook/Swindle and Cyclonus/Silverbolt.
4. New head like Prowl/Streetwise and Blitzwing/Double Dealer.
5. Different paint job like seekers.

1. Shared engineering (though, I'd argue that Metro/Max and Skydive /Air Raid are more reshells instead)
2. Reshell (extensive retool/remold)
3. Major retool/remold
4. Minor retool/remold
5. Redeco

[william-james88]

Wow, that is 1 hell of a retool. I don't know if I would actually consider this a retool as much as shared engineering more inline with Dead End/Chromedome. At first glance, it looks like the only parts that are the same between them are the hands, hips, thighs and shoulder connectors.

Yeah, its more shared engineering between two toys designed at the same time. Its not a retool in any sense since no mold for any piece was retooled.

[william-james88]

I think the fandom as whole needs to come up with a new nomenclature for this:
1. Complete revamps that significantly change the figure like Metroplex/Fort Max, Highbrow/Scourge, Chromedome/Dead End, Sky Dive/Air Raid.
2. The pieces fit together differently but a lot is the same like First Aid/Offroad, PMOP/Ultra Magnus, and Springer/Sandstorm.
3. Most of the outer pieces have different details, but it uses the same guts like Dead End/Streetwise, Rook/Swindle and Cyclonus/Silverbolt.
4. New head like Prowl/Streetwise and Blitzwing/Double Dealer.
5. Different paint job like seekers.

I think 3 is remold, 4 is retool, and 5 is repaint, but I don't think 3 and 4 are very good descriptions and and 1 and 2 have no general descriptions. I'm not even sure about grouping a lot of them in 1 and 2. Then you can also get into the places where the transformation is exactly the same like Fireflight/Sky Dive/Offroad. I'd really like to see someone like Yuki's thoughts on it.

Its pretty black and white actually. A retool is only a retool is a mold's tooling was chagned, hence the word retool. A brand new part is not a retool. Botcon's 2016 Ravage is not a retool since none of the original mold was changed. Its just a redeco with a new head.

Fort Max is totally a retool of Metroplex, not a revamp, because there are parts (like the legs) where the mold was taken directly from metroplex and changed.

Also a key thing about retools is that they must be based on a pre-existing toy. If they are done at the same time, and preconcieved that way (like these and the CW figures) then its not a retool.

"retool" is the term actually used by the people who design and produce the toys. Only actual physical alterations of an existing tooling qualify as a "retool"

None of these toys' toolings existed for one to be based off the other so they are not retools in any way.

Also Remold is not an actual term.

[frogbat]

Was wondering bout what they're gonna retool scourge in as he's a pretty nifty figure.and though the thought of him being the basis For highbrow crossed my mind, I dismissed it when I checked out the pix again... So yeah this is a pretty cool re use of a transformation engineering scheme..

Is triggehappy a new mould or based off an existing figure too?