The Energon Pub

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Ok! So, who are all these guys based on, now that we have clear, straight-on pictures?

The Targetmasters are, from left to right, Kup's partner Recoil, Hot Rod's partner Firebolt, Blurr's partner Haywire (who comes with Doublecross because Legends Blurr already came out; he's obviously still designed to go with Blurr - see those clips on him? Those are no doubt for attaching to Blurr's car mode since it lacks topside ports), Triggerhappy's partner Blowpipe, and Misfire's partner Aimless. That first Headmaster is Triggerhappy's head. Doublecross's Headmaster is based on White Leo (and unlike the US version's "Daburu" is fully painted up to really show it). Not sure on the other head

Aah, but not quite.

While it would be simpler if the Targetmasters came with their actual partners - and I have no idea why they didn't do that - the Targetmasters that are actually assigned to each figure are largely random. I'll quote from Jelze since she had the full list so far:-

Checklist time:

Pinpointer: None
Peacemaker: LG46 Targetmaster Chear / Kup
Spoilsport: None

Firebolt: None
Haywire: LG51 Targetmaster Doublecross / Twinferno
Recoil: None

Aimless: LG52 Targetmaster Misfire
Blowpipe: LG49 Targetmaster Triggerhappy
Caliburst: LG?? Targetmaster Slugslinger

Fracas: LG45 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Nightstick: None

We should start making image comparisons to be honest.

Jelze is wrong and I have no idea where they pulled the Fracas name from. Peacemaker I can see based on comparison, but not Fracas.
Just look at the photos of these Targetmasters and compare them to the original toys.

Firebolt:

Fracas:

Recoil:

Peacemaker:

The LG45 Targetmaster is Firebolt. He has Firebolt's shoulders, Firebolt's head, Firebolts pec detailing, Firebolt's leg detailing, and is double-barreled like Firebolt. On top of that, his eyes are colored Autobot Blue.
The LG46 Targetmaster is less clear-cut. The body detail is like Peacemaker's but the headsculpt is like Recoil's. I would lean towards him being Recoil because he's colored like Recoil and is double-barreled like Recoil.

Fracas already had an update anyway, it was called Nightstick and packaged with Cyclonus because the perpetual bunglers at Marvel Productions & Sunbow mixed the two up back in the eighties:

[Cyberpath]

We should start making image comparisons to be honest.

Cue Cyberbath

We need a Bat-Signal to summon Cyberpath for this stuff.

Here you go, guys. This is the most sense I can make of it. There were so many new characters in "Rebirth" that I never really paid attention to who were the guns and heads aside for the more prominent ones. Unfortunately this reference material is found only in B/W.

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[Kurona]

Weren't a lot of the Targetmaster models switched around in the cartoons? I think the most infamous one was Nightstick but I could've sworn the original toys are a different story.

Still, I was wrong about Firebolt. Whoops!

[Optimum Supreme]

Still loving Tak's actually decoing the Battle Beast for Double Cross's head. Good job guys.

[Kurona]

I'm glad they didn't ditch it like they did with Revolver being Jack on Sixshot. Should be interesting to see how the Legends comic handles this; maybe this will be the introduction of the American style of Headmastering?

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I'm glad they didn't ditch it like they did with Revolver being Jack on Sixshot. Should be interesting to see how the Legends comic handles this; maybe this will be the introduction of the American style of Headmastering?

I'm guessing Takara was nowhere near as amused by the wink-and-nod basing of Revolver on Jack (or the headband) and maybe didn't think it worked given Sixshot's Japanese backstory.

The pairing of White Leo with Doublecross, on the other hand, works nicely with the Monsterbots being assigned to Planet Beast as reinforcements for White Leo and his resistance.

[Relic0037]

Seeing these pictures reminds me why I usually wait for the releases. All the extra paint detail makes a difference. Plus this answers a question I had about whether or not Broadside would include the mini planes from the version.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Weren't a lot of the Targetmaster models switched around in the cartoons? I think the most infamous one was Nightstick but I could've sworn the original toys are a different story.

Still, I was wrong about Firebolt. Whoops!

Really the only other big mixup was Blurr's regular gun being drawn instead of Haywire's gun mode.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Weren't a lot of the Targetmaster models switched around in the cartoons? I think the most infamous one was Nightstick but I could've sworn the original toys are a different story.

Still, I was wrong about Firebolt. Whoops!

Really the only other big mixup was Blurr's regular gun being drawn instead of Haywire's gun mode.

Exactly, but the Fracas/Nightstick mix-up is the more infamous one, and the one with far-reaching headache-inducing consequences. Not just between the naming of the toys between the US and Japan, but the Marvel comics got a wallop as well via Krunix.

And yes, I was wrong about Firebolt, but the two do superficially look similar. To be frank it was the striping on the legs that threw me off.

[joevill]

That's one sexy bot!

[Evil Eye]

Shots out of Minerva and Cab in head mode. The paint is kinda thick on these, though I'm reckoning that might be because they're hand painted prototypes

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Shots out of Minerva and Cab in head mode. The paint is kinda thick on these, though I'm reckoning that might be because they're hand painted prototypes

You have a source so I can news?

[Sabrblade]

Shots out of Minerva and Cab in head mode. The paint is kinda thick on these, though I'm reckoning that might be because they're hand painted prototypes

You have a source so I can news?

http://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810874508/

Featuring even more pics.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Thanks to an alert from Seibertronians Blackhat and Sabrblade, we have some new images to share with you today of the upcoming Cab and Minerva Headmasters from the Takara Legends God Ginrai set! These new images, courtesy of Takara Tomy Mall, show off Cab and Minerva in robot and head mode, along with some images of the Godbomber and Ginrai figures in the set. The set is intended to arrive in late November, so get your pre-orders in now!

[Kurona]

I'm completely a broken record at this point, but Ginrai's feet are just bad. They look so unnatural and almost ruins how amazing the rest of the figure is. It really comes to fore in these images though; sheesh, even Godbomber doesn't save it.


The new heads look alright, but did anyone else think Cab was Swerve?

[Hero Alpha]

I'm completely a broken record at this point, but Ginrai's feet are just bad. They look so unnatural and almost ruins how amazing the rest of the figure is. It really comes to fore in these images though; sheesh, even Godbomber doesn't save it.


The new heads look alright, but did anyone else think Cab was Swerve?

I understand where you're coming from with the feet. But I say a giant, anthropomorphic, robot truck from space can have his feet be slightly, unrealistically human proportioned if he wants I am just rewatching Masterforce, last time only watched some of it and it was 10 yrs ago or so, and loving Ginrai. Lightfoot is cool as well. Although I have a hard time accepting the whole earth, heaven, human power stuff for Transformers. But Im coming around becauase of how great the show is. Almost decided to buy this new set. I already have Go-shuta from Wheelie.

[Cyberpath]

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[Kurona]

Sweet! Got one for Minerva?

[Cyberpath]

Sweet! Got one for Minerva?

Thanks! Tried to. But her head design is missing from the sheet.

[Evil Eye]

I have to say, looking at Minerva...I'm kinda not sure. The "robot" mode looks fine, but the head mode, even with the allowances made for the prototype paint, looks...off somehow. I will say if I get any version of Ginrai it'll probably be this boxset, but I'm actually tempted to just get a Nightbeat and customize it into Minerva, either by using the base faceplate and removing the face portion (and sculpting a replacement) or replacing the faceplate altogether with one off Shapeways.

[G1OPT1MU5PR1M3]

Once you get him in-hand, the feet arent that bad. I made my own heel spurts for more stability and a little bit of clear fingernail polish and he is solid

[Carnivius_Prime]

I'm completely a broken record at this point, but Ginrai's feet are just bad. They look so unnatural and almost ruins how amazing the rest of the figure is. It really comes to fore in these images though; sheesh, even Godbomber doesn't save it.

I think the feet are fine and it's Godbomber that looks like total crud. Especially when combined with Ginrai or in...whatever that thing is in one of the last pics.. a base?

Those Titans look pretty bad too, ugly colour schemes. Really Ginrai is fine on his own. Don't need all this other stuff.

[G1OPT1MU5PR1M3]

That was a horrible opinion

[Kurona]

That was a horrible opinion

That was an unnecessarily rude post. Let's try and have a civil, respectful conversation no matter what you think of another's opinion, yeah? This is just toys.

[G1OPT1MU5PR1M3]

Like i said..."that was a horrible opinion" and thats my opinion... stop looking to start s**t.So Now opinions about opinions are rude? Please, come up with something more creditable. It's disrespect blown all over the place in these threads, dont lecture me