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From the look of the headlight, it looks like Prowl will be true to his original late 70's Datsun Fairlady 280ZX form. That's pretty freakin' awesome.

Since they're being true to the original car makes, I guess we're never going to see Jazz or even Bumblebee with those German car makers avoid toys with guns. Bummer.

i expect them to repaint this one 3 or 4 times too. each repaint will be a masterpiece. what a joke

griftimus prime wrote:i expect them to repaint this one 3 or 4 times too. each repaint will be a masterpiece. what a joke

WIt you on this one. I'm already calling this one as: all the confirmed models (Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen) plus a minor retool will result in Jazz/Stepper/Ricochet. SHould be able to get 6 or 7 figures from this mold.

where are the shoulder cannons??????other than that ....awesome!

First-Aid wrote:plus a minor retool will result in Jazz/Stepper/Ricochet.

You cannot turn this:



into this:



with a mere minor retool. Forgetting about the difference in the shoulders, the chest transforms radically differently, the waist is fundamentally different and the feet/legs transformation is fundamentally different.

Yes Hasbro might try it because in their market, adult collectors make up the minority. However we are talking about Takara, whose bread and butter are adult collectors and where the Masterpiece line is a mainstream retail release. Furthermore Prowl and Meister are very popular characters, so there's no way in hell they're going to cut corners with either.

He looks pretty good for a silhouette!

Prowl didn't have shoulder cannons in the cartoon.

Yessssss! Too bad it's only a teaser picture. I've been waiting for a reveal of at least one of the new MP's since they were announced. But still, even with the filter it still looks awesome. Can't wait to see how he actually looks along with smokescreen and bluestreak.

Also, does anybody know if bluestreak is going to use his cartoon colorway or diaclone version?

sdn1337 wrote:Also, does anybody know if bluestreak is going to use his cartoon colorway or diaclone version?

No word as yet, although I suspect he'll be G1 accurate and the Diaclone colour scheme will be an eHobby exclusive.

Bowspearer wrote:

sdn1337 wrote:Also, does anybody know if bluestreak is going to use his cartoon colorway or diaclone version?

No word as yet, although I suspect he'll be G1 accurate and the Diaclone colour scheme will be an eHobby exclusive.

Thank you, sounds good to me. I'll probably pick up the G1 bluestreak considering i like his colorway. I feel like i were a transformer i would use black, grey, and red too lmao. kremzeek icon... epic.

Wow, I am impressed they actually made his legs exactly like the cartoon. I thought it would have been too much of a stretch to have those rear windows run all the way up his legs, but they did it.

Only thing that bothers me a little is that since MP is going for moving hand parts...Prowl and Sideswipes fists' look a little too big?

It's go time, Takara...

Bowspearer wrote:

First-Aid wrote:plus a minor retool will result in Jazz/Stepper/Ricochet.

You cannot turn this:



into this:



with a mere minor retool. Forgetting about the difference in the shoulders, the chest transforms radically differently, the waist is fundamentally different and the feet/legs transformation is fundamentally different.

Yes Hasbro might try it because in their market, adult collectors make up the minority. However we are talking about Takara, whose bread and butter are adult collectors and where the Masterpiece line is a mainstream retail release. Furthermore Prowl and Meister are very popular characters, so there's no way in hell they're going to cut corners with either.

Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat. Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron. Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?) Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.

Rated X wrote:Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat. Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron. Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?) Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.

I thought Hasbro was the lazy one.

A few points:

1) Ratbat uses the pre-planned alternate head of the Gen. Scourge mold that would go unused otherwise.
2) Odd, you want TakaraTomy to remove a gimmick, that fans would want to remain intact?
3) Arms Micron was all about model kits and customization, that business is huge with the kids in Japan. TakaraTomy merely hooked into it.
4) Since when is G1 Jazz a Datsun?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rated X wrote:Oh the re-tool will happen. Remember Takara are the ones bold enough to paint Scourge purple, give him a new head, and call him Ratbat. Takara is also the one who were too lazy to remove the stupid light up hand gimmick on their version of G1 Unicron. Takara is so lazy they dont even assemble their arms microns, they give you an unasembled kit.(WTF?) Takaras strength is paint and they will make this mold look just like Jazz. The feet will spin around to simulate the proper look, and the wheels on the shoulders will probally flip up. Shoulder cannons will be clip on.

I thought Hasbro was the lazy one.

A few points:

1) Ratbat uses the pre-planned alternate head of the Gen. Scourge mold that would go unused otherwise.
2) Odd, you want TakaraTomy to remove a gimmick, that fans would want to remain intact?
3) Arms Micron was all about model kits and customization, that business is huge with the kids in Japan. TakaraTomy merely hooked into it.
4) Since when is G1 Jazz a Datsun?

1. On ratbat, it's that shiny paint that sold me (and many others Im guessing. Otherwise it's just a purple scourge. ROTF Mindwipe would have probally been a better choice if they really wanted to envoke Senator Ratbat from a neo perspective.

2. Nobody liked the silly light up hand because of lack of symmetry. I never enen put batteries in my Takara version. At least the Hasbro Amazon version gave the clear plastic a silverish tint to make it match his other hand. I own both versions but Takara's colors are more G! movie/cartoon accurate.

3. You got me on the kits. Im just as lazy as Has/Tak and wish they would build them for me. I guess the Japanese like to build/paint alot more. (hence Gundam kits) I only have one Micron (FOC Shockwave) since Im not a TF Prime collector.

4. Remember we are talking about re-tooling here. The transformation is very similar to adapt a porcshe re-shell. The legs can be turned around and the wheels on the the shoulder can be flipped up. If Has/Tak doesnt modify it, Igear might like they did with the seekers.

Jazz was a Porsche 935 Martini racer. With the amount of detail Takara is putting into these, there's no way they'll let Jazz be a Fairlady Z. I really doubt Porsche will let Takara use their car (and probably Martini Racing wouldn't be on board either.) Then again, they did convince Lamborghini to let them use the Countach. Fingers crossed.

My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?

Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations. We could see something simiular on an MP scale. If Prowl's shoulder wheels mysteriously flip up for no reason and his lower legs swivel 360 degrees like FP Assualter, then we know whats coming.

Quick attempt at pulling out more details with Photoshop. I'd wager I could get more definition if I spent more time in Photoshop, but I would imagine that a better picture will hit the internet before too long.



All signs point to the fact that this figure will look incredible.

Rated X wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?

Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations. We could see something simiular on an MP scale. If Prowl's shoulder wheels mysteriously flip up for no reason and his lower legs swivel 360 degrees like FP Assualter, then we know whats coming.

I knew you were gonna bring up Universe Sunsteaker/Sideswipe

While Universe's aim was updating designs, Masterpiece's aim is for cartoon-accuracy and no cutting corners. Take a close look at Red Alert and compare him with Sideswipe. They could have left out the wheels on the shoulders and the detail on the hood chest, but they didn't.

As long as the feet are done right, then I'm all over this. Looking good so far.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rated X wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My thoughts are, if you're going to be redoing the car shell as well as parts of the transformation, you may as well create a whole new mold from scratch. They made a new mold for RtS Jazz instead of making him a Universe Silverstreak repaint, didn't they?

Thats true, but what about when Has/Tak cut costs by intergrating Sunstreaker and Sideswipe into the same mold ? In G1 they were 2 completly different molds. (a real Lamborghini Countach and a futuristic car roughly based on the Lamborghini Countach) With 2 totally different robot mode transformations. We could see something simiular on an MP scale. If Prowl's shoulder wheels mysteriously flip up for no reason and his lower legs swivel 360 degrees like FP Assualter, then we know whats coming.

I knew you were gonna bring up Universe Sunsteaker/Sideswipe

While Universe's aim was updating designs, Masterpiece's aim is for cartoon-accuracy and no cutting corners. Take a close look at Red Alert and compare him with Sideswipe. They could have left out the wheels on the shoulders and the detail on the hood chest, but they didn't.

I tend to think both the Universe line and the Masterpiece line have the same goal. For me "updating designs" means advanced articulation combined with cartoon accuracy. The good thing about the MP line is that it's target audience is NOT kids. So we can get those 80's cars we love instead of something that has to be "cool enough" to impress todays kids. Thats where the whole "NEO" debate comes in. Is "NEO" a designers reinvisioning or a kiddie marketing gimmick ? (Only Hasbro really knows the answer) The bad thing about the MP line is theyre large size and cost. It really restricts the amount of figures designed by Has/Tak as well as a collectors ability to afford and display the entire G1 cast. Not to mention those annoying licensing issues with some car companies like Ferarri and Volkswagon make getting an MP release of some characters impossible.

Doc bot wrote:Since they're being true to the original car makes, I guess we're never going to see Jazz or even Bumblebee with those German car makers avoid toys with guns. Bummer.

They could always release the figures and weapons separately, no?

Honestly, I don't see them finishing the 1984 lineup. And that has nothing to do with car licenses.

They are going to do characters that they think sell the best and then whatever repaints they can get from those... I think after they do a few more season 1 cons/bots they are going to move on to most wanted Season 2/1986 Movie characters and beyond(Armada, beast wars, etc), and by that time the line will probably lose steam and end.

This line is all about toon G1 accuracy though. They most definitely would do a new mold for Jazz. And Cliffy looks nothing like his car, they would make him look like the toon.

As much as I get tired of movie Bee, I really do hope we get a G1 MP for him. If they don't finish the 1984 line-up, as long as we have a MP-10 and a MP Bee I would be pretty happy.

Man, I'm excited about this but I have a lot of catching up to do with MP's since the redesigns, and i sold off all the old ones. I still need MP Grimlock (had him had to sell "crying in the corner") I need MP10, MP11, Got Thundercracker, Need MP12, MP13, Got Red Alert now we got Prowl coming. Oh, how am I gonna do this. It sucks being a no money havin, low wage payin; job bastard!!

Anyone want to buy a Star Wars Collection? lol