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o.supreme wrote:I know this probably sounds like an overly simplistic question...But I wonder if anyone from Hasbro or Takara has ever been asked why their design teams do not work together?
But Takara does not profit from purchases made by non-Japanese consumers
Decepticon Stryker wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:On a side note, this reminds me. Has anyone heard if Takara Blast Off is getting a solo release like Groove did?
Unfortunately I think it's an exclusive to the Bruticus set. Unless a third party decides to send some help our way. Or if Takara decides to be generous, which they have been with Groove so there is a small chance.
william-james88 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:I know this probably sounds like an overly simplistic question...But I wonder if anyone from Hasbro or Takara has ever been asked why their design teams do not work together?
I dont understand how people can think Takara and Hasbro have not worked on Computron together when they have the same bloody toy in both of their sets:
Kurona wrote:Which just makes the whole thing more utterly bizarre to me because why didn't they take more of Takara's Computicon? If they straight-up had the choice how could they seriously consciously think using their previous Scattershot was better than using Takara's Scattershot with the new Computron head?
Oy they give me a headache...
william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote:Which just makes the whole thing more utterly bizarre to me because why didn't they take more of Takara's Computicon? If they straight-up had the choice how could they seriously consciously think using their previous Scattershot was better than using Takara's Scattershot with the new Computron head?
Oy they give me a headache...
The ne tooling didn't fit their budget plans. They wanted to instead ensure they had a legends figure.
There is also that bs quote from their q&a about wanting to be different.
RAR wrote:
So here is a question if There was a line that included the likes of Hoist, Sideswipe & others... is there a potential repaint in one of the torso to complement them ?
RiddlerJ wrote:RAR wrote:
So here is a question if There was a line that included the likes of Hoist, Sideswipe & others... is there a potential repaint in one of the torso to complement them ?
Hot Spot mold as Inferno?
Kurona wrote:Suppose that also explains why Afterbreaker doesn't have Afterburner's new guns.
Q: What goes into the decision-making process of things like for the figures’ prime character still having a Superion head versus a few months later Takara comes out with a Generation 1-accurate Computron head?
John: That’s a good question. A complicated question.
Ben: Yeah, I don’t think it’s something we can get into the full details here, it’s something we definitely know and acknowledge for you guys it can be confusing, but it’s a decision we make on, a lot of it is timing-based, what we kinda wanna get on the market certain things and in our stories. And some of it may have to do with what we’re doing outside of toys and video games, you know, stuff that’s influencing and impacting how we approach our characters and our stories, so we often have an eye to the future that the things we introduce here we expect to see that kind of evolution of that character and that look in other spaces. So, a lot of what you see here is an homage to the past, but as John and Eddie have talked about, a lot of what we’re doing too is an eye towards the future of bringing new fans in and kind of giving us a chance to tell a new story versus kinda being chained to only the old stories. Hopefully you guys all see that big part of the new Machinima Combiner Wars story is there’s a lot of story that’s untold, a lot of gray area, a lot of gaps in our continuity, and that’s part of what we see the opportunity to do with the toys. Like, let’s fill in some gaps, let’s do some cool things that kind of open up the freedom whether it’s a comic or animation just to introduce something new.
william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:I know this probably sounds like an overly simplistic question...But I wonder if anyone from Hasbro or Takara has ever been asked why their design teams do not work together?
I dont understand how people can think Takara and Hasbro have not worked on Computron together when they have the same bloody toy in both of their sets:
So they both magically came up with the same retool without talking to eachother?
No, it was confirmed by Hasbro in an interview I posted a few times that Hasbro was well aware of the plans for Computron and that it didnt suit what they wanted to do. They picked a few elements (like afterburner) but dealt with the rest a different way.
Hasbro and Takara work together constantly to the point where it is sometimes hard to know who did what. Its a really cool relationship.
Well, Hasbro teased a new Overlord toy at BotCon, so he's coming anyway.RiddlerJ wrote:How would people feel about Overlord as a combiner? As in, the combined form is Overlord, and he splits into smaller robots with his alt modes (jet, tank, scout car), but they're all just components of him.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
RiddlerJ wrote:How would people feel about Overlord as a combiner? As in, the combined form is Overlord, and he splits into smaller robots with his alt modes (jet, tank, scout car), but they're all just components of him.
o.supreme wrote:To me that's not working together that's just one company singing the classic song "Anything you can do I can do BETTER" -- True Working together would be...once Hasbro Submitted their designs, Takara would have countered with their improvements, and Hasbro would have went with it, or suggested a counter. a back-and-forth dialogue until a mutual agreement and a uniform toy in all markets would have been produced. Despite the similarities, these are two VERY different toys, Takara went with their idea, and Hasbro stuck with theirs, that is not cooperation.
william-james88 wrote:The back and forth did happen but when Hasbro saw how much things would cost they preferred to do things their own way.
william-james88 wrote:Hasbro cannot afford to give us a toy like Takara's Computron, that's why theirs is so different.
william-james88 wrote:Would you rather Takara lowers to Hasbro's level and both release that same "Hasbro" computron without the new heads and such? Because that is the only way both would release the same product. And I much prefer that to not happen.
william-james88 wrote:BUT their official answer is the following, enjoy:Q: What goes into the decision-making process of things like for the figures’ prime character still having a Superion head versus a few months later Takara comes out with a Generation 1-accurate Computron head?
John: That’s a good question. A complicated question.
Ben: Yeah, I don’t think it’s something we can get into the full details here, it’s something we definitely know and acknowledge for you guys it can be confusing, but it’s a decision we make on, a lot of it is timing-based, what we kinda wanna get on the market certain things and in our stories. And some of it may have to do with what we’re doing outside of toys and video games, you know, stuff that’s influencing and impacting how we approach our characters and our stories, so we often have an eye to the future that the things we introduce here we expect to see that kind of evolution of that character and that look in other spaces. So, a lot of what you see here is an homage to the past, but as John and Eddie have talked about, a lot of what we’re doing too is an eye towards the future of bringing new fans in and kind of giving us a chance to tell a new story versus kinda being chained to only the old stories. Hopefully you guys all see that big part of the new Machinima Combiner Wars story is there’s a lot of story that’s untold, a lot of gray area, a lot of gaps in our continuity, and that’s part of what we see the opportunity to do with the toys. Like, let’s fill in some gaps, let’s do some cool things that kind of open up the freedom whether it’s a comic or animation just to introduce something new.
Instead, fans would be arguing/complaining about why Takara didn't make their Computron any "better" than Hasbro's.o.supreme wrote:I much prefer Takara's Computron, but in all honesty, if theirs was exactly like Hasbro's, we would not be having this discussion and never know the difference, and fans would not be having to debate whether to spend extra money for a nicer toy they *technically* should not have just because of where they happen to live, or purchase the one they are supposed to, based on where they happen live.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Instead, fans would be arguing/complaining about why Takara didn't make their Computron any "better" than Hasbro's.![]()
o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Instead, fans would be arguing/complaining about why Takara didn't make their Computron any "better" than Hasbro's.![]()
True...but that's because fans have come to expect Takara's product to be better, if they had been uniform since the Transformers brand began, or even say, for the last decade or so...there would be no question.
william-james88 wrote:But we cant travel back in time, this is the situation now. But we can change it. Hasbro is a company like any other, they want to sell their products. Most parents will not be buying a 100$ boxset, this computron is for "colelctors". So if you preffer the takara one and would rather they make things more like Takara then dont buy the Hasbro version. If all fans who preffer the Takara one buys that one instead, and keeps doing so, then these collector oriented products would not sell and Hasbro would be forced to rethink their stragtegy. But as long as people buy them, and Hasbro makes money, there is no need to change the status quo. Consumers dictate the market, not the other way around. Example: there are no poopoo flavoured lollipops because consumers would not buy them.
o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:But we cant travel back in time, this is the situation now. But we can change it. Hasbro is a company like any other, they want to sell their products. Most parents will not be buying a 100$ boxset, this computron is for "colelctors". So if you preffer the takara one and would rather they make things more like Takara then dont buy the Hasbro version. If all fans who preffer the Takara one buys that one instead, and keeps doing so, then these collector oriented products would not sell and Hasbro would be forced to rethink their stragtegy. But as long as people buy them, and Hasbro makes money, there is no need to change the status quo. Consumers dictate the market, not the other way around. Example: there are no poopoo flavoured lollipops because consumers would not buy them.
Oh I totally agree with this...just don't know how much truth there is to it. I haven't purchased any Hasbro "collector" oriented TF products in well over a decade. Its an experiment that I guess will take time. I'll check in with you in August of 2026 and see where the brand is and if Takara is still making better toys than Hasbro, or if they are more uniform.
Also on a side note. Most comic fans I talk to hate the new direction Marvel is going in their comics, yet that hasn't stopped them from going ahead full steam.
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