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[Cobotron]

(Combiner? I hardly knew 'er!)

[Kurona]

I don't... really see much of a problem with how Victorion currently is aside from of course the small hands/feet and the general problems the molds themselves have (without PE feet the Hot Spot/Onslaught torso has a severely bad case of fat legs). It's nice to have a bulky female in Transformers for the first time since Strika; I honestly think Pyra Magna alone is my favourite female TF design in Transformers right now.

[MemphisR56]

Interesting...More Deceptifemmes is always good. I might be tempted to get this. I'd never combine her though. (Combiner? I hardly knew 'er!)

SIG'd

Heh heh, thanks.

Speaking of Vicky and her...robust proportions, I did a (very crude) digibash to try and give an idea of how she SHOULD look if she got an original mold rather than being a somewhat lazy retool (granted this would probably be completely impossible to achieve, but in an ideal world in which, say, Maketoys did an all-new mold version of her, this would be a good framework for her overall silhouette).



(Yes my photomanipulation skills are terrible. So sue me.)

But anyway, my ideas for improving Vicky:
>She needs narrower shoulders.
>The copter tails, rather than forming broad 80s shoulder pads, could instead go vertical and form Evangelion/Gunbuster-esque shoulder pylons, thus still remaining intimidating/imposing whilst not just looking manly.
>She needs an overall narrower body, especially the waist (to compensate for this she should have a longer torso and limbs so she isn't too petite).
>Her lower legs should be slimmer.

As for some things I couldn't 'shop on because I suck with GIMP:
>Rather than having sheer mass, she should improve her overall silhouette with lots of protruding things- fins, antenna, guns, blades, the previously mentioned shoulder pylons etc.
>Alternatively she could still have big ol' shoulders, but rather than just having broad shoulders, she should have more normal feminine shoulders, and make up for it with big ol' shoulder pads which are obviously separate from her actual shoulders.
>If she must have heels (which personally I don't think she needs) they should be longer, pointier and less blocky.
>Overall, she could stand to look less like a traditional Scramble City combiner and more like something a bit more...elegant? Refined? Here's a few mecha designs I think would be good for drawing inspiration from for a theoretical "new" Victorion toy.

(One of the mecha from Five Star Stories, AKA the most gorgeous looking mecha series ever)

(Detonator Orgun, one of Masami Obari's mecha designs)

(The Qubeley from Zeta Gundam)

(The ANIMA design of Evangelion Unit 01)

The sword is cool as is but I wish the individual weapons were less awful (aside from the war pick and the two swords).

So your solution to her having nonstandard proportions is a redisign by Obari or Nagano, both if whom are known for their nonstandard propiirtions...

It's a bit odd man. That ssuper svelte waist doesn't really match up with giamongous hips. But hey, if thats how you like your femmebots, whatever floats your boat.

Nagano and Obari are both wicked designers, but they feel very different from both eachother and from transformers for me. Except japanese G1 and braves, which are obari as F.

Out of curiousity, whats your stance on Okawara, Katoki, Kawamori and Shinkawa?

[Evil Eye]

Interesting...More Deceptifemmes is always good. I might be tempted to get this. I'd never combine her though. (Combiner? I hardly knew 'er!)

SIG'd

Heh heh, thanks.

Speaking of Vicky and her...robust proportions, I did a (very crude) digibash to try and give an idea of how she SHOULD look if she got an original mold rather than being a somewhat lazy retool (granted this would probably be completely impossible to achieve, but in an ideal world in which, say, Maketoys did an all-new mold version of her, this would be a good framework for her overall silhouette).



(Yes my photomanipulation skills are terrible. So sue me.)

But anyway, my ideas for improving Vicky:
>She needs narrower shoulders.
>The copter tails, rather than forming broad 80s shoulder pads, could instead go vertical and form Evangelion/Gunbuster-esque shoulder pylons, thus still remaining intimidating/imposing whilst not just looking manly.
>She needs an overall narrower body, especially the waist (to compensate for this she should have a longer torso and limbs so she isn't too petite).
>Her lower legs should be slimmer.

As for some things I couldn't 'shop on because I suck with GIMP:
>Rather than having sheer mass, she should improve her overall silhouette with lots of protruding things- fins, antenna, guns, blades, the previously mentioned shoulder pylons etc.
>Alternatively she could still have big ol' shoulders, but rather than just having broad shoulders, she should have more normal feminine shoulders, and make up for it with big ol' shoulder pads which are obviously separate from her actual shoulders.
>If she must have heels (which personally I don't think she needs) they should be longer, pointier and less blocky.
>Overall, she could stand to look less like a traditional Scramble City combiner and more like something a bit more...elegant? Refined? Here's a few mecha designs I think would be good for drawing inspiration from for a theoretical "new" Victorion toy.

(One of the mecha from Five Star Stories, AKA the most gorgeous looking mecha series ever)

(Detonator Orgun, one of Masami Obari's mecha designs)

(The Qubeley from Zeta Gundam)

(The ANIMA design of Evangelion Unit 01)

The sword is cool as is but I wish the individual weapons were less awful (aside from the war pick and the two swords).

So your solution to her having nonstandard proportions is a redisign by Obari or Nagano, both if whom are known for their nonstandard propiirtions...

Well the problem isn't so much nonstandard proportions and more that she has very standard...male proportions. I dunno, I really like aesthetic variety, and Victorion being Blocky Robot #84647 is kinda...dull. But then I have very strange tastes- I'd like to see an Abominus with digitigrade legs, hooves and Gigeresque Kenner Alien style sculpting.

It's a bit odd man. That ssuper svelte waist doesn't really match up with giamongous hips. But hey, if thats how you like your femmebots, whatever floats your boat.

Heh heh. In all honesty that shoop was a really bad job on my part. I think I should have rounded off the hips a bit.

Nagano and Obari are both wicked designers, but they feel very different from both eachother and from transformers for me. Except japanese G1 and braves, which are obari as F.

Yeah I see what you mean. But then I'm a huge fan of Brave/J-G1 designs.

Out of curiousity, whats your stance on Okawara, Katoki, Kawamori and Shinkawa?

Kawamori is awesome. He's an actual engineer so most of his designs "work". I'm one of the few that loves MP-03's design.

Katoki's the Five Star Stories bloke right? I love love LOVE those designs. They're so bloody REGAL.

Yoji Shinkawa is cool as hell. I actually considered buying one of the cheaper transforming ZotE Revoltechs and customizing it into a Cybertronian Thunderblast.

Kunio Okawara is pretty great. IIRC he did most of the 0079 Gundam designs, which for the most part I love.

Another mecha designer I love is Yamashita (AKA the guy who does the mecha designs for Evangelion). He does some really, really cool art.


TLDR: I really love seeing differing aesthetics/design cues in Transformers, and I wish there was more variety amongst the combiners- Victorion being the first all-female SC combiner I wish she was more unique designwise.

[MemphisR56]

Kawamori is awesome. He's an actual engineer so most of his designs "work". I'm one of the few that loves MP-03's design.

Katoki's the Five Star Stories bloke right? I love love LOVE those designs. They're so bloody REGAL.

Yoji Shinkawa is cool as hell. I actually considered buying one of the cheaper transforming ZotE Revoltechs and customizing it into a Cybertronian Thunderblast.

Kunio Okawara is pretty great. IIRC he did most of the 0079 Gundam designs, which for the most part I love.

Another mecha designer I love is Yamashita (AKA the guy who does the mecha designs for Evangelion). He does some really, really cool art.


TLDR: I really love seeing differing aesthetics/design cues in Transformers, and I wish there was more variety amongst the combiners- Victorion being the first all-female SC combiner I wish she was more unique designwise.

Actually, Hajime Katoki is the modern gundam designer. He's the chap behind the mastergrade toyline and the Unicorn gundam. Think huge long legs.

Mamoru Nagano who designed the quebeley and most of the outlandish Z and ZZ era gundam designs is responsible for the FSS mecha designs. (fun fact: he's married to the VA for Quess from CCA & Beltorchika from Z.)

I share your enthusiasm for Shouji Kawamori, particularly his work on armored core. I love his stylish realist designs. Though a lot of his mechs all suffer from limited hip articulation, only forward and backwards, no in/out or rotation!

The more you know!

EDIT: Added first names for the designers, for ease of googling for the uninitiated.

[Evil Eye]

Kawamori is awesome. He's an actual engineer so most of his designs "work". I'm one of the few that loves MP-03's design.

Katoki's the Five Star Stories bloke right? I love love LOVE those designs. They're so bloody REGAL.

Yoji Shinkawa is cool as hell. I actually considered buying one of the cheaper transforming ZotE Revoltechs and customizing it into a Cybertronian Thunderblast.

Kunio Okawara is pretty great. IIRC he did most of the 0079 Gundam designs, which for the most part I love.

Another mecha designer I love is Yamashita (AKA the guy who does the mecha designs for Evangelion). He does some really, really cool art.


TLDR: I really love seeing differing aesthetics/design cues in Transformers, and I wish there was more variety amongst the combiners- Victorion being the first all-female SC combiner I wish she was more unique designwise.

Actually, Hajime Katoki is the modern gundam designer. He's the chap behind the mastergrade toyline and the Unicorn gundam. Think huge long legs.

Mamoru Nagano who designed the quebeley and most of the outlandish Z and ZZ era gundam designs is responsible for the FSS mecha designs. (fun fact: he's married to the VA for Quess from CCA & Beltorchika from Z.)

I share your enthusiasm for Shouji Kawamori, particularly his work on armored core. I love his stylish realist designs. Though a lot of his mechs all suffer from limited hip articulation, only forward and backwards, no in/out or rotation!

The more you know!

EDIT: Added first names for the designers, for ease of googling for the uninitiated.

Ah, I thought I was getting something wrong. I do like Katoki's designs though, controversial in some circles though they are.

And yeah, I reckon the limited outward hip movement on Kawamori robots is a result of one of two things:

1: Actual mechanical limitations, as his designs are extremely "realistic" (the Valkyrie is THE definitive transforming plane robot, but most toys of it suffer in the leg department due to the complex leg transformation).
2: His undying fetish for hip-pods (which I share).

[Madeus Prime]

Guesses about component character identities are the obvious idea of Dust Up being made into Nightbird, and Pyra Magna being made into the only known "wife of the Emperor of Destruction" there is: Esmeral (Deszaras's wife).

So what do we got going for us...

Pyra Magna = Esmeral
Dust Up = Nightbird
Jumpstream = Nightracer
Skyburst = Airachnid (too much to hope for probably...)
Stormclash = Bayonet (too much to hope for probably...)

[Kurona]

Stormclash = Bayonet

pls no

In any case after the absolute madness of Grand Galvatron I wouldn't say there's many things that are "too much to hope for". Especially if this IS Esmeral, who has a completely different body frame.

[Sabrblade]

Stormclash = Bayonet

pls no

In any case after the absolute madness of Grand Galvatron I wouldn't say there's many things that are "too much to hope for". Especially if this IS Esmeral, who has a completely different body frame.

From the looks of the Decepti-Victorion head sketch, it looks like they're gonna be painting an extra set of beast eyes on her helmet to emulate the eyes of the bird kaiju helmet her husband wore.

[Kurona]

Stormclash = Bayonet

pls no

In any case after the absolute madness of Grand Galvatron I wouldn't say there's many things that are "too much to hope for". Especially if this IS Esmeral, who has a completely different body frame.

From the looks of the Decepti-Victorion head sketch, it looks like they're gonna be painting an extra set of beast eyes on her helmet to emulate the eyes of the bird kaiju helmet her husband wore.

And the helmet she wore.

[Sabrblade]

Stormclash = Bayonet

pls no

In any case after the absolute madness of Grand Galvatron I wouldn't say there's many things that are "too much to hope for". Especially if this IS Esmeral, who has a completely different body frame.

From the looks of the Decepti-Victorion head sketch, it looks like they're gonna be painting an extra set of beast eyes on her helmet to emulate the eyes of the bird kaiju helmet her husband wore.

And the helmet she wore.

Couldn't tell/wasn't sure if those black notches were meant to be eyes or not, so I stayed on the safe side.

[RAR]

You can make a tall and thin vicky by flipping the legs around so the gaps face forwards and are still in robot mode- then mount the car legs sideways with the wheels facing forwards , and then with the helicopter arms rotate the elbow so the sides of the helicopter face forwards.

Not only does it look different to Defensor it also look slimmer of frame too.

(not so different from fan transformations for Optimus Maximus really).

If Takara make their own version they should consider changing out one of the Helicopters for something else.

[Kurona]

You can make a tall and thin vicky by flipping the legs around so the gaps face forwards and are still in robot mode- then mount the car legs sideways with the wheels facing forwards , and then with the helicopter arms rotate the elbow so the sides of the helicopter face forwards.

Not only does it look different to Defensor it also look slimmer of frame too.

(not so different from fan transformations for Optimus Maximus really).

If Takara make their own version they should consider changing out one of the Helicopters for something else.

The preview has already shown that they're using all the same molds as Victorion.

[Easy Tiger]

You can make a tall and thin vicky by flipping the legs around so the gaps face forwards and are still in robot mode- then mount the car legs sideways with the wheels facing forwards , and then with the helicopter arms rotate the elbow so the sides of the helicopter face forwards.

Not only does it look different to Defensor it also look slimmer of frame too.

(not so different from fan transformations for Optimus Maximus really).

If Takara make their own version they should consider changing out one of the Helicopters for something else.

The preview has already shown that they're using all the same molds as Victorion.

Well, sort of...

One of the helicopter molds has to be inferred from a shoulder, and you only see Jumpstream's head and chest. While the head is the same, the chest certainly isn't. Other than the head, which I'd guess is on a separate mold with the other heads anyway, there's nothing to suggest it's the Breakdown mold.

It's entirely possible that the different chest is just artistic license being employed to allow for the opportunity to imply cleavage. That said, it's not like Takara hasn't remolded larger boobs onto transformers in the past.

[Kurona]

You can make a tall and thin vicky by flipping the legs around so the gaps face forwards and are still in robot mode- then mount the car legs sideways with the wheels facing forwards , and then with the helicopter arms rotate the elbow so the sides of the helicopter face forwards.

Not only does it look different to Defensor it also look slimmer of frame too.

(not so different from fan transformations for Optimus Maximus really).

If Takara make their own version they should consider changing out one of the Helicopters for something else.

The preview has already shown that they're using all the same molds as Victorion.

Well, sort of...

One of the helicopter molds has to be inferred from a shoulder, and you only see Jumpstream's head and chest. While the head is the same, the chest certainly isn't. Other than the head, which I'd guess is on a separate mold with the other heads anyway, there's nothing to suggest it's the Breakdown mold.

It's entirely possible that it's just artistic license being employed to allow for the opportunity to imply cleavage. That said, it's not like Takara hasn't remolded larger boobs onto transformers in the past.

It shows the same head, and I doubt they'd put the head onto an entirely new body. I guess it's possible, mind. Maybe they'll even retool one of the Helicopters into a new vehicle mode. Anyone remember those Blast Off mockups made out of Alpha Bravo?

[Easy Tiger]

You can make a tall and thin vicky by flipping the legs around so the gaps face forwards and are still in robot mode- then mount the car legs sideways with the wheels facing forwards , and then with the helicopter arms rotate the elbow so the sides of the helicopter face forwards.

Not only does it look different to Defensor it also look slimmer of frame too.

(not so different from fan transformations for Optimus Maximus really).

If Takara make their own version they should consider changing out one of the Helicopters for something else.

The preview has already shown that they're using all the same molds as Victorion.

Well, sort of...

One of the helicopter molds has to be inferred from a shoulder, and you only see Jumpstream's head and chest. While the head is the same, the chest certainly isn't. Other than the head, which I'd guess is on a separate mold with the other heads anyway, there's nothing to suggest it's the Breakdown mold.

It's entirely possible that it's just artistic license being employed to allow for the opportunity to imply cleavage. That said, it's not like Takara hasn't remolded larger boobs onto transformers in the past.

It shows the same head, and I doubt they'd put the head onto an entirely new body. I guess it's possible, mind. Maybe they'll even retool one of the Helicopters into a new vehicle mode. Anyone remember those Blast Off mockups made out of Alpha Bravo?

I have a sneaky feeling that they'll, at the very least, use their Vortex rotors on one of the Helicopter twins...

[Kurona]

You can make a tall and thin vicky by flipping the legs around so the gaps face forwards and are still in robot mode- then mount the car legs sideways with the wheels facing forwards , and then with the helicopter arms rotate the elbow so the sides of the helicopter face forwards.

Not only does it look different to Defensor it also look slimmer of frame too.

(not so different from fan transformations for Optimus Maximus really).

If Takara make their own version they should consider changing out one of the Helicopters for something else.

The preview has already shown that they're using all the same molds as Victorion.

Well, sort of...

One of the helicopter molds has to be inferred from a shoulder, and you only see Jumpstream's head and chest. While the head is the same, the chest certainly isn't. Other than the head, which I'd guess is on a separate mold with the other heads anyway, there's nothing to suggest it's the Breakdown mold.

It's entirely possible that it's just artistic license being employed to allow for the opportunity to imply cleavage. That said, it's not like Takara hasn't remolded larger boobs onto transformers in the past.

It shows the same head, and I doubt they'd put the head onto an entirely new body. I guess it's possible, mind. Maybe they'll even retool one of the Helicopters into a new vehicle mode. Anyone remember those Blast Off mockups made out of Alpha Bravo?

I have a sneaky feeling that they'll, at the very least, use their Vortex rotors on one of the Helicopter twins...

That would be cool. More differentiation is always welcome

[william-james88]

I know he was sold out, but UW Computron is now back up for preorder at BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

[nycPrime]

I know he was sold out, but UW Computron is now back up for preorder at BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

Argh, can't decide if I should pull the trigger on this or suck it up for a possibly discounted CW version.

[william-james88]

I know he was sold out, but UW Computron is now back up for preorder at BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

Argh, can't decide if I should pull the trigger on this or suck it up for a possibly discounted CW version.

It all depends on what you want and what is dear to you. I liked us Bruticus more due to a proper Blastoff. But I was able to get Hasbro's 5 member team for less than 60$ so at that price I was morevthan happy with Hasbro. Shuttle blastoff was not so dear to my heart,more like a nice to have.
As for computron, I cannot stand the idea of having a new and different combiner have the exact same looking torso and head as another and thus I am glad to pay the extra import costs. For me it's takara's or none at all.
If you don'tind Hasbro's then wait for an eventual sale on amazon and use your savings on getting more toys you like

[william-james88]

I know he was sold out, but UW Computron is now back up for preorder at BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

Argh, can't decide if I should pull the trigger on this or suck it up for a possibly discounted CW version.

It all depends on what you want and what is dear to you. I liked UW Bruticus more due to a proper Blastoff. But I was able to get Hasbro's 5 member team for less than 60$ so at that price I was morevthan happy with Hasbro. Shuttle blastoff was not so dear to my heart,more like a nice to have.
As for computron, I cannot stand the idea of having a new and different combiner have the exact same looking torso and head as another and thus I am glad to pay the extra import costs. For me it's takara's or none at all.
If you don'tind Hasbro's then wait for an eventual sale on amazon and use your savings on getting more toys you like

[Sowndwave76]

I understand Hasbro's Comp set looks closer to the original toys in terms of colors.
But part of the reason I like the show accurate figures is because it's on the show where you saw these figures personalities and character.
Yes the toys come with "descriptions" of the figures, but they're really short, and come nowhere close to how you could watch the characters actually act/react in different situations, with other characters, etc.

Anyway, shouldn't be long until UW Comp is in stock!

[Sabrblade]

I understand Hasbro's Comp set looks closer to the original toys in terms of colors.
But part of the reason I like the show accurate figures is because it's on the show where you saw these figures personalities and character.

While true, that characters would appear in the show didn't always mean that their appearances in the show were always good-looking. Some very ugly character designs cropped up the cartoon just like some neat-looking ones did too.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

So if TFsource lists my preorder as a backorder, does that mean I won't be getting him when a lot of you will be getting your notifications that he is in stock?

[Sowndwave76]

So if TFsource lists my preorder as a backorder, does that mean I won't be getting him when a lot of you will be getting your notifications that he is in stock?

Sure, fair enough.
But in this case, the UW set looks amazing...
And in the grand scheme, Computron is a little more obscure than a lot of other G1 characters.
So finally getting a proper update... I want the set that most look like the characters.
For a long time I was hooked on how great the new headsculpt and chest area look.
Which distracted me a bit from how bad the Hasbro torso looks because it really is just Superion's torso repainted.