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[fenrir72]

Is Unite Warriors Defensor still slated for a December release as well? I was hoping it might get pushed up to October, so it wouldn't have to share a release month with Devastator. With Superion being released in June, and Menasor due later this month, that leaves a long gap in between Unite Warriors releases. Kind of an odd move.

ETA October 2015. Then 2 months later on December Devstar.

What's the source for that date, if you don't mind? TFSource and BBTS still have UW Defensor slated for a December 2015 release, hence my confusion in the matter.

December sounds about right. It is getting released from the initial source (TTMALL) November 28 November 28, 2015. So the time it takes to get to the stateside warehouses would be well into december.

http://takaratomymall.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=4904810831747

Okay, so the October release date is definitely wrong. Too bad, as I get an extra pay check that month

So the release date has been moved. Previously it was end of October for Guardian which required immediate payment among online stores for him. As he's already paid for so no problem.

Devstar more or less last week of December, maybe Christmas in Japan. Barring delays that is.

[Cyberpath]

[Va'al]

Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath notifies us again of another TFYuki image, this time from the Takara Tomy Unite Warriors line - showing off the two teams of Aerialbots and Stunticons as they face off against each other in their individual robot modes! Check out the Takara deco on the UW-02 set, compared to its Hasbro counterpart (which you can find in our galleries here), in the mirrored image below.

[MemphisR56]

I actually really like the UW Menasor deccos mostly, but Breakdown just looks so plain. I can't put my finger on why.

[william-james88]

I actually really like the UW Menasor deccos mostly, but Breakdown just looks so plain. I can't put my finger on why.

I feel they all look plain aside from Menasor. Although I do preffer the chest areas for Dead End and Wildrider.

[no-one]

I actually really like the UW Menasor deccos mostly, but Breakdown just looks so plain. I can't put my finger on why.

I feel they all look plain aside from Menasor. Although I do preffer the chest areas for Dead End and Wildrider.

Dragstrip looks like he is borrowing the emperor's new clothes.

[Hellscream9999]

I actually really like the UW Menasor deccos mostly, but Breakdown just looks so plain. I can't put my finger on why.

I feel they all look plain aside from Menasor. Although I do preffer the chest areas for Dead End and Wildrider.

That's because they are plain they've literally been stripped of any and all paint apps that could have made them visually interesting; not sure why it's commanding such a premium price - as compared to hasbro's that have far more paint apps

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I actually really like the UW Menasor deccos mostly, but Breakdown just looks so plain. I can't put my finger on why.

I feel they all look plain aside from Menasor. Although I do preffer the chest areas for Dead End and Wildrider.

That's because they are plain they've literally been stripped of any and all paint apps that could have made them visually interesting; not sure why it's commanding such a premium price - as compare to hasbros that have far more paint apps

I agree. The unite Menasor looks so boring

[william-james88]

I actually really like the UW Menasor deccos mostly, but Breakdown just looks so plain. I can't put my finger on why.

I feel they all look plain aside from Menasor. Although I do preffer the chest areas for Dead End and Wildrider.

Dragstrip looks like he is borrowing the emperor's new clothes.

That's because they are plain they've literally been stripped of any and all paint apps that could have made them visually interesting; not sure why it's commanding such a premium price - as compared to hasbro's that have far more paint apps

I wont argue with the paint apps, but they are not selling at a premium compared to Hasbro's, you can buy it right now for 89.98 $ US, which is the same if not cheaper than what Menasor would cost at TRU (actually, it's cheaper, especially if you are stuck having to buy brake-neck now). You have to pay a higher shipping fee (about 30$) but that isnt the toy's price, it's your cost, and that doesnt count as a premium.

Also, while the paint apps might suck, they are made to be more in line with the G1 cartoon model. It actually worked wonders with the aerialbots. At first, I thought I was jipped from paint apps but then I realized the subtle touched of the Takara version and realized it's subtle superiority. For instance, check how the Takara version extends the pain for the wings to make the wing seem longer compared to the Hasbro version. For me, that made a huge difference and it made the purchase worthwhile. I dont know if there will be similar subtle but meaningful paint applications with these guys.

Hasbro:


Takara


Animation Model

[Yotsuyasan]

Also, while the paint apps might suck, they are made to be more in line with the G1 cartoon model. It actually worked wonders with the aerialbots. At first, I thought I was jipped from paint apps but then I realized the subtle touched of the Takara version and realized it's subtle superiority. For instance, check how the Takara version extends the pain for the wings to make the wing seem longer compared to the Hasbro version. For me, that made a huge difference and it made the purchase worthwhile.

Takara

I recognize that Fireflight!

Sucks for him that Takara extended his pain. I feel sorry for him. And what a horrible person you are, taking such joy in finding his pain worthwhile!

(Don't you love when typos make other words?)

[Wolfman Jake]

Sucks for him that Takara extended his pain. I feel sorry for him. And what a horrible person you are, taking such joy in finding his pain worthwhile!

(Don't you love when typos make other words?)

You know what they say: no pain, no gaint.

[Va'al]

Sucks for him that Takara extended his pain. I feel sorry for him. And what a horrible person you are, taking such joy in finding his pain worthwhile!

(Don't you love when typos make other words?)

You know what they say: no pain, no gaint.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Sucks for him that Takara extended his pain. I feel sorry for him. And what a horrible person you are, taking such joy in finding his pain worthwhile!

(Don't you love when typos make other words?)

You know what they say: no pain, no gaint.

Lol I love that picture.

[Hellscream9999]

That's because they are plain they've literally been stripped of any and all paint apps that could have made them visually interesting; not sure why it's commanding such a premium price - as compared to hasbro's that have far more paint apps

I wont argue with the paint apps, but they are not selling at a premium compared to Hasbro's, you can buy it right now for 89.98 $ US, which is the same if not cheaper than what Menasor would cost at TRU (actually, it's cheaper, especially if you are stuck having to buy brake-neck now). You have to pay a higher shipping fee (about 30$) but that isnt the toy's price, it's your cost, and that doesnt count as a premium.

Also, while the paint apps might suck, they are made to be more in line with the G1 cartoon model. It actually worked wonders with the aerialbots. At first, I thought I was jipped from paint apps but then I realized the subtle touched of the Takara version and realized it's subtle superiority. For instance, check how the Takara version extends the pain for the wings to make the wing seem longer compared to the Hasbro version. For me, that made a huge difference and it made the purchase worthwhile. I dont know if there will be similar subtle but meaningful paint applications with these guys.

I won't argue with amiami they're great, but I live in America, so things are a tiny bit different price wise, but I think that they are more exception than rule, and should be referenced as such.

Yeah the TT aerialbots looked gorgeous; the TT stunticons look like a joke (with possible exception of mm), I LIKE that hasbro is G1 accurate WHILE STILL UPDATING THE PAINT SCHEME. It's not like its some sort of insult to their memory, everybody flipped to get a classics bumblebee even though he looked very dissimilar to G1.

(and really shouldn't racing cars have flashy paint jobs?)

[Wolfman Jake]

Optimus is definitely too into getting bench pressed by his own sister.

[munkimus prime]

Motormaster in my opinion is the only one of the Stunticons that looks any better than the Hasbro version.

[Hellscream9999]

Motormaster in my opinion is the only one of the Stunticons that looks any better than the Hasbro version.

That basically summarizes the set to a 'T'

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Optimus is definitely too into getting bench pressed by his own sister.

Sister??? Elita-1 was her girlfriend remember???

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Motormaster in my opinion is the only one of the Stunticons that looks any better than the Hasbro version.

That basically summarizes the set to a 'T'

Unfortunately yes. By going very G1 this set is actually a turn-off

[Hellscream9999]

Motormaster in my opinion is the only one of the Stunticons that looks any better than the Hasbro version.

That basically summarizes the set to a 'T'

Unfortunately yes. By going very G1 this set is actually a turn-off

That is essentially what happens when you go 'cartoon accurate', or even 'toy accurate' in some cases. I don't know why it is always on some pedestal; admit it, the cartoon was lazily drawn/colored in almost all cases. Whole deco's were skipped over and often the characters were just a uniform color (seekers) that looked nothing like the toy (astrotrain comes to mind quickly) or just randomly shaded boxes (menasor and defensor) so there really is no way that this can be used as an argument for g1/tt superiority; I admit their aerialbots look very nice, but they didn't look like that in the show, and the g1 stunticons were totally bland

[fenrir72]

I actually really like the UW Menasor deccos mostly, but Breakdown just looks so plain. I can't put my finger on why.

I feel they all look plain aside from Menasor. Although I do preffer the chest areas for Dead End and Wildrider.

Dragstrip looks like he is borrowing the emperor's new clothes.

That's because they are plain they've literally been stripped of any and all paint apps that could have made them visually interesting; not sure why it's commanding such a premium price - as compared to hasbro's that have far more paint apps

I wont argue with the paint apps, but they are not selling at a premium compared to Hasbro's, you can buy it right now for 89.98 $ US, which is the same if not cheaper than what Menasor would cost at TRU (actually, it's cheaper, especially if you are stuck having to buy brake-neck now). You have to pay a higher shipping fee (about 30$) but that isnt the toy's price, it's your cost, and that doesnt count as a premium.

Also, while the paint apps might suck, they are made to be more in line with the G1 cartoon model. It actually worked wonders with the aerialbots. At first, I thought I was jipped from paint apps but then I realized the subtle touched of the Takara version and realized it's subtle superiority. For instance, check how the Takara version extends the pain for the wings to make the wing seem longer compared to the Hasbro version. For me, that made a huge difference and it made the purchase worthwhile. I dont know if there will be similar subtle but meaningful paint applications with these guys.

Hasbro:


Takara


Animation Model

Mebbe to each his own taste? And yes, the price is indeed at par with the HB domestic release . Which is kind of weird that (again based on each of our quirks), people will balk at buying a TT version due to pricing issues but will spend oodles to get a pain in the @ss htf HB Wildrider and Slingshot and all other accessories to bling up the domestic version.

Again, that might be personal preference but still.........

[fenrir72]

Optimus is definitely too into getting bench pressed by his own sister.

Sister??? Elita-1 was her girlfriend remember???

They both have same creator ...A-3. So technically, they doing robo incest

[Hellscream9999]

Mebbe to each his own taste? And yes, the price is indeed at par with the HB domestic release . Which is kind of weird that (again based on each of our quirks), people will balk at buying a TT version due to pricing issues but will spend oodles to get a pain in the @ss htf HB Wildrider and Slingshot and all other accessories to bling up the domestic version.

Again, that might be personal preference but still.........

I think amiami is an excetion - not a rule, every importer (bbts, etc) charges much more than amiami, so are there other places that charge lower prices? Plus buying through hts with coupons and free shipping, or other retailers will net you a much lower cost, you just have to have patience; I haven't paid full price for a combiner yet, nor do I ever intend to.

Plus by accessories, do you mean 3p upgrades like hands/feet? If so, that's kinda unfair, 'cuz they're selling them/people are buying them for the TT releases...

[william-james88]

I won't argue with amiami they're great, but I live in America, so things are a tiny bit different price wise, but I think that they are more exception than rule, and should be referenced as such.

Amiami is not the exception, they (and the other japan retailers) are the actual rule for the price. Do not let anyone else fool you into thinking otherwise, the retail price of Takara releases are the SAME as Hasbro. This has been debunked to death. Check out these retail prices (this is in retail, not online):


8.82$ US


16.96$ US


30.54 $US

So that means that the only sites which actually let you buy at the actual retail price in Japan (which by definition IS the rule) are the local Japan sites, because they have their own local market to compete with. Think about it, when discussing the rule for Hasbro prices, are you looking at how much it costs in store here in north america, or how much someone in Japan is paying for a Hasbro product they cant get (like Rook)? You will also notice that Amiami, HLJ and AnimeExport never stop giving a discount. The discount is ever present, because that is the retail price in Japan. The premium you might pay is only due to extra cost but we cant confuse it with the actual price of the toys. What I mean to say is that you are free to say that it sucks that we have to pay extra to get them over in the US (it really does suck!), but saying that Takara is charging a preimium for sub par paint jobs is not true. They charge the same amount. The paint job for the stunticons is still really lame though

[Hellscream9999]

I won't argue with amiami they're great, but I live in America, so things are a tiny bit different price wise, but I think that they are more exception than rule, and should be referenced as such.

Amiami is not the exception, they (and the other japan retailers) are the actual rule for the price. Do not let anyone else fool you into thinking otherwise, the retail price of Takara releases are the SAME as Hasbro. This has been debunked to death. Check out these retail prices (this is in retail, not online):

So that means that the only sites which actually let you buy at the actual retail price in Japan (which by definition IS the rule) are the local Japan sites, because they have their own local market to compete with. Think about it, when discussing the rule for Hasbro prices, are you looking at how much it costs in store here in north america, or how much someone in Japan is paying for a Hasbro product they cant get (like Rook)? You will also notice that Amiami, HLJ and AnimeExport never stop giving a discount. The discount is ever present, because that is the retail price in Japan. The premium you might pay is only due to extra cost but we cant confuse it with the actual price of the toys. What I mean to say is that you are free to say that it sucks that we have to pay extra to get them over in the US (it really does suck!), but saying that Takara is charging a preimium for sub par paint jobs is not true. They charge the same amount. The paint job for the stunticons is still really lame though

Alright, I really don't keep up with the foreign sites since hts is pretty convenient for me; everyone here seems to pimp amiami so much, and no other japanese site (seemingly), and from the way people talked about it, that it was some special secret. So I guess the ~$40 difference to that and bbts and such is for fees and profits?

I only ask, as I legitimately am out of this loop (but for an equivalent price, you are still getting gypped by TT )