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[Sabrblade]

..and immobilizer guns doing what immobilizer guns do; hologram-guns doing what hologram-guns do..

The guns that they use for their special abilities become Lynxmaster's hands and feet. Which is where the special rays are shown to come from. So it's the same thing to me.. Lynxmaster using Ratchet's repair gun and Bruticus using Vortex's blades.

But the Immobilizer, Force Fields, Holograms, and Healing are all supernatural magic abilities that no real world weapons can actually do. Rotor blades and cannons are ordinary technology common to the natural world. If Vortex's rotor could generation a giant energy shield via spinning, that would be a magic power. But his rotor is instead an ordinary rotor. What kinds of unique magic powers can any of the Combaticons do and that Bruticus can, in turn, use as well?

Ah, but they aren't "really" magical or supernatural, in the contex of the fiction these special-abilities are technology, derived from the components that they carry on them.

Just as Onslaught's guns still work in Bruticus form, Wheeljack's gun still work in Lynxmaster mode.

To Cybertronians, they're tech, but to us, they're magic. Those abilities are meant to impress us, to make the characters who use them more special and appealing. Bruticus spinning a rotor or shooting a cannon is no more impressive than Springer spinning his own rotor or anyone with a cannon shooting their cannon. But no one else can make holograms but Hound. No one else can immobilize but Wheeljack. No one else can insta-heal but Ratchet. These abilities are uncommon and extraordinary. Rotors and cannons are ubiquitous and ordinary.

Again, if Vortex's rotor had the unique ability of spinning to generate an energy shield, or if is spun to shoot lightning bolts, or spun to create tornadoes, THAT would count as a superpower since no ordinary rotor can do that. But spinning his rotor just to spin it for general melee purposes is not special. Nor is shooting a pair of normal cannons.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Magic is simply science we do not understand yet.

They understand though

[Cyberpath]

To Cybertronians, they're tech, but to us, they're magic. Those abilities are meant to impress us, to make the characters who use them more special and appealing. Bruticus spinning a rotor or shooting a cannon is no more impressive than Springer spinning his own rotor or anyone with a cannon shooting their cannon. But no one else can make holograms but Hound. No one else can immobilize but Wheeljack. No one else can insta-heal but Ratchet. These abilities are uncommon and extraordinary. Rotors and cannons are ubiquitous and ordinary.

Again, if Vortex's rotor had the unique ability of spinning to generate an energy shield, or if is spun to shoot lightning bolts, or spun to create tornadoes, THAT would count as a superpower since no ordinary rotor can do that. But spinning his rotor just to spin it for general melee purposes is not special. Nor is shooting a pair of normal cannons.

Tell that to Shockwave and his sentinels. ;)

[Sabrblade]

To Cybertronians, they're tech, but to us, they're magic. Those abilities are meant to impress us, to make the characters who use them more special and appealing. Bruticus spinning a rotor or shooting a cannon is no more impressive than Springer spinning his own rotor or anyone with a cannon shooting their cannon. But no one else can make holograms but Hound. No one else can immobilize but Wheeljack. No one else can insta-heal but Ratchet. These abilities are uncommon and extraordinary. Rotors and cannons are ubiquitous and ordinary.

Again, if Vortex's rotor had the unique ability of spinning to generate an energy shield, or if is spun to shoot lightning bolts, or spun to create tornadoes, THAT would count as a superpower since no ordinary rotor can do that. But spinning his rotor just to spin it for general melee purposes is not special. Nor is shooting a pair of normal cannons.

Tell that to Shockwave and his sentinels.

We aren't Shockwave and his Sentinels (who were never impressive anyway).

Besides, Defensor can do the exact same thing with his own rotor. That alone negates anything special about Bruticus's rotor.

Not to mention there's Baldigus, who can do everything (and more) that Bruticus can.

[william-james88]

To Cybertronians, they're tech, but to us, they're magic. Those abilities are meant to impress us, to make the characters who use them more special and appealing. Bruticus spinning a rotor or shooting a cannon is no more impressive than Springer spinning his own rotor or anyone with a cannon shooting their cannon. But no one else can make holograms but Hound. No one else can immobilize but Wheeljack. No one else can insta-heal but Ratchet. These abilities are uncommon and extraordinary. Rotors and cannons are ubiquitous and ordinary.

Again, if Vortex's rotor had the unique ability of spinning to generate an energy shield, or if is spun to shoot lightning bolts, or spun to create tornadoes, THAT would count as a superpower since no ordinary rotor can do that. But spinning his rotor just to spin it for general melee purposes is not special. Nor is shooting a pair of normal cannons.

Tell that to Shockwave and his sentinels.

We aren't Shockwave and his Sentinels (who were never impressive anyway).

Besides, Defensor can do the exact same thing with his own rotor. That alone negates anything special about Bruticus's rotor.

But it is special, it has 4 blades. While you may think that isnt all that impressive, it is special enough that a lot of people decided to get UW Bruticus.

And yes, that post was in jest.

[Cyberpath]

To Cybertronians, they're tech, but to us, they're magic. Those abilities are meant to impress us, to make the characters who use them more special and appealing. Bruticus spinning a rotor or shooting a cannon is no more impressive than Springer spinning his own rotor or anyone with a cannon shooting their cannon. But no one else can make holograms but Hound. No one else can immobilize but Wheeljack. No one else can insta-heal but Ratchet. These abilities are uncommon and extraordinary. Rotors and cannons are ubiquitous and ordinary.

Again, if Vortex's rotor had the unique ability of spinning to generate an energy shield, or if is spun to shoot lightning bolts, or spun to create tornadoes, THAT would count as a superpower since no ordinary rotor can do that. But spinning his rotor just to spin it for general melee purposes is not special. Nor is shooting a pair of normal cannons.

Tell that to Shockwave and his sentinels.

We aren't Shockwave and his Sentinels (who were never impressive anyway).

Besides, Defensor can do the exact same thing with his own rotor. That alone negates anything special about Bruticus's rotor.

The point is that what's "special" or not is your opinion. I remember the first time I watched this episode at a friend's house (he had at least three episodes I didn't.) And I was really impressed with Bruticus' tricks (thinking woha, he can do that in combined mode??) far more than with holograms. And I still find it pretty clever now.

As far as I'm concerned it's the same scenario. Motormaster's ionizer sword, too. Soundwave even referred to it as one of Menasor's "special powers."

[Sabrblade]

To Cybertronians, they're tech, but to us, they're magic. Those abilities are meant to impress us, to make the characters who use them more special and appealing. Bruticus spinning a rotor or shooting a cannon is no more impressive than Springer spinning his own rotor or anyone with a cannon shooting their cannon. But no one else can make holograms but Hound. No one else can immobilize but Wheeljack. No one else can insta-heal but Ratchet. These abilities are uncommon and extraordinary. Rotors and cannons are ubiquitous and ordinary.

Again, if Vortex's rotor had the unique ability of spinning to generate an energy shield, or if is spun to shoot lightning bolts, or spun to create tornadoes, THAT would count as a superpower since no ordinary rotor can do that. But spinning his rotor just to spin it for general melee purposes is not special. Nor is shooting a pair of normal cannons.

Tell that to Shockwave and his sentinels.

We aren't Shockwave and his Sentinels (who were never impressive anyway).

Besides, Defensor can do the exact same thing with his own rotor. That alone negates anything special about Bruticus's rotor.

The point is that what's "special" or not is your opinion. I remember the first time I watched this episode at a friend's house (he had at least three episodes I didn't.) And I was really impressed with Bruticus' tricks (thinking woha, he can do that in combined mode??) far more than with holograms. And I still find it pretty clever now.

As far as I'm concerned it's the same scenario. Motormaster's ionizer sword, too. Soundwave even referred to it as one of Menasor's "special powers."

But the entire original point of this discussion was how Lynxmaster gets use of all the extraordinary superpowers of his components. Then you brought up Bruticus's use of Vortex's rotor and Onslaught's cannons as a comparison, when literally anyone with a rotor or a cannon can do that too. Baldigus alone can literally do everything that Bruticus can do and even more.

[o.supreme]

I like the Lynxmaster name better than Lynx King. It just rolls off of the tongue better.

agreed, plus, every time I see or hear the name "LynxMaster" the BotsMaster cartoon theme song starts playing in my head. I never really liked the cartoon, but the theme song is catchy

https://youtu.be/LLKYOSiW7U4

[Cyberpath]

But the entire original point of this discussion was how Lynxmaster gets use of all the extraordinary superpowers of his components. Then you brought up Bruticus's use of Vortex's rotor and Onslaught's cannons as a comparison, when literally anyone with a rotor or a cannon can do that too. Baldigus alone can literally do everything that Bruticus can do and even more.

And if UW-Superion switched hands and feet with Lynxmaster he could do it, too.

[william-james88]

Hey wait a sec, isnt all this null and void since Optimus' team already did all this use of powers linked to combining thing before anyone else. The whole idea of their Masquerad combiner was that everyone used their powers to give the illusion that they were Motormaster.

Plus isnt the whole idea of Victorion that it can change its power set depending on which bots are used for certain limbs?

[Cyberpath]

Hey wait a sec, isnt all this null and void since Optimus' team already did all this use of powers linked to combining thing before anyone else. The whole idea of their Masquerad combiner was that everyone used their powers to give the illusion that they were Motormaster.

I thought about it, too. But I knew someone would say that they weren't "really" a combiner.

[o.supreme]

And if UW-Superion switched hands and feet with Lynxmaster he could do it, too.

Not sure which side this is supporting...but just to clarify if SkyLynx had Aerialbot limbs...at that time LynxMaster could NOT produce holograms,self heal, or immobilize other transformers.


Also to WJ88's point-Yes that was what made Masquerade so cool. The specific abilites of each Autobot chosen made the illusion *nearly* flawless.

[william-james88]

Hey wait a sec, isnt all this null and void since Optimus' team already did all this use of powers linked to combining thing before anyone else. The whole idea of their Masquerad combiner was that everyone used their powers to give the illusion that they were Motormaster.

I thought about it, too. But I knew someone would say that they weren't "really" a combiner.

I dont mind taking the fall for you. Although as a guy who writes lists which aim to be factual at times, I must admit that writng the word "first" for anything TF related will only bring about a headache. You have no clue how hard it is to even reason out what counts as a triplechanger (you'd think it would be easy, but no).

[Sabrblade]

If what we saw in "Masquerade" had been a real combiner, then yes that would have been a combiner making use of its components' unique superpowers (Windcharger's magentism and Mirage's illusions). But as it was, it was just five guys using those two powers to hold themselves together and look like a combiner without actually being one.

[Kurona]

Hey wait a sec, isnt all this null and void since Optimus' team already did all this use of powers linked to combining thing before anyone else. The whole idea of their Masquerad combiner was that everyone used their powers to give the illusion that they were Motormaster.

I thought about it, too. But I knew someone would say that they weren't "really" a combiner.

I dont mind taking the fall for you. Although as a guy who writes lists which aim to be factual at times, I must admit that writng the word "first" for anything TF related will only bring about a headache. You have no clue how hard it is to even reason out what counts as a triplechanger (you'd think it would be easy, but no).

"Attack Mode"

[Sowndwave76]

Just caught up with some of this news/rumors...

As much as I like (okay, love) G1 stuff,
I am a bazillion times more interested in a Decepticon version of Victorian than I am LynxMasterKing.
Although I REALLY REALLY dislike the idea of two helicopter figures, even if the heads are different. Wish somehow one would get switched out for the UW Blast Off mold.
Would love to see medium gray, black, a couple variations of purple (dark and medium, maybe red-violet), and small areas of lighter gray for the color scheme.

In this case (although still hypothetical) for me, it doesn't matter one bit who the characters involved are or their names... If they look badass, I may bite. Especially since I'm not sold on anything from TR (except maybe TT Blurr), and UW Abominus and Piranacon will be released in the year 20??.

[RiddlerJ]

I don't like that they stepped away from the naming conventions of the combiners (less an issue for the Japanese versions since they stepped away long ago), but names like Ultra Prime and Sky Reign don't work for me. Sky Reign is a cool name, but it should be something like Reignitor or something.

Magnificus.

[Sabrblade]

I don't like that they stepped away from the naming conventions of the combiners (less an issue for the Japanese versions since they stepped away long ago), but names like Ultra Prime and Sky Reign don't work for me. Sky Reign is a cool name, but it should be something like Reignitor or something.

Magnificus.

A missed opportunity for both Sky Reign and Lynxmaster is that the former should have been named "Power Lynx" with the latter named "Super Lynx".

[Jelze Bunnycat]

O Primus what have I done...

I don't like that they stepped away from the naming conventions of the combiners (less an issue for the Japanese versions since they stepped away long ago), but names like Ultra Prime and Sky Reign don't work for me. Sky Reign is a cool name, but it should be something like Reignitor or something.

Magnificus.

What's pretty interesting is that TakaraTomy is breaking a trend with this release. Instead of using the US name with the Japanese name in kana, like ガーディアン Gādian (Guardian) vs. Defensor, or コンピューティコン Konpyūtikon (Computicon) vs. Computron, Lynx Master does not use "Sky Reign" as the English name. Instead it's the Japanese name. Vain much?

[Sabrblade]

O Primus what have I done...

I don't like that they stepped away from the naming conventions of the combiners (less an issue for the Japanese versions since they stepped away long ago), but names like Ultra Prime and Sky Reign don't work for me. Sky Reign is a cool name, but it should be something like Reignitor or something.

Magnificus.

What's pretty interesting is that TakaraTomy is breaking a trend with this release. Instead of using the US name with the Japanese name in kana, like ガーディアン Gādian (Guardian) vs. Defensor, or コンピューティコン Konpyūtikon (Computicon) vs. Computron, Lynx Master does not use "Sky Reign" as the English name. Instead it's the Japanese name. Vain much?

Convoy Grand Prime and Grand Galvatron didn't use "Ultra Prime"/"Optimus Maximus" or "Galvatronus" either. I'm guessing they consider the Japanese counterparts of these new combiners to be different from their Western counterparts, even if some of the differences are less than others.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

O Primus what have I done...

I don't like that they stepped away from the naming conventions of the combiners (less an issue for the Japanese versions since they stepped away long ago), but names like Ultra Prime and Sky Reign don't work for me. Sky Reign is a cool name, but it should be something like Reignitor or something.

Magnificus.

What's pretty interesting is that TakaraTomy is breaking a trend with this release. Instead of using the US name with the Japanese name in kana, like ガーディアン Gādian (Guardian) vs. Defensor, or コンピューティコン Konpyūtikon (Computicon) vs. Computron, Lynx Master does not use "Sky Reign" as the English name. Instead it's the Japanese name. Vain much?

Convoy Grand Prime and Grand Galvatron didn't use "Ultra Prime"/"Optimus Maximus" or "Galvatronus" either. I'm guessing they consider the Japanese counterparts of these new combiners to be different from their Western counterparts, even if some of the differences are less than others.

What they do have in common is that they're all "new", meaning they have no vintage G1 Combiner counterpart to speak of.

[mooncake623]

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[Targetmaster Kup]

Interesting. Takara used the chest for Hasbro Defensor/Guardian for their coin sleeve, and now Hasbro is using the chest for Takara-Tomy's Bruticus for the Hasbro Asian Release coin sleeve.

See the Defensor/Guardian coin & sleeve for sale here: They are all available at Amazon as of today too (NOT A PRE-ORDER): See http://amzn.to/29pVdCu

[william-james88]

Interesting. Takara used the chest for Hasbro Defensor/Guardian for their coin sleeve, and now Hasbro is using the chest for Takara-Tomy's Bruticus for the Hasbro Asian Release coin sleeve.

See the Defensor/Guardian coin & sleeve for sale here: They are all available at Amazon as of today too (NOT A PRE-ORDER): See http://amzn.to/29pVdCu

Your link is wrong. Also Takara doesnt do coin sleeves, its always Hasbro Asia.

[Sarahthecutevixen]

Maybe tfsource's comes with the coin? would explain why it's delayed would it not?
This has awoken me from my slumber,