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skywarp-2 wrote:

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Tekka wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

I just noticed both Starscream and Skywarp have a new style of body trim whereas Thundercracker is the only one to retain his G1 stripes. How odd.

It's not odd. They are created for different series.

Starscream and Skywarp (very nice) were created for Classics, with the usual improvements, plus a more creative paintjob. The basic goal is to mimic the cartoon closely, plus a measure of realism.

Thundercracker (not so nice) was created for BotCon Exclusives. It was made to look like G1.

honestly the Botcon Thundercracker looks the best, IMO...

I agree.

Bonger wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

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Tekka wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

I just noticed both Starscream and Skywarp have a new style of body trim whereas Thundercracker is the only one to retain his G1 stripes. How odd.

It's not odd. They are created for different series.

Starscream and Skywarp (very nice) were created for Classics, with the usual improvements, plus a more creative paintjob. The basic goal is to mimic the cartoon closely, plus a measure of realism.

Thundercracker (not so nice) was created for BotCon Exclusives. It was made to look like G1.

honestly the Botcon Thundercracker looks the best, IMO...

I agree.

In the absence of a true Classics Thundercracker, I would also agree.

The best Thundercracker so far.

But i do wish that a Classics Thundercraker be made possible with the usual Classics treatment. (Like SS and Skywarp paintings)

I still find it odd. It's clearly a box of classics molds, and takes the place of all the missing classics seekers, yet they are not considered classics? The logic escapes me.

A japanese Thundercracker may not be too odd a concept either, we did get a different version of the SCF lucky draw Skywarp and other exclusives, which are mega expensive. But I guess only time will tell.

So how long until we are shelling out for the Japan exclusive re-paints that we will not see here in the states?

More often than not, there's no logic. Hehe

here is the one big plus about Takara doing this... if they decide to release all the seekers, coneheads included... and in G-1 style but slightly modified from the Botcon stuff...


They will be released in Mass and 300 times cheaper then the damned Botcon exclusives!!!!

skywarp-2 wrote:here is the one big plus about Takara doing this... if they decide to release all the seekers, coneheads included... and in G-1 style but slightly modified from the Botcon stuff...


They will be released in Mass and 300 times cheaper then the damned Botcon exclusives!!!!

Cheers to that!

I'd like to say that 'I hate to burst your bubble...'

but that's not the case.

Sing the song of the BotCon rereleases girls!

"Not gonna happen, No, Not gonna happen!"


Really guys.

Hasbro & FunPub said flat out, these won't be anywhere other than the 07' release.

Don't go getting a bunch of false hopes. It's not like this horse hasn't been beaten to death.

Beaten some more.

Burried.

dug up and sodomized

then beaten some more.

I have no doubt the horse will continue to be beaten for some time to come as well. Speculating on what we would like is all part of being a fan after all.

Seibertronians...

...They beat horses, don't they?

Tekka wrote:I have no doubt the horse will continue to be beaten for some time to come as well. Speculating on what we would like is all part of being a fan after all.

It's our right!!!

where was that GIF file showing a man beating a fallen horse again?

:MAX:

I'm not an expert on the legal ramblings involved but my interpetation on the Seekers situation is that the Hasbro/FunPub deal should only limit Hasbro releasing those characters for sale within the US. Tomy should still be free to do as they please with the moulds and Hasbro could argue a case for putting them out as European exclusives since that wouldn't infringe on FunPub's target US market and Hasbro Europe is to some extent a seperate corporate entity, although the latter of these points is arguable and is anyway more unlikely than Galvatron adopting a kitten and naming it Fluffy.

Well, I wouldn't hold my breath on the botcon exclusives being released inJapan.

However, I would not be shocked to hear ofa limited run Sunstorm or ghost SS.

Give it up guys ... convention exclusives are convention exclusives. The BotCon Seekers won't be released in Japan unless they're released as a convention exclusive. Japanese convention exclusives have never been released at retail here in the States and US convention exclusives have never been released at retail in Japan. It would be bad business to start that practice.

Bonger wrote:Well, I wouldn't hold my breath on the botcon exclusives being released inJapan.

However, I would not be shocked to hear ofa limited run Sunstorm or ghost SS.

Now that would be really awesome. I was really hoping to get a Sunstorm figure out of all of this.

Counterpunch wrote:I'd like to say that 'I hate to burst your bubble...'

but that's not the case.

Sing the song of the BotCon rereleases girls!

"Not gonna happen, No, Not gonna happen!"


Really guys.

Hasbro & FunPub said flat out, these won't be anywhere other than the 07' release.

Don't go getting a bunch of false hopes. It's not like this horse hasn't been beaten to death.

Beaten some more.

Burried.

dug up and sodomized

then beaten some more.

Ahhh sweet memories....


You know what's great about this discussion... those who did purchase the funpub exclusives would be very pissed and kicking themselves in their own arse for paying out the wazzoo for buying those exclusives, especially if takara tomy decides to do the Thundercracker and other Botcon repainted exclusives.. do you not feel their anger already, and we don't even know if it's possible yet, we're just hoping it comes true...I feel that Takara Tomy has a right to produce likenesses of the seekers that they also own the rights to and if they have bought the molds from Hasbro, they are in their right in their own country to produce them...

fear the possibility of that!!! It may be wishful thinking for us to expect takara Tomy to make them, but it's also fearful and hatred thinking for those who oppose it simply because their precious, "expensive" exclusives, would be reduced in value due to the ability to import a Possible Takara Tomy Version... But thats something that should have been considered for the Botcon releases especially because they went and decided to do characters that should have had a wide release like Thundercracker...

If thundercracker ends up being released by Takara Tomy, for 20.00 I'll be very happy..

and to those who bought the funpub at an expensive price.....

HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHHhhhahahaha hahahahahhaahahhah


yes.......... thats it................hate me.....

HAHAAHHahahahaahahhah

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Stormrider wrote:

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Bonger wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:It's about time the Japanese gets a taste of these beautiful toys.

They've been soaking in Reissues and Encores for far too long.

Aww poor them,soaking in enroes, reissues, ehoobys, MPs.....

But yes, lol, except that any collector there has already probably imported these from the US.

Now, they can get them in local shops. In large quantities!

Ohayo gazaimazu!

This is great news, but ouch these prices are going to hurt. These inflated prices seem to be in line with the prices that Takara charged for the movie toys. The movie toys were made in Canada and imported into Japan. I'm guessing the same thing will happen with the Classics.

Made in Canada? Darn! How come US Movie toys are made in China?

I got one Japanese Movie toy. How come he's made in China too?

As well as all my original Takara Binaltechs. All made in China.

I haven't had a TF toy yet that is NOT made in China.

Ooops... where is my brain today. You are right. The Hasbro toys are made in China. What I meant to say is that the Movie toy packages that we received in Japan are labeled "Hasbro Canada" and not Takara.

skywarp-2 wrote:Ahhh sweet memories....


You know what's great about this discussion... those who did purchase the funpub exclusives would be very pissed and kicking themselves in their own arse for paying out the wazzoo for buying those exclusives, especially if takara tomy decides to do the Thundercracker and other Botcon repainted exclusives.. do you not feel their anger already, and we don't even know if it's possible yet, we're just hoping it comes true...I feel that Takara Tomy has a right to produce likenesses of the seekers that they also own the rights to and if they have bought the molds from Hasbro, they are in their right in their own country to produce them...

fear the possibility of that!!! It may be wishful thinking for us to expect takara Tomy to make them, but it's also fearful and hatred thinking for those who oppose it simply because their precious, "expensive" exclusives, would be reduced in value due to the ability to import a Possible Takara Tomy Version... But thats something that should have been considered for the Botcon releases especially because they went and decided to do characters that should have had a wide release like Thundercracker...

If thundercracker ends up being released by Takara Tomy, for 20.00 I'll be very happy..

and to those who bought the funpub at an expensive price.....

HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHHhhhahahaha hahahahahhaahahhah


yes.......... thats it................hate me.....

HAHAAHHahahahaahahhah

Just last week you were talking about how Classics weren't worth while...

And as for 'the hate', please, allow me.

Thrust's wings are the exclusive property of FunPub. He will never eeeeeeeeeeever see the light of retail.

Also, I paid $280 for the toys. At the very worst, that's $56 per toy. I got to go to an incredible convention, scored the finest exclusives ever, and met the best bunch of Transformers fans ever. The truth is, I paid nothing for the toys. The $280 alone was worth every bit of fun, comradery, food, meeting Peter Cullen, meeting David Kaye, and rocking out with Stan Bush.

Free classics seekers was just a bonus.

Team Hate, signing off.

Another thing whay should the Japanese, who apparently are suffering from an aging toy market, have to suffer the same mistakes that were forced apon us here in the US by having those characters like Dirge, Thrust, thundercracker, ect..being relegated to an exclusive.. shouldn't they have the right to purchase those same characters in mass production runs? It seems silly to hope that Takara Tomy has no right to produce them when there are probably fans over there who would like to also purchase them for their collection...


and for us who missed out on the botcons exclusives, that means we can import them and share in Japan's glory as well...

I would love for them to release all 3 seekers and then maybe a sunstorm as well...

and all 3 coneheads...

why shouldn't they, so the Botcon supporters who live here in America can be happy and satisfied?? It doesn't make business sense, especially considering the fact that those european and UK collectors would also be importing them as well...

All things considered, I'll be interested to see if they actually attempt something like this.

Even if they do, all joking aside, Thrust is out entirely. There's no way unless Takara molds their own wings. That's just not happening though.

Thundercracker and Dirge could possibly be done...maybe. I just really doubt it. They were really certain at the Con that no further releases of these guys would happen.

Counterpunch wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:Ahhh sweet memories....


You know what's great about this discussion... those who did purchase the funpub exclusives would be very pissed and kicking themselves in their own arse for paying out the wazzoo for buying those exclusives, especially if takara tomy decides to do the Thundercracker and other Botcon repainted exclusives.. do you not feel their anger already, and we don't even know if it's possible yet, we're just hoping it comes true...I feel that Takara Tomy has a right to produce likenesses of the seekers that they also own the rights to and if they have bought the molds from Hasbro, they are in their right in their own country to produce them...

fear the possibility of that!!! It may be wishful thinking for us to expect takara Tomy to make them, but it's also fearful and hatred thinking for those who oppose it simply because their precious, "expensive" exclusives, would be reduced in value due to the ability to import a Possible Takara Tomy Version... But thats something that should have been considered for the Botcon releases especially because they went and decided to do characters that should have had a wide release like Thundercracker...

If thundercracker ends up being released by Takara Tomy, for 20.00 I'll be very happy..

and to those who bought the funpub at an expensive price.....

HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHHhhhahahaha hahahahahhaahahhah


yes.......... thats it................hate me.....

HAHAAHHahahahaahahhah

Just last week you were talking about how Classics weren't worth while...

And as for 'the hate', please, allow me.

Thrust's wings are the exclusive property of FunPub. He will never eeeeeeeeeeever see the light of retail.

Also, I paid $280 for the toys. At the very worst, that's $56 per toy. I got to go to an incredible convention, scored the finest exclusives ever, and met the best bunch of Transformers fans ever. The truth is, I paid nothing for the toys. The $280 alone was worth every bit of fun, comradery, food, meeting Peter Cullen, meeting David Kaye, and rocking out with Stan Bush.

Free classics seekers was just a bonus.

Team Hate, signing off.

Idealism, comeradery, and meeting the best of the bunch aside, money talks and that is all that a Toy company is gonna consider in this instance.. I hope they make those toys..

for us who never got them this is our chance to really get what we missed out on, and for those in Japan who paid enormous prices to import the US classics.. your gonna be pissed too..

but for those who never got them, its really a nice thing that we can see going on here..

I never said I hated classics, I said I passed them up, because I could never truly collect them with half of them ending up a Botcon exclusive, and I didn't see paying out the arse for them when they are just toys, and not like a masterpiece.. simply because of bad decisions to produce them through botcon and funpub..

Counterpunch wrote:All things considered, I'll be interested to see if they actually attempt something like this.

Even if they do, all joking aside, Thrust is out entirely. There's no way unless Takara molds their own wings. That's just not happening though.

Thundercracker and Dirge could possibly be done...maybe. I just really doubt it. They were really certain at the Con that no further releases of these guys would happen.

in the US, did they ever say outside of the US??

on a side note, it just doesn't seem the same to come here and not have a nice healthy debate between Counterpunch and I, I do so love the banter between us, and though you may tire of it, I always look at a discussion and debate between us as 2 old friends meeting in the park to play chess...

Hats off to you old friend...

Seibertron wrote:Give it up guys ... convention exclusives are convention exclusives. The BotCon Seekers won't be released in Japan unless they're released as a convention exclusive. Japanese convention exclusives have never been released at retail here in the States and US convention exclusives have never been released at retail in Japan. It would be bad business to start that practice.

True in as far as it goes boss, but convention exclusives in the past have pretty much been obscure characters, new characters or 'what if' versions. The Seekers using the Classics moulds don't fit into any of those categories. While I realise that it wasn't a convention exclusive the example of the red Excillion was sited a few pages back. The original GF version was limited to something like 50 if I'm remembering that right and Hasbro managed to put out a similar version at retail. I just don't see how the Hasbro/FunPub deal can limit what Tomy can produce in the way of toys intended for the Asian market.

Oh, and Skywarp-2, you're generalising again. I have the Botcon set, I'm in the UK so I payed extra for the shipping and didn't get a convention out of it and I would still support a Tomy release for the benefit of those who can't stump up the sort of money that the Botcon versions are selling for.

On the issue of Thrust's wings the mould is in all liklihood owned by Tomy since FunPub source their toys directly from them and sell them under license from Hasbro in the US. The moulds used for short run exclusives aren't designed to stand up to production run quantities however, so the mould couldn't be used for a potential Tomy release on those grounds. If it hasn't been destroyed it's probably only got another thousand or so uses before the casting quality degrades below acceptable standards. So if Thrust were to happen new wings would be needed.

waaaaghlord wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Give it up guys ... convention exclusives are convention exclusives. The BotCon Seekers won't be released in Japan unless they're released as a convention exclusive. Japanese convention exclusives have never been released at retail here in the States and US convention exclusives have never been released at retail in Japan. It would be bad business to start that practice.

True in as far as it goes boss, but convention exclusives in the past have pretty much been obscure characters, new characters or 'what if' versions. The Seekers using the Classics moulds don't fit into any of those categories. While I realise that it wasn't a convention exclusive the example of the red Excillion was sited a few pages back. The original GF version was limited to something like 50 if I'm remembering that right and Hasbro managed to put out a similar version at retail. I just don't see how the Hasbro/FunPub deal can limit what Tomy can produce in the way of toys intended for the Asian market.

Oh, and Skywarp-2, you're generalising again. I have the Botcon set, I'm in the UK so I payed extra for the shipping and didn't get a convention out of it and I would still support a Tomy release for the benefit of those who can't stump up the sort of money that the Botcon versions are selling for.

On the issue of Thrust's wings the mould is in all liklihood owned by Tomy since FunPub source their toys directly from them and sell them under license from Hasbro in the US. The moulds used for short run exclusives aren't designed to stand up to production run quantities however, so the mould couldn't be used for a potential Tomy release on those grounds. If it hasn't been destroyed it's probably only got another thousand or so uses before the casting quality degrades below acceptable standards. So if Thrust were to happen new wings would be needed.

Sorry for the generalization, i was trying to make my point, but got carried away...

I can see Takara doing a new wing mold...it's not beyond their capabilities, escpecially fi they are going all out to bring this concept to retail in mass and give collectors something to want...

If they get that then i hope the Japanese collectors realize how special that toy really is...and how lucky they really are, considering we were passed over by Hasbro for this as an exclusive...