Asphalt wrote:I think it looks better in Blue and white but it is still not a magnus to me.
Greyryder wrote:I saw the toy, before I saw Magnus in the cartoon or comic. Honestly, always thought it was kind of lazy the show and comics to not recognize his normal mode. Magnus has always been a white Prime, to me. He just came with different accessories.
Hobbyist Prime wrote:The fact of the matter is that the white robot mode is directly from the japanese diaclone line and they only used it to save costs on new molds etc...
so when they brought it over to the states they just changed the packaging (like alot of the other TF's which is why many of them came with drivers in the first run). so as far as the American UM is concerned there is only the combined mode as opposed to the Japanese version which was just another robot in an army of diaclone UM's. (yes before the US gave them backgrounds there was a fleet of UM's!)
Tramp wrote:Actually, none of the American TFs came with drivers, unless you can prove otherwise. I was almost 14 when Transformers came out and had quite a few. I remember quite well what they came with. The only ones with drivers were the Headmasters, and thse didn?t come out until ?88. While the cartoon only showed the combined mode, that does not mean that Ultra Magnus was not identical to Prime underneath. The first time we ever see Magnus outside of his armor in any story was in the Dreamwave comics after his armor is destroyed. The armor does help to differentiate him from Prime, but the armor is still just that? armor. He simply prefers to keep it on when in robot mode. Regardless of whether there were a fleet of UMs in the Diaclone series, that does not chage the fact that Ultra Magnus?the Transformer, not the Diaclone?is a white Prime with a trailer that becomes battle armor. That was obviously Hasbro?s intent even if Marvel didn?t run with it like they could have. Otherwise, given that Hasbro had Takara had already been coming up with new designs specifically for the TF line, they would have given him a completely new design totally unrelated to Diaclone. Sure, they could save money by using old Diaclone molds, but that can?t be the only reason. Remember, while the white cab/robot came from the Diaclone line, so too did the trailer. Why do you think Dreamwave, Hasbro and Takara have all been showing Magnus without his armor? Because, that is what Ultra Magnus really looks like under his armor. We just hardly ever get to see it.
gawd6sic6 wrote:i know this debate has been tried in numerous threads. and has been told to be dropped in every single one.... how about we do that again..
and personally i think the toy would me more FUN if it did have the armor. i think that is all it should be.. its still a damn TOY.. even though we are collectors its a toy. lets leave it at that.
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