The Energon Pub

Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:06 am

Samsonator wrote:Also look at Optimal Optimus, both in packaging and figure size. Compare him then to Tigerhawk, and TM2 Megatron (both Ultras from the same line at around the same time). Physically he's bigger, he has electronics, and his packaging was much bigger, too.

As I've said before, figures do tend to varry a bit. The Mega class BM Megatron is fairly small compaired to other Megas from the same series. Hell even Rattrap looks bigger than he does.

Optimus does have a little bit more size than Megatron and I don't have Tigerhawk but I do have Depthcharge and BM Nightscream who are allso Ultra Class figures. Nightscream is actully the smallest of them if you don't count his wing span. On the other hand all of them in flight mode I think Nightscream is the biggest with his wing span. Pluse the originals of Primal and BW Megs (and I do mean show originals not Batimus and Megaligator) were in the same class and are much smaller than any of the TM Ultras.

As for the Packageing, no, they both came in the same packageing. The only thing you really got right was the electronics which is just a little light for his cannon laser but that really has nothing to do with it. I mean Energon Omega Supreme doesn't have any electronics yet Optimus Prime who is a smaller figure does. There were allso a few Mega class figures from Armada with electronics while others didn't have any. Allthough it seems recently it's been fairly standard for leader class figures to have electronics a few years ago there never seemed to be any rules regulating it for spicific classes.

You can whine all you want about how you don't want to believe the wiki (which, I might add, is heavily researched by a legion of TF fans)

Did you really just say that? It is fairly accurate but it is still a wiki which can be edited by anyone to say anything.

don't believe certain size classes existed.

Because they didn't. Beast Wars and Machines only had Basic, Deluxe, Mega, Ultra, and Supreme, there was no Super class. If there was a super I'd probly own one or at least have seen one. Maybe you should research a little more than just the wiki.

And BTW I own nearly every Beast Machines toy ever made with the only excepts being Supremes which I couldn't afford and a few of the figures that ended up being sold as part of the RID toy line. (Like Megatron Megabolt who is the only Beast Machines toy I got in RID packageing.)

You can whine about the Mini-Cons that you swear straight up and down were repainted as Classics Legends despite having no proof to back up your claims, you can do whatever you want, but the next time you start a thread asking for help with something, and then don't want to accept the help given, do us all a favour and keep it to yourself. Point made. I am hereby done with you. Good day, sir.

Considering they've been on Hasbro's web site for ages I shouldn't have to link you to them. I mean really, you call yourselfs Transformers fans and you can't even be bothered to look at the offical web site?

Oh and BTW I just looked myself and I was wrong about one thing. Thoughs single packaged mini-cons aren't knock offs after all, I've just never seen them in stores. Hasbro has a couple listed on their site and guess what... they're the same price and in the same size packageing as the movie legends figures. Guess that means they really are the same class.

Here's legends Jetfire just for comparison.

http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_U ... src=endeca

And here is a repaint of an Armada Mini-con in the same packageing size for the same price.

http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_U ... src=endeca

And here's one of the first Legends figures that came out, originally sold with other figures, and one of the only new molds that wasn't just repainted from Armada. However it still has a Mini-con port and insignia.

http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_U ... src=endeca

And BTW Even that Wiki page you linked me to had mentioned these guys and you still claimed they never exsisted. Check under the Universe which clearly is what these two are labled as. There is no "Mini-con" size class. They are Legends.

I can't really back track the Legends figures too far because of how offten Hasbro updates their site but I do belive Mini-cons have been the same class as Legends ever sence Legends of Cybertron was first introduced as a size class back in the Cybertron toy line.

Now that I've proved you wrong useing both the wiki and Hasbro's offical web site are you finally going to belive that Mini-cons are legends or do I have to find out if any of them are being sold on e-bay for you?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:08 am

Sorry, double posted, not sure how that happened.

News Credits: 609 · Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:20 am

Here's a list of facts.

1. Energon Omega Supreme does indeed have electronics. It's also about four times as massive (literally mass or weight if you prefer) than Energon Optimus Prime.
2. Even if BW Megatron is slightly smaller than other figures in the same class, he's still larger than the class below. Hasbro standardizes packaging for similar sized figures to save on cost (unlike TakaraTomy).
3. BM Nightscream is taller, wider, and heavier than Tigerhawk, Depthcharge, and BW Megs.
4. Energon Omega Supreme was in the Supreme price point and packaging. The box is the same size as Unicron, and along with the Omega Sentinel repaint, those were the only Supreme figures in Energon.
5.Suppressor is a repaint of Classics Minicon Firebot, originally a member of the Minicon Night Rescue Team.
6. Suppressor is a "Minicon Class" figure according to the packaging. The MSRP may be the same on Hasbro's site, but not in the real world. These single packed Minicons sell for precisely $4 at most "Discount" stores (like Big Lots and Family Dollar). In the US that is the ONLY place these are sold.
7. ROTF Legends Jetfire is a "Legends Class" figure. It's probably at least 3/4" taller, and noticably more heavy. Compare the photos of Suppressor or Brimstone on card to Jetfire. Jetfire literally fills the bubble, while there are gobs of space around both Minicons. Additionally, the bubble for Jetfire is much larger.
8. Brimstone is a repaint of Classics Minicon Nightscream, a member of the Clear Skies Minicon team. This is the first time he's appearing solo.

News Credits: 14 · Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:14 pm

Pricing does not establish class size.

Class size is used as a guide to establish price for release.

And even if 2 things are priced the same, it does not mean the belong to the same class size.

News Credits: 1452 · Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:03 pm

Wow, nice yelling match. Oh well, this is how all your threads always end up like anyways.

News Credits: 3 · Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:13 pm

Compare: Different sizes. Not an Ultra.

- Sam

Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:27 pm

Overcracker wrote:You do understand Prices vary right?

Pricing does not establish class size.

Have you been paying attention at all to this thread? I was the first one to point that out. You guys were the ones useing priceing as evidence to suport your case. Of course like allways around here, when you say it, it's right but when I say the exact same thing it becomes wrong.

The only reason I even pointed out the price on Hasbro's site is because the wiki page you linked me to earlier was labled by price range not by actual size scale. When I pointed that out before you bitched and complained about it so I decided to play along with your price as evidence just so you'd shut up about it but no that's not how it works. Anything I say is going to be wrong no matter how much evidence I have to prove it right.

Class size is used as a guide to establish price for release.

And even if 2 things are priced the same, it does not mean the belong to the same class size.

You people just love to contridict yourselfs don't you. Size class and price range are not related at all. Size class is just the approximate size of the toy itself. Priceing has to do with a varity of different things which size is only a small part of. Detail, quality, number of parts, and the amount of time put into the designing the toy in the first place are allso factored into the price. Not to mention weather or not a toy is packaged individually or in packs with other figures like several movie toys which are deluxe or voyager class figures being sold with other deluxe and voyager class figures. (You can allso pick up the same toys seperatly.)

Basically, Price does not determine the size class, size class is PART OF what determins the Price. Hence you are the ones who are wrong because you're going about the whole thing backwards.

News Credits: 5749 · Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:58 pm

Sorry

Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:23 pm

El Duque wrote:Well if you've got all the answers why did you even start the thread?

I don't have all the answers. I was asking for names of the size classes and insted what you gave me was price ranges which tells me nothing about the size of the toys.

And when it comes to Mini-con and legends you continue to claim are different classes based only on the price of single packaged Legends vs. Mini-con 3 packs and the fact that there is a slight change in size between a couple figures which is common for any TF in the same size range.

For crying out loud the packageing for the Mini-cons and Legends on Hasbros web site shows they're same class. Yes Jetfire does fill more of the Packageing but the same thing can be said of any true Armada Figure vs. Armada Predacon. Are you allso going to try and argue that Armada Predacon is not the same class size as Megatron, Jetfire, and Overload? There's more of a size and weight difference between them then there are Movie Legends and Mini-cons.

Hell I've got 3 Animated Voyagers sitting on my desk here that aren't the same size. Wreck-gar, Shockwave, and Blitzwing. And just for the hell of it, I'll toss Voyager Megatron in there from the same toy line and oh look at that. My Voyager class Megatron is actully right in between sizes with Wreck-Gar and Deluxe Optimus, oh wow, I wander what that could mean.

Oh right it means he's still a voyager because they're tipically packaged in vehicle mode and his vehicle mode would not fit in Deluxe packageing despite being a relitivly short figure.

Mini-cons and Legends have been proven to share the same packageing size, therefore they are the same size class. Good day to you sir.

Clearly this was a bad place to ask for help sence you apperently know less than I do. I was just looking for all the different names. Turns out you know the names but don't know how they compair. I know how they compair but know little about the names. So it seems you need more help than I do.

News Credits: 3 · Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:50 pm

Rial Vestro wrote:I don't have all the answers. I was asking for names of the size classes and insted what you gave me was price ranges which tells me nothing about the size of the toys.

the names of the size classes from series to series are listed on that page, stop looking at the price part of it and just look at the class names.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:31 am

I am not asking the subsequent question to be mean. Is Rial Vestro the same person that insisted ad nauseum that pictures of Devastator before TF2's release did not clearly show the color red on the robot's face? I am not trying to be a jerk by asking that. I just can't remember for sure.

News Credits: 14 · Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:38 am

O.k fine, lets put it this way then, and I'm trying to be helpful:

Most minicons are smaller than legends. There are a few that are closer to legends size, but overall most mincons are noticeably smaller.

I'll post some pictures of the legends I have with some minicons I have later.
But here is one I found online:

News Credits: 129 · Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:41 pm

PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I AM TYPING HERE AND NOW

Most everyone involved in this argument is deserving of some kind of warning on the matter. We (I) am not going to argue that point at all.

Instead of coming down on you all, I am allowing this to go back onto the forums for you to fix your own inflammatory comments. You have 24 hours to do so.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL THIS DISCUSSION HAD TO TURN INTO THIS EMBARRASSMENT.

Argue the facts and do not make this personal.

This topic has merit. Stop being jerks.

Fix it.

News Credits: 609 · Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:36 am

Counterpunch wrote:Fix it.

Edits made. Sorry to all involved.

News Credits: 1 · Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:19 am

Rial Vestro wrote:Figures like any of the G1 Cityformers from what I've seen are definatly too big to be considered Supremes which is the biggest size for modern toys. One of the reviews I saw, can't remember if it was Metroplex or Fortress Maximus but the guy was transforming him on camera and the toy just dwarfed this guy who was a full grown adult. I don't know how kids could have transformed that massive giant. I should try to find that again.

The line in bold letters implies that the toy was bigger then the adult.

And no offical TF figure is that big.

Fortress Max was the biggest of the G1 city-formers, maybe the biggest TF ever made, but hes only just under [or over] 2 feet tall.

G1 Metreoples, Trypticon,Scopenox....none of these were that big, at least not in height.They were roughly the same size as the large Movie Optimus and Megatron toys.

Rial Vestro wrote:Stores like Big Lots and "Family Dollar?" (I assume you ment Dollar Tree) have been known to sell knock offs. Especially if you saw them recently sence the only Transformers on the shelfs right now (at least in my area) are Animated and ROTF which don't have Mini-cons.

I'm sure he ment Family Dollar.

And yes, they are known for selling both KO's and official TF's.

Valandar wrote:G1 did not have size classes. The Deluxe Autobots (Whirl and Roadbuster) were not called that because of size but because they were "special" compared to the Autobot Cars because they were a mailaway product.

Sorry but your mis-informed.

G1 Whirl and Roadbuster were not mail away figures.