The Energon Pub

Tsutsukakushi wrote:That's just a limited store or site exclusive. has no bearing on mass release toys.

Where did you get this info? It's not in the news story nor in any of the comments that I read on the story.

Agamemnon wrote:Now, it's not like Hasbro has never given us duplicate sets of a character in the same line (RoTF Blugeon, if memory serves.) But this makes me wonder if we will actually see a Defensor combiner...

To be fair, the reason for Bludgeon's multiple forms was written into the fiction/character bios:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:[That's just a limited store or site exclusive. has no bearing on mass release toys.

Heavily guessing 2015 Combiner wars Wave 3 or 4 is Defensor. The reason why 2015 Superion got that rescue helicopter was to re-use it laster for 2015 Protectobot Blades. 2015 stunticon race car-bot will get recolored and retooled as 20015 Streetwise.

I saw no mention of a site/store exclusive in either of the news stories. Is that an unsubstantiated assumption, or do you have proof? If you do, I'd like to know which store these will be at.

There's a chance Defensor will be in the Combiner Wars, but I doubt it. Computron seems more likely given the existence of the multi-packs.

Rated X wrote:Why do you keep insisting hasbros combiners are going to cause 3rd parties a loss of sales ? Did you not read all the negative feedback on the front page articles about the helicoptor, wild rider, menasors head, the big hands, etc ? If anything, Hasbros combiners will drum up 3rd party sales for add on sets similar to crossfire and boosticus to fix all the silly looking crap. And since the 3rd parties are already on a roll with all these combiner characters, the inferior hasbro versions will be an afterthought. That is except for cheap people who would rather buy a goofy looking ages 5 and up toy to avoid paying "3rd party prices".

You have to make the distinction between add-on kits and full fledged figures. That said, I actually think the Hasbro combiners will eat into 3rd Party sales in the long run. Perhaps not initially, since most of folks itching for some of the more popular combiners already bought FP Intimidator and TFC Uranos. But if the second wave of Combiners Wars figures feature gestalts not yet done by 3rd Parties, I can see people choosing Hasbro over 3rd Party. There are so many 3rd Party companies doing so many things, that I think people will choose Hasbro, and then re-prioritize their spending to buy different 3rd Party figures. Or not. I don't think 3rd Parties will ever go away, but I do suspect the 3rd Party market might narrow a bit.

megatronus wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:Now, it's not like Hasbro has never given us duplicate sets of a character in the same line (RoTF Blugeon, if memory serves.) But this makes me wonder if we will actually see a Defensor combiner...

To be fair, the reason for Bludgeon's multiple forms was written into the fiction/character bios:

That's very true. The other one I thought if was Silverbolt, who came out as an Ultra fig in Generations and part of the repainted Energon set in one of the movie lines. However, even in this case, there's extenuating circumstances with the movie Energon repaint being in the movie line and a Target exclusive. But, then again, the Hunt for the Decepticons line contained a mix of movie and Generations figures.

Agamemnon wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:Now, it's not like Hasbro has never given us duplicate sets of a character in the same line (RoTF Blugeon, if memory serves.) But this makes me wonder if we will actually see a Defensor combiner...

To be fair, the reason for Bludgeon's multiple forms was written into the fiction/character bios:

That's very true. The other one I thought if was Silverbolt, who came out as an Ultra fig in Generations and part of the repainted Energon set in one of the movie lines. However, even in this case, there's extenuating circumstances with the movie Energon repaint being in the movie line and a Target exclusive. But, then again, the Hunt for the Decepticons line contained a mix of movie and Generations figures.

Energon was a strange duck... there's no arguing with that!

Agamemnon wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:That's just a limited store or site exclusive. has no bearing on mass release toys.

Where did you get this info? It's not in the news story nor in any of the comments that I read on the story.

Read it on another forum.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:That's just a limited store or site exclusive. has no bearing on mass release toys.

Where did you get this info? It's not in the news story nor in any of the comments that I read on the story.

Read it on another forum.

Then you need to source such statements because many here, including myself, do not frequent other forums.

Rated X wrote: That is except for cheap people who would rather buy a goofy looking ages 5 and up toy to avoid paying "3rd party prices".

Calling fans, Cheap people, for not buying 3rd party products and mocking their purchases. Is cruel, Insensitive and taunting behavior.

You've been told by the managers here to keep these types of comments to yourself.

Your job as a poster here is to give your opinion on the media or product. Not to label, mock, taunt and harrass other members.

Hydrant is up for pre-order

139.99.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote: That is except for cheap people who would rather buy a goofy looking ages 5 and up toy to avoid paying "3rd party prices".

Calling fans, Cheap people, for not buying 3rd party products and mocking their purchases. Is cruel, Insensitive and taunting behavior.

You've been told by the managers here to keep these types of comments to yourself.

Your job as a poster here is to give your opinion on the media or product. Not to label, mock, taunt and harrass other members.

I would think anyone who isn't remotely interested in 3rp party products wouldn't be reading these forums. There's a big difference between "not being able to afford something" and being "cheap". Most people on here are not afraid to admit when a price is above their budget. I totally respect that. But then there are those few people who will spend hundreds on certain 3rd party figures, but then complain about the prices of other 3rd party figures. That I don't respect. People who can afford to pre-order a $300 Nova Lord shouldn't be complaining about the price of Feral Rex or Quantron. If you cant afford it, that's fine. But can you stop bitching on every thread about "3rd party prices" ? it's really starting to get old...

Now, X, it's not a great thing to speak for people without walking a mile in their shoes. People can have any number of legit reasons without the need to resort to being called, "cheap."

Can we get back to talking about TFC's Prometheus now?

Agamemnon wrote:Now, X, it's not a great thing to speak for people without walking a mile in their shoes. People can have any number of legit reasons without the need to resort to being called, "cheap."

Can we get back to talking about TFC's Prometheus now?

Aren't you a bit tired of reading his complaints about "third party prices" in every one of his posts ? It's getting to be a bit redundant. Nobody else on here does that.

On topic, I think TFC's Hotspot looks good, but I just don't like the team leader being so huge towering over the rest of his team. I'm more into cartoon accuracy than vintage toy accuracy. TFC did a good job with Silverbolt and his troops in the Uranus set. But then they just went downhill with Ares and I see the same thing with Prometheus. That's why Im going with Maketoys. (Plus their Groove is more accurate)

Just saw the import site Price for TFC Hotspot, Think the price is reasonable for a 3rd party toy that is Leader scale. Will probably pre order this toy this weekend.

Love the bigger scale of this TFC Hotspot toy.

Think TFC here created a better fully articulated leader scaled Fire truck robot than HasTak did.

POV,Thought 2000 Fire Convoy was great for it's time but then quickly got replaced by the better 2005 Cybertron Leader scale Optimus Prime. DOTM Leader scale Sentinel Prime was HasTak's best attempt. With now TFC Leader scale Hotspot easily being better in both modes. Tempted to put all Four Leader scale fire truck bots on the same display shelf.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:POV,Thought 2000 Fire Convoy was great for it's time but then quickly got replaced by the better 2005 Cybertron Leader scale Optimus Prime. DOTM Leader scale Sentinel Prime was HasTak's best attempt. With now TFC Leader scale Hotspot easily being better in both modes. Tempted to put all Four Leader scale fire truck bots on the same display shelf.

Now, that's a cool idea. I have the other three as well. It'd be interesting to see Inferno among them too. Kinda like a little brother or cousin hanging around...

If they've got preorders for their Hot Spot up, methinks their Groove might be shipping soon.

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote: That is except for cheap people who would rather buy a goofy looking ages 5 and up toy to avoid paying "3rd party prices".

Calling fans, Cheap people, for not buying 3rd party products and mocking their purchases. Is cruel, Insensitive and taunting behavior.

You've been told by the managers here to keep these types of comments to yourself.

Your job as a poster here is to give your opinion on the media or product. Not to label, mock, taunt and harrass other members.

I would think anyone who isn't remotely interested in 3rp party products wouldn't be reading these forums. There's a big difference between "not being able to afford something" and being "cheap". Most people on here are not afraid to admit when a price is above their budget. I totally respect that. But then there are those few people who will spend hundreds on certain 3rd party figures, but then complain about the prices of other 3rd party figures. That I don't respect. People who can afford to pre-order a $300 Nova Lord shouldn't be complaining about the price of Feral Rex or Quantron. If you cant afford it, that's fine. But can you stop bitching on every thread about "3rd party prices" ? it's really starting to get old...

You know what? I'm absolutely SICK of this back and forth between the two of you. Both of you know exactly what you're doing and it needs to stop. This is not a request, this is a demand.

Tsutsukakushi, IGNORE Rated X. Pretend as though he doesn't exist. At all. Use the ignore feature, for goodness sakes!

Rated X, as much as it pains me to admit it, Tsutsukakushi is right, your behavior is unacceptable and you have been told time and again to stop it. I don't know who you think you are or what you think you can get away with, but I'll tell you right now: You are no better than anyone here. In fact, I have yet to see where you've contributed to the community in a positive manner. As for what you can get away with? NOTHING. I'm sick and tired of people having to complain about your posts and attitude, both of which are constantly problematic.

You have NO right to tell anyone what forums they should or shouldn't be in. If someone wants to peruse the 3rd party forum, that's their business, not your's.

Rated X wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:Now, X, it's not a great thing to speak for people without walking a mile in their shoes. People can have any number of legit reasons without the need to resort to being called, "cheap."

Can we get back to talking about TFC's Prometheus now?

Aren't you a bit tired of reading his complaints about "third party prices" in every one of his posts ? It's getting to be a bit redundant. Nobody else on here does that.

On topic, I think TFC's Hotspot looks good, but I just don't like the team leader being so huge towering over the rest of his team. I'm more into cartoon accuracy than vintage toy accuracy. TFC did a good job with Silverbolt and his troops in the Uranus set. But then they just went downhill with Ares and I see the same thing with Prometheus. That's why Im going with Maketoys. (Plus their Groove is more accurate)

It's not your place to police other people's posts! If Tsutsukakushi wants to be redundant, as you put it, it's not harming anyone including you. Learn to let it roll off your back and carry on. Just the same as Tsutsukakushi should do with you.

And Agamemnon asked, so I'm answering. Yes, we can and will get back to talking about Prometheus right now. Once this post of mine is posted, the conversation will go back to Prometheus and stay there and it will not deviate again.

So, Tsutsukakushi and Rated X, do not take even a moment to respond to my post here. Do not comment on it, do not comment on each other. Talk about the toy or don't talk at all.

The pace TFC is going at it'll be the new year before we see a full reveal. That and they'll start teasing the next one soon if they continue to follow previous release patterns.

Lord Raze wrote:The pace TFC is going at it'll be the new year before we see a full reveal. That and they'll start teasing the next one soon if they continue to follow previous release patterns.

It'd be interesting to see who they'd do next. The only combiners I'm interested in after I complete the current ones I'm buying are Piranaking, Abominous and Monstructor.

Lord Raze wrote:The pace TFC is going at it'll be the new year before we see a full reveal. That and they'll start teasing the next one soon if they continue to follow previous release patterns.

TFC's still better than MMC when it comes to timetables. I hear people have had Talon (I think id his name...) on preorder since January '13! Although, MMC's quality seems to be much higher than TFC's from what I hear.

Although, I'd buy their Superion... And as of right now, they're the only game in town for Defensor, so I have to give them some credit.

Omegalock .

This Hotspot looks terrible . That's 3/5 i don't like . TFC are at he bottom of my list for combiners now since i didn't like any of there Predacon robots modes either .

whats with these new pics? his red chest piece isnt in the same spot as the first bot pics... its like, in his stomach.

i like hotspot (in the last pics i mean) but hes the only one so far. and if he's scaled the same as their superion, then im out for sure. my scramble city guys all gotta be the same size. theres a good thing going with FP menasor and bruticus, and MT's computron is following suit which i loooove.

Autobot Genocide wrote:





Omegalock .

It's just too damn big. And the sad part is the limbs are deluxe sized so MP collectors cant use the set as MP scaled Protectobots. TFC used to be awesome. Now they are just a joke.

I dunno. He IS pretty damn big, but have you seen firetrucks? They're big. And Hot Spot uses a whole truck for his robot mode, not just a cab. We're comparing a whole firetruck to only a pump truck and a voyager-sized car.

The G1 Protectobots were all tiny and I think that's part of the problem.



Relatively speaking, TFC's take may be even SMALLER than G1's take in relation to deluxe sized figures. Personally .... I'm on board. For this AND Maketoys' set. Eventually. TFC stuff sticks around; I'm just going to bide my time and wait for the heat to die down.

Autobot032 wrote:

Lord Raze wrote:The pace TFC is going at it'll be the new year before we see a full reveal. That and they'll start teasing the next one soon if they continue to follow previous release patterns.

TFC's still better than MMC when it comes to timetables. I hear people have had Talon (I think id his name...) on preorder since January '13! Although, MMC's quality seems to be much higher than TFC's from what I hear.

Although, I'd buy their Superion... And as of right now, they're the only game in town for Defensor, so I have to give them some credit.

I think MakeToys is doing a Protectobots set right after Computron.



At this point I am leaning MT, though it will be tough getting the full set in one shot again. Hopefully they will release in stages, perhaps in pairs with Hotspot alone?

On the other hand, I do like the use of the Dodge Tomahawk (with the Viper V-10) as the motorcycle...

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I dunno. He IS pretty damn big, but have you seen firetrucks? They're big. And Hot Spot uses a whole truck for his robot mode, not just a cab. We're comparing a whole firetruck to only a pump truck and a voyager-sized car.

The G1 Protectobots were all tiny and I think that's part of the problem.



Relatively speaking, TFC's take may be even SMALLER than G1's take in relation to deluxe sized figures. Personally .... I'm on board. For this AND Maketoys' set. Eventually. TFC stuff sticks around; I'm just going to bide my time and wait for the heat to die down.

Well vehicle scale wise, the Protectobots were screwed from day one. Not to mention the G1 vintage toy scale sucked, especially for combiners. On the other hand, the cartoon scale just looked better and made more sense. Mass shifting is something fans have always been divided over. I'm all for it because I care more about the robots than the alt modes in my displays. Do you really want a faction commander towering over Optimus Prime ? Silverbolt didn't and he was a concorde.