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Justicity wrote:Alex Kingdom wrote:Leonardo wrote:The problem with using the prequel comics and novel is that one shouldn't need external material to answer basic plot questions. Supporting sources should extend the plot, not answer fundamental questions about the film itself. The explanations themselves seem reasonable enough, though, but few of them were hinted at in the film.
(snip) For me that’s the sign of some very poor storytelling,(snip)
No, thats a sign of good marketing. "want to understand the movie? Buy the comics, the books, the lunch boxes & the shoes..."
Leonardo wrote:Justicity wrote:- MEGATRONS EYES! Read the prequel comic.
- How is this a plot hole??? Why keep them together? Cause Megatron was OFFLINE.
These points make no sense. How do Megatron's eyes explain anyone else knowing about a map being burnt onto the spectacles? I like Insurgent's idea about the beacon but I don't see how / why a homing beacon would tell the other Transformers that the data in Megatron's guidance system had been etched into some spectacles.
And if S7 believed Megatron was offline then they wouldn't have needed to keep him frozen, unless it was the freezing that was keeping him offline, in which case Megatron was merely sedated, which means he could wake up, which means they did compromise their own security right from the get-go.
So, they're still plot-holes because they compromise the integrity of the film's plot. A film shouldn't require supporting material, like the prequels, to maintain its logic.
Alex Kingdom wrote:Captain Lennox - "Right, we stay hee we're screwed with Megatron in the other hanger. Mission city's 22 miles away we're going to sneek the cube out of here and we're gonna hide it somewhere in the city."
Instead of protesting about the possible loss of innocent lives and destruction to property and so on...
Defense Secretary John Keller- "Good! Right!"
Insurgent wrote:Alex Kingdom wrote:Captain Lennox - "Right, we stay hee we're screwed with Megatron in the other hanger. Mission city's 22 miles away we're going to sneek the cube out of here and we're gonna hide it somewhere in the city."
Instead of protesting about the possible loss of innocent lives and destruction to property and so on...
Defense Secretary John Keller- "Good! Right!"
Ah, the trouble with only seeing the film once is, I can't remember all of the conversations. But if this is the actual conversation, then they are all a bunch of moronic idiots and Megatron should have ripped them in half instead of Jazz. Or have Blackout slice them.
Insurgent wrote:Then they are all a bunch of moronic idiots and Megatron should have ripped them in half instead of Jazz.
Saberwing wrote:Its incredibly badly written, there is no way they'd know about the glasses, and why did the writers include that plot line anyway??
Leonardo wrote:Saberwing wrote:Its incredibly badly
Good question. It was certainly a bizarre choice, especially given that the filmmakers were trying to ask non-Transformers fans (i.e. regular movie-goers) to accept the premise of giant alien transforming robots landing on Earth. That in itself is a rather fantastic notion; to include such a convoluted plot line about maps being etched onto spectacles as well as that premise seems downright mad. Why muddy the waters? Why make it more complex than it needed to be?
D-340 wrote:Alex Kingdom wrote:Malikon wrote:It wasn't supposed to be a venue for a final battle, they stopped there to get CB's from the pawn shop. Then all hell broke loose when StarScream bombed them and blew Bbee all to pieces.
Most of your theories seem pretty sound but this one? I distinctly remember the main Marine guy (can't remember his name) saying something like "if we say here we're screwed (megaton being next door and all) Well take the cube to the city and hide it and make our stand there" why hide it in a city? Why go to the city at all? I'm pretty sure the specifically went there to "make a stand' against the Decepticons with the help of air support.
mainly because it's more epic to have 20 ft tall robots fighting in the middle of a huge city rather that an open field?![]()
Yours AK
They went to the city to hide the cube, that he said. The whole fighting the 'Cons off in the city though didn't make sense to me either.
Hiding the cube in a big city makes alot of sense, cuz it would be more difficult to find. It seems they can't track the cube themselves, so that part of the plan was good in theroy.
The whole make a stand in the city, well, was idiotic at best. I always though a diversion would've been a better plan Hide the cube in the city, lead the 'Cons elsewhere.
mizanyx wrote:- why it was considered a good military decision to chose a city centre as the venue for the final battle?
They thought the only enemy to take care of was Megatron and/or Blackout at first (and Blackout was far away), and they thought to be able to escape because they didn't knew that the rest of the Decepticons were precisely waiting in the city, searching for them. They didn't knew about Starscream or Megatron's flying alt modes, nor they knew Starscream was doing recon over all the city searching for them, they initially thought it was one of their own F-22.
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syphonn wrote:Space travel, 0Kelvin, absence of heat ...
Alex Kingdom wrote:syphonn wrote:Space travel, 0Kelvin, absence of heat ...
Precisely, these guys just traveled here through cold empty space for millions of miles, if that didn't 'immobilizes' them then no amount of liquid nitrogen should do.
Yours AK
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Insurgent wrote:Precisly why they should have used ships, instead of dropping out of the sky and landing on their heads. The energy alone needed to travel that distance would put strain on their systems.
And why would they all have 'rock mode' on Cybertron? What kind of transformer species are they when they turn into flying rocks? What kind of war could they fight when they turn into rocks?
Grrr, I hate protoforms. Except for BW protoforms. They went about it the right way.
Senor Hugo wrote:Insurgent wrote:Precisly why they should have used ships, instead of dropping out of the sky and landing on their heads. The energy alone needed to travel that distance would put strain on their systems.
And why would they all have 'rock mode' on Cybertron? What kind of transformer species are they when they turn into flying rocks? What kind of war could they fight when they turn into rocks?
Grrr, I hate protoforms. Except for BW protoforms. They went about it the right way.
A-hem.
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