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cristof wrote:When Megatron crash landed he shut himself down...Just like my laptop, when I shut it down, it doesn't use the battery or electricity.

Was that your guess??????Or did you think thats what happened.The prequil book shows him going into forced shut down mode because of the vast temperture changes, the cold of space then the heat up of a uncontroled planetary entree only to be followed by falling into the frozed waters of our last ice age.He did not shut himself off volonteraly.

Sentry Prime wrote:<b>how anyone else know that a map had been burnt onto the glasses?</b>

We see how the Decepticons find out about the glasses - Frenzy's search for information about "Witwhicky" came back with a result of Sam's eBay page...

The Autobots were most likely brought up to speed by Bumblebee, and I don't recall any of the humans having any knowledge of the map at all.

But that raises the same questions that were asked earlier in the thread, namely: how did the eBay page inform the Decepticons that there was a map on the spectacles? Sam didn't know so he couldn't have put it in the listing. Similarly, Bumblebee informing the other Autobots is fine but how did Bumblebee himself know about the map? Someone suggested that the Transformers could see the etchings on the JPEG used in the listing.

Frenzy: "Found a clue to the All Spark."

* Tapping furiously, he calls up an image of an old newspaper article about Archibald Witwicky - the article has the man's crude drawings of Cybertronian glyphs.

Frenzy: "Witwicky man - He has seen our language"

* We then see Frenzy flipping through several web pages, including a Yahoo search and several pages of thumbnail images

Frenzy: "Witwicky search."

* Camera cuts to Frenzy, who makes a sound like "Oi!" as something grabs his attention, and when the camera cuts back we see Sam's eBay listing for the glasses.

<b>* Frenzy pulls up an enlarged image of the glasses in which <u>it appears 2 glyphs are visible, with at least 6 rows of tiny glyphs below them. Enlarging the image further, Frenzy's sensitive optics identify more Cybertronian glyphs.</u></b>

* He calls up what appears to be Sam's eBay user profile

Frenzy: "We must find LadiesMan217."

* We then see several street maps flash on-screen, before the 2 Decepticons leave the airport.

Why did not Megatron show any gratitude towards Starscream even though Starscream led the mission that resulted in Megatron thawing out?


Michael

Sentry Prime wrote:Frenzy: "Found a clue to the All Spark."

* Tapping furiously, he calls up an image of an old newspaper article about Archibald Witwicky - the article has the man's crude drawings of Cybertronian glyphs.

Frenzy: "Witwicky man - He has seen our language"

* We then see Frenzy flipping through several web pages, including a Yahoo search and several pages of thumbnail images

Frenzy: "Witwicky search."

* Camera cuts to Frenzy, who makes a sound like "Oi!" as something grabs his attention, and when the camera cuts back we see Sam's eBay listing for the glasses.

<b>* Frenzy pulls up an enlarged image of the glasses in which <u>it appears 2 glyphs are visible, with at least 6 rows of tiny glyphs below them. Enlarging the image further, Frenzy's sensitive optics identify more Cybertronian glyphs.</u></b>

* He calls up what appears to be Sam's eBay user profile

Frenzy: "We must find LadiesMan217."

* We then see several street maps flash on-screen, before the 2 Decepticons leave the airport.

Have you noticed that the street maps are maps of southern California, and the last map is of a small area in South Gate?


Michael

Considering that the Autobots:
A) crash into Dodger stadium
B) meet at the Griffith Observatory
C) have their finale battle in downtown L.A.(that's were it was actualy shot), and
D) say they are about 200 miles from Hoover Dam, it makes sence that all the maps would be of SoCal.

I think the latest Lil'Formers cites a particularly good one.

Sorry, Tekka.
Whatever image you posted, I can't see it.
Do you have a direct link?

Why did nobody notice that after all the car windows shattered, that it was odd that the only car with out shattered windows was the one that made the loud noise in the first place?

How did nobody notice Frenzy walking away from Air Force One?

Why was a civilian police car (Barricade) allowed to get so close to Air Force One?

Why did Air Force One need a whole room of servers on board?

Why were all the kids in High School 20+ years old?

How did Frenzys head turn in to a much smaller cell phone?

How exactly is an audio signal supposed to hack?

Why was the predator drone jet powered?

Where were Starscream, Bonecrusher, & Brawl for the other 2/3 of the film?

Why did Bonechrusher "die" by having his head chopped off yet Frenzy lives on?

Why did Brawls tanks rounds have less explosive force than a small grenade?

Why did the army dudes uniform not get shredded after sliding on asphalt for like 50 ft?

Why would the government need "hide the evidence" of the bots even though countless numbers of people in the city saw the bots battling

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:How did nobody notice Frenzy walking away from Air Force One?

Why was a civilian police car (Barricade) allowed to get so close to Air Force One?

The Goverment is as incompedent in the film as they are in real life:-?

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Why did Air Force One need a whole room of servers on board?

Cause Bush cant even dress himself:

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Why were all the kids in High School 20+ years old?

So we could all drool over students like Megan with out being perverts:

Starscreams bad comedy wrote:Why did the army dudes uniform not get shredded after sliding on asphalt for like 50 ft?

He had a really good taylor.

Why would the government need "hide the evidence" of the bots even though countless numbers of people in the city saw the bots battling[/quote]

They did the same thing at Rosswell

Whiner-tron wrote:Considering that the Autobots:
A) crash into Dodger stadium
B) meet at the Griffith Observatory
C) have their finale battle in downtown L.A.(that's were it was actualy shot), and
D) say they are about 200 miles from Hoover Dam, it makes sence that all the maps would be of SoCal.

It is true that the climax was filmed in downtown L.A..

But maybe a new casino was opened a few miles from Las Vegas that was modeled after downtown L.A. (just as the New York New York was modeled after New York City). This could explain why a Las Vegas suburb would look so much like downtown L.A..


Michael

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Why would the government need "hide the evidence" of the bots even though countless numbers of people in the city saw the bots battling

Because it took place somewhere no one outside of Clark County, Nevada has ever heard of.


Michael

dbz77 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Why would the government need "hide the evidence" of the bots even though countless numbers of people in the city saw the bots battling

Because it took place somewhere no one outside of Clark County, Nevada has ever heard of.


Michael

You quoted that wrong....it wasnt my question.I was replying to some one else.

dbz77 wrote:(just as the New York New York was modeled after New York City).

What the hell are you saying here.
Are you talking about the city in the TF movie????Because if you are that city was not modeled after New York City at all.If you were talking about an other movie then witch one because your post is not very clear.

One thing has been bothering me, the battle modes of some of the TF's... Isn't everything on their body alive? So how would Bumblebee and Prime's battle mode protect their faces? Aren't they just putting a layer of skin over their faces?

schizophrenica wrote:One thing has been bothering me, the battle modes of some of the TF's... Isn't everything on their body alive? So how would Bumblebee and Prime's battle mode protect their faces? Aren't they just putting a layer of skin over their faces?

I wondered that. There are two possible explanations:

1) The battle masks are made of a stronger metal, and this metal is in short supply so that they can't make / coat their entire bodies with it.

2) The robots' optics are particularly sensitive or delicate. Maybe the lenses are prone to damage (although why they don't just make lenses out of the battle masks' visors is beyond me).

I am a rational person, and must always rationalize any peice of fiction before I can enjoy it. Being a writer, I must do this to my own work. So I came up with the Universal Onion Theory of Unreality. Essentially, I postulate that at the center of the universe is Reality, in which nothing exists. Outside of Reality are an infinite number of similar dimensions, each one being slightly more unrealistic as it gets farther from Reality. Since all things are unrealistic shadows of Reality, all things have the possibility of existing in all dimensions, however more unrealistic things will exist as fictional concepts in more realistic dimensions. Due to the continuing procession of Unreality, each dimension is ruled by laws of logic that apply only to a specific dimension. When an extremely Unrealistic concept/ entity/ artifact surfaces as fiction in a more realistic dimension, it's natural law of logic is incomprehensible to the new dimension in question, leading to a phenomenon known as "plot holes." The more unrealistic a "fiction" is, i.e. the farther out on the "onion" it is, the larger the Plot Holes appear. Thus, a film such as Gettysburg appears has fewer Plot Holes than Transformers, which in turn has fewer Plot Holes than An Inconvenient Truth. This law of Unreality can be applied to any work to explain Plot Holes and other inconsistencies.

2) The robots' optics are particularly sensitive or delicate. Maybe the lenses are prone to damage (although why they don't just make lenses out of the battle masks' visors is beyond me).

That would make sense for bumblebee, but prime only covered his mouth. Maybe he has loose teeth?

Also wouldn't bumblebee be in extreme pain when he was racing towards brawl on the towtruck? Sparks were flying off his wound!! How can that not hurt?

Good point. I don't know why Optimus would need a mouthguard, unless maybe one precision shot down his throat could cause his spark to go into meltdown. I highly doubt it, though.

schizophrenica wrote:

Also wouldn't bumblebee be in extreme pain when he was racing towards brawl on the towtruck? Sparks were flying off his wound!! How can that not hurt?

It most likly did......but I'm sure that they can shutt power to those sensers that would register the pain in their heads.

Meditation can help people to deal with pain......so maybe they developed cut off switch'es in their heads.

Hmmm.. That is possible... Never thought of it that way..

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

schizophrenica wrote:

Also wouldn't bumblebee be in extreme pain when he was racing towards brawl on the towtruck? Sparks were flying off his wound!! How can that not hurt?

It most likly did......but I'm sure that they can shutt power to those sensers that would register the pain in their heads.

Meditation can help people to deal with pain......so maybe they developed cut off switch'es in their heads.

Or maybe transformers don't feel "pain", they feel the effects of faulty sensors & circuitry?
If their legs broken off they just can't use it. It's not like when a human looses a leg. They would feel the pain of blood loss, broken nerves, ripped muscles, etc. An artificially intelligent robot would just notice they can't move the leg, realize the annoyance, shut off power to that leg as to not waste power, & just get on with something else till they could repair it.

Here's some plotholes or at least gross discrepencies I've noticed:

*Disclaimer*--I like the movie, alright, so I'm just giving my opinion. I know that's not looked too kindly upon around Seibertron these days....

---If a protoform can travel through space and survive atmospheric reentry and the amazing, amazing heat that results from that, how does an incendiary round melt through regular TF armor?
---How is it that the Allspark is capable of restoring Frenzy's body in the Hoover Damn, yet destroyes Megatron?
---If there's no more mass shifting, then why does the Cube mass shift in Hoover damn when BB touches it?
---You know, all of you do know it somewhere deep inside, that the Matrix is approximately 1,000,000,000,000 times cooler than the Cube.
---How do humans make use of the Cubes' power for experimental purposes but still somehow manage to keep it hidden from detection? Megatron (in the prequal comic, so there...) tracks it through millions of miles of space, so some concrete is somehow better than millions of miles of three dimensional space?
---If there's no more mass shifting, then how do 30 foot tall robots turn into 8 foot long cars?
---Just how do weapons work in this movie? I need to shoot at someone so my hands just reconfigure into some blaster weapon? Or one just pops out of my chest? Is there a pre-determined weapon hand that will convert or is it (as it really appears to be) an arbitrary thing, so then I could lay on the ground and stick my foot in the air and have it turn into a weapon....
---what are TFs built out of in this movie? They seem to come apart so easily....

I'm out.

Dagon wrote:Here's some plotholes or at least gross discrepencies I've noticed:

*Disclaimer*--I like the movie, alright, so I'm just giving my opinion. I know that's not looked too kindly upon around Seibertron these days....

---If a protoform can travel through space and survive atmospheric reentry and the amazing, amazing heat that results from that, how does an incendiary round melt through regular TF armor?
---How is it that the Allspark is capable of restoring Frenzy's body in the Hoover Damn, yet destroyes Megatron?
---If there's no more mass shifting, then why does the Cube mass shift in Hoover damn when BB touches it?
---You know, all of you do know it somewhere deep inside, that the Matrix is approximately 1,000,000,000,000 times cooler than the Cube.
---How do humans make use of the Cubes' power for experimental purposes but still somehow manage to keep it hidden from detection? Megatron (in the prequal comic, so there...) tracks it through millions of miles of space, so some concrete is somehow better than millions of miles of three dimensional space?
---If there's no more mass shifting, then how do 30 foot tall robots turn into 8 foot long cars?
---Just how do weapons work in this movie? I need to shoot at someone so my hands just reconfigure into some blaster weapon? Or one just pops out of my chest? Is there a pre-determined weapon hand that will convert or is it (as it really appears to be) an arbitrary thing, so then I could lay on the ground and stick my foot in the air and have it turn into a weapon....
---what are TFs built out of in this movie? They seem to come apart so easily....

I'm out.

The protoform is covered in a heat shield; you can see pieces of it breaking off when the Autobots arrive on Earth.

Frenzy used the Allspark to restore his body.

Sam used the Allspark to overload Megatron's spark.

The Cube has the power to shed its mass, due to the Allspark that it contains.

Space does not interfere with the Cube's radiation; concrete does.

The robot parts collapse upon themselves.


Michael

Dagon wrote:---How do humans make use of the Cubes' power for experimental purposes but still somehow manage to keep it hidden from detection? Megatron (in the prequal comic, so there...) tracks it through millions of miles of space, so some concrete is somehow better than millions of miles of three dimensional space?

The sector 7 guy said in the movie that the power signeture from the Damn was masking the Cube's power signeture.

I think someone's said this already but I think that the reason the machines the Allspark gives life to is evil is because they are reverse engineered from Megatron as the S7 dudes were saying.. So human technology is 'evil' and as soon as the spark gave them life their evil characters came to life..
If this were the case they should now reverse engineer from OP so that in case somehow the spark comes back and gives life to machines they would become like OP instead..