SlyTF1 wrote:The first movie's moral was that you can't expect a victory without sacrifice. Even though the movie never really went out of it's way to show you that.
ROTF had kind of a moral that nothing can stop you from fulfilling your destiny (even death). Even if you do die, it was still your destiny to do so and nothing can stop it.
And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
I really think these movies are deep to an extent.
SlyTF1 wrote:The first movie's moral was that you can't expect a victory without sacrifice. Even though the movie never really went out of it's way to show you that.
ROTF had kind of a moral that nothing can stop you from fulfilling your destiny (even death). Even if you do die, it was still your destiny to do so and nothing can stop it.
And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
I really think these movies are deep to an extent.
Chaoslock wrote:Wasn't the moral: "If you have lost a war, you mustn't worry about your races' survival at all!"
- first movie: the autobots destroy the only thing that can bring life back to their homeworld
- second movie: the autobots destroy the only thing that can bring energy back to their homeworld
- third movie: the autobots destroy their homeworld
As a fellow fan from another board wrote: "Optimus Prime is a nihilist"
I'm seriously worried about Earths' fate once the remaining Decepticon forces take it over.
Chaoslock wrote:Wasn't the moral: "If you have lost a war, you mustn't worry about your races' survival at all!"
- first movie: the autobots destroy the only thing that can bring life back to their homeworld
- second movie: the autobots destroy the only thing that can bring energy back to their homeworld
- third movie: the autobots destroy their homeworld
As a fellow fan from another board wrote: "Optimus Prime is a nihilist"
I'm seriously worried about Earths' fate once the remaining Decepticon forces take it over.
SlyTF1 wrote:The first movie's moral was that you can't expect a victory without sacrifice. Even though the movie never really went out of it's way to show you that.
ROTF had kind of a moral that nothing can stop you from fulfilling your destiny (even death). Even if you do die, it was still your destiny to do so and nothing can stop it.
And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
I really think these movies are deep to an extent.
SlyTF1 wrote:The first movie's moral was that you can't expect a victory without sacrifice. Even though the movie never really went out of it's way to show you that.
ROTF had kind of a moral that nothing can stop you from fulfilling your destiny (even death). Even if you do die, it was still your destiny to do so and nothing can stop it.
And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
I really think these movies are deep to an extent.
SlyTF1 wrote:And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
Cheesinator wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
That makes sense, but it's a little troubling.
The Decepticons want to wipe out a race and destroy a planet to save their own race and their own planet. Thus they are the bad guys.
The humans/Autobots want to wipe out a race and destroy a planet to save their own race and their own planet. Thus they are the heroes.
If anything, I'd have thought the moral of DOTM is that you can't try and kid yourself into always thinking you're a 'good guy'. You just have to stick to your principles, regardless of anything else.
Capt.Failure wrote:Cheesinator wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
That makes sense, but it's a little troubling.
The Decepticons want to wipe out a race and destroy a planet to save their own race and their own planet. Thus they are the bad guys.
The humans/Autobots want to wipe out a race and destroy a planet to save their own race and their own planet. Thus they are the heroes.
If anything, I'd have thought the moral of DOTM is that you can't try and kid yourself into always thinking you're a 'good guy'. You just have to stick to your principles, regardless of anything else.
If you're talking about Cybertron, just because it's there doesn't make it any less destroyed. Destruction of a planet doesn't necessarily mean to shatter it completely. To steralize the surface until it can't support life also qualifies, much like a massive meteorite could do to Earth in reality. Cybertron was the latter, steralized and uninhabitable even by Transformers. Defending a living world from people who want to fix a dead one, thus killing and enslaving everyone on the living world is not a malignant goal.
I get the feeling that the twisting of events by Decepticon apologists is gonna be a common thing from here on out.
shamone wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Cheesinator wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
That makes sense, but it's a little troubling.
The Decepticons want to wipe out a race and destroy a planet to save their own race and their own planet. Thus they are the bad guys.
The humans/Autobots want to wipe out a race and destroy a planet to save their own race and their own planet. Thus they are the heroes.
If anything, I'd have thought the moral of DOTM is that you can't try and kid yourself into always thinking you're a 'good guy'. You just have to stick to your principles, regardless of anything else.
If you're talking about Cybertron, just because it's there doesn't make it any less destroyed. Destruction of a planet doesn't necessarily mean to shatter it completely. To steralize the surface until it can't support life also qualifies, much like a massive meteorite could do to Earth in reality. Cybertron was the latter, steralized and uninhabitable even by Transformers. Defending a living world from people who want to fix a dead one, thus killing and enslaving everyone on the living world is not a malignant goal.
I get the feeling that the twisting of events by Decepticon apologists is gonna be a common thing from here on out.
no apologist here.
But i will say one thing. In Human history who do you think best represents us, cons or bots.
For my two cents, its the decepticons. As the Human race looked upon "lessers" as insignificants to be crushed or thrown aside for advancement. Ask the native american, the maori or the australian aborigine for that answer.
Do we look at our planet as a means to exploit for porfit and gain. look at rain forests. We treat everything that is not human (and some humans) as merely tools for our own betterment.
Now look at how the decepticons look at us. We are no more to them than ants standing in the way of their survival and the rebirth of their homeworld.
If tables were turne, would I expect humans to act differently, sadly human history strongly suggests otherwise.
the autobots are an impossible ideal for humanity, the decepticons are the grim reality !
SlyTF1 wrote:The first movie's moral was that you can't expect a victory without sacrifice. Even though the movie never really went out of it's way to show you that.
ROTF had kind of a moral that nothing can stop you from fulfilling your destiny (even death). Even if you do die, it was still your destiny to do so and nothing can stop it.
And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
I really think these movies are deep to an extent.
blades180 wrote:Love was an essential part of these films from the Autobots for humanity, how humans band together for the sake of all against Decepticons, it showed how you can be evil and bad and still change your ways and be accepted.
Cthulhunicron wrote:blades180 wrote: Please give me an example from the movies where an evil character changes his ways and is forgiven.
SlyTF1 wrote:The first movie's moral was that you can't expect a victory without sacrifice. Even though the movie never really went out of it's way to show you that.
ROTF had kind of a moral that nothing can stop you from fulfilling your destiny (even death). Even if you do die, it was still your destiny to do so and nothing can stop it.
And DOTM had one of "How far is too far?" It showed both humans and Cybertronians taking drastic measures to save their worlds from extinction. It was really a reflection of the two civilizations.
I really think these movies are deep to an extent.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
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