Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
kaijuguy19 wrote:Do you think the Autobots as a whole in the series have some good interactions with each other or do you think the show didn't go deeper enough to their personatly and as a result think they're boring and one demensional?
don't have any traits for the viewer to identify with,
that we never saw them do stuff on their own outside of hanging out with the humans.
They also said how the Decepticons are more interesting and entertaining then the Autobots because of this.
Sabrblade wrote:When Smokescreen came into the picture is when I feel we got some really good interactions among the Autobots.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Again I guess it's because that after seeing the show in it's entiriety I'm beginning to look back at it. In a way most of the people who say that we don't see a lot of the Autobots doing things off the battle field or doing anything important enough on the show are somehow valid since I didn't see Arcee take an oil bath despite her talking about how much she loves on or that we don't know what Ratchet and Optimus do in their spare time other then stating the obvious mission at hand here.
There's also them saying that there's hardly any conflict between them other then Ratchet,Wheeljack and Magnus.
Then there's the Autobots being Hyprocrties as well.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:
I'm going to quote Arcee from "New Recruit" on this argument:
"There was a war going on."
In Animated, the Autobots were on the top of the pile (like the Decepticons are here), and had time to goof off and be themselves. But with a severe lack of resources and a need to stay covert and undercover, none of the Autobots could do anything for leisure very often.
It wasn't until Predacons Rising when the Autobots had won that we saw some of the Autobots "in their element," such as Bulkhead in charge of the construction effort. Though, that was short-lived with the Predacon Predicament and the return of Unicron.
Point being, there was no spare time for the Autobots in this series. They were near-hungry, poor, and on-the-run for most of the series, and that's the way it would realistically be.
Ratchet-->Optimus Prime (for a while)
Wheeljack-->Ultra Magnus
Arcee-->Smokescreen
Wheeljack-->Optimus Prime
Bulkhead-->Wheeljack (vaguely)
Seems like Bumblebee's the only one who hasn't had any kind of conflict with any of his teammates.
Then there's the Autobots being Hyprocrties as well.
I never understood this argument. Can you elaborate on this, please?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
kaijuguy19 wrote:Oh I get that all right believe me I do. I think it's just we didn't see them do the stuff that they did have time to with either the kids or by themselves enough to really get a sense of them having a life aside from fighting that's all. I agree that while yes the Autobots aren't perfect they aren't the worst I've seen. I was sort of shocked when I've heard that the japanese characters from RID while being one track were constantly on track and never boring and that both the RID and UT at least had the excuse to have one track characters in low budget shows unlike Prime having a higher budget had no excuse to mess up characters. I should also point that while the Maximals of Beast Wars were in many tight situations they still found time to do some hobbies and such to relax a lot of times during the show.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Sure thing. The same people I talked to talked about how the Autobots like Optimus for example preach on about not killling those who can't defend themselves nor slaughter Vehicons who aren't made for combat yet goes around killing off Vehicons in brutal fasions like Arcee twisting off the head of one and Bulkhead ripping out the insides of another
kaijuguy19 wrote:as well as killing off the Predacons in he tubes in Evolution.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Sure thing. The same people I talked to talked about how the Autobots like Optimus for example preach on about not killling those who can't defend themselves nor slaughter Vehicons who aren't made for combat yet goes around killing off Vehicons in brutal fasions like Arcee twisting off the head of one and Bulkhead ripping out the insides of another as well as killing off the Predacons in he tubes in Evolution.
There's also the time Arcee went off towards Airachnid in Crossfire ignoring Optimus's command not to when in the past episodes like Partners and One shall Fall she learned that revenge was a bad thing and told Bee not to do it to Megatron then after Crossfire told Smokescreen not to be reckless and disobeying orders. Then there's the part in Minus One where Optimus allowed Ratchet to use a method of breaking open Soundwave that seems harsh.
Those are just some examples of why some people think the Autobots are hyprocrites due to their morals being contradicting as well as delving into morally quiestionable territory ye those isseus never get touched on thus making them self rightous.
Here's a thread that were talking about such things.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... cites.html
Shadowman wrote:When you are on the losing end of a millenia-old war, and all of your allies can be counted on two hands, while your enemies seem to have an infinite supply of soldiers, you don't exactly have time to go out for dinner and a movie...
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Where in my post did I say that?PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.
And being killed off for no reason other than to sell toys is acceptable?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Where in my post did I say that?PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.
And being killed off for no reason other than to sell toys is acceptable?
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for story progression, if handled well, is okay.
Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off to create angst or turmoil for somebody else's character arc, however, is another case entirely.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Not when Breakdown's death was rife of wasted opportunities. Killing him off scrapped his story with Bulkhead, and when MECH got his corpse, MECH's own story got scrapped too shortly after.PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for story progression, if handled well, is okay.
Which is the case with a lot of deaths in Transformers: Prime, including Breakdown.
At the time, Skyquake's death had nothing to do with Dreadwing since the Dreadwing character didn't exist yet. They killed him off just because.PrymeStriker wrote:Skyquake's death in relationship to Dreadwing wasn't really a bad thing. Without it, Dreadwing wouldn't have a motive to attack Starscream and therefore his questionable loyalty to Megatron wouldn't have been corrected.
See, you're looking at things from way down the line after the writers decided to go back and build upon things they did before. I'm looking at them as they happened, when the writers did not have the hindsight they would have later.PrymeStriker wrote:Same thing for Cliffjumper. Sure, it didn't do the best job of developing Arcee, but it did affect Miko in "Out of the Past" and shifted Wheeljack's "loner" arc from the others (most prominently Bulkhead) in "Plus One." On top of that, without Wheeljack warming up to the rest of the team after Arcee's talk, he probably wouldn't have gotten along with Ultra Magnus after "Evoltuion" (and vice versa), and then that would leave two more characters without development.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Not when Breakdown's death was rife of wasted opportunities. Killing him off scrapped his story with Bulkhead,
and when MECH got his corpse, MECH's own story got scrapped too shortly after.
At the time, Skyquake's death had nothing to do with Dreadwing since the Dreadwing character didn't exist yet. They killed him off just because.
See, you're looking at things from way down the line after the writers decided to go back and build upon things they did before. I'm looking at them as they happened.
You can't tell me that Arcee couldn't have developed if the Cliffjumper murder hadn't occurred.
PrymeStriker wrote:Same thing for Cliffjumper. Sure, it didn't do the best job of developing Arcee, but it did affect Miko in "Out of the Past" and shifted Wheeljack's "loner" arc from the others (most prominently Bulkhead) in "Plus One." On top of that, without Wheeljack warming up to the rest of the team after Arcee's talk, he probably wouldn't have gotten along with Ultra Magnus after "Evoltuion" (and vice versa),
Take Cliffjumper out of the equation entirely, as though he wasn't there at all, and the dread factor of the pilot is diminished. Arcee would still have her past turmoil with Airachnid killing Tailgate, so that chip on her shoulder still remains.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Killing a character off just for the sake of another character's development is about as bad as killing them off just to make room on the shelves for new toys. It completely wastes all their prior development, and completely cheapens the character.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
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