The Energon Pub

[Shadowman]

Have you ever watched a show like Nip Tuck or Weeds? Where every episode picks up where last week left off. Where at the end of every episode your left on the edge of your seat wondering what will happen next week.

This isn't those shows. This is Transformers, a series that has never gotten the hang of overarching plots.

Its been almost year and we barely reached episode 23.

To reuse your previous examples, Weeds only had 10 episodes in its first season, Nip/Tuck only had 13. To use Transformers examples, G1 only had 16 episodes in its first season, Animated also had 16 episodes by the end of it's first (Official) season. RID, and the Unicron Trilogy all had 13 episodes in their first season. Beast Wars is tied with Prime for longest first season, at 26 episodes each. (Even though episodes 23-26 haven't aired yet, they're still confirmed)

[Sabrblade]

Have you ever watched a show like Nip Tuck or Weeds? Where every episode picks up where last week left off. Where at the end of every episode your left on the edge of your seat wondering what will happen next week.

This isn't those shows. This is Transformers, a series that has never gotten the hang of overarching plots.

Um... Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RiD (to a degree) The Headmasters, Masterforce, Cybertron, and Animated all had overarching plotlines for each of them. Though they were not without filler, they all did did have story plots that carried over a multitude episodes.

Its been almost year and we barely reached episode 23.

To reuse your previous examples, Weeds only had 10 episodes in its first season, Nip/Tuck only had 13. To use Transformers examples, G1 only had 16 episodes in its first season, Animated also had 16 episodes by the end of it's first (Official) season. RID, and the Unicron Trilogy all had 13 episodes in their first season. Beast Wars is tied with Prime for longest first season, at 26 episodes each. (Even though episodes 23-26 haven't aired yet, they're still confirmed)

RiD and the Unicron Trilogy had only one season each. Those are story arcs you're thinking of. A season can contain multiple story arcs.

[Shadowman]

Have you ever watched a show like Nip Tuck or Weeds? Where every episode picks up where last week left off. Where at the end of every episode your left on the edge of your seat wondering what will happen next week.

This isn't those shows. This is Transformers, a series that has never gotten the hang of overarching plots.

Um... Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RiD (to a degree) The Headmasters, Masterforce, Cybertron, and Animated all had overarching plotlines for each of them. Though they were not without filler, they all did did have story plots that carried over a multitude episodes.

BW's overarching plot took place over, what, a dozen episodes? Animated was the same way. You're right about the Japanese series, though.

Its been almost year and we barely reached episode 23.

To reuse your previous examples, Weeds only had 10 episodes in its first season, Nip/Tuck only had 13. To use Transformers examples, G1 only had 16 episodes in its first season, Animated also had 16 episodes by the end of it's first (Official) season. RID, and the Unicron Trilogy all had 13 episodes in their first season. Beast Wars is tied with Prime for longest first season, at 26 episodes each. (Even though episodes 23-26 haven't aired yet, they're still confirmed)

RiD and the Unicron Trilogy had only one season each. Those are story arcs you're thinking of. A season can contain multiple story arcs.

Hm, so it would seem. Shows me for using Wikipedia rather than TFwiki. Still, though, Prime still ties Beast Wars for longest first season in North American-made Transformers.

[NiteStar]

Have you ever watched a show like Nip Tuck or Weeds? Where every episode picks up where last week left off. Where at the end of every episode your left on the edge of your seat wondering what will happen next week.

This isn't those shows. This is Transformers, a series that has never gotten the hang of overarching plots.

Thats exactly what they are doing. OVERARCHING. Dragging out this one first season for so long.

Its been almost year and we barely reached episode 23.

To reuse your previous examples, Weeds only had 10 episodes in its first season, Nip/Tuck only had 13. To use Transformers examples, G1 only had 16 episodes in its first season, Animated also had 16 episodes by the end of it's first (Official) season. RID, and the Unicron Trilogy all had 13 episodes in their first season. Beast Wars is tied with Prime for longest first season, at 26 episodes each. (Even though episodes 23-26 haven't aired yet, they're still confirmed)

Yes, shows like Weed and Niptuck had short first seasons but each episode was filled with enough juice to keep you hanging on to the next week.
These writers should be able to write enough juicy material from one episode to the next and not have to deflect to side stories every other episode.
And dont get me started on TFAnimated. That had the same problem and now look at that.....cancelled.

[Sabrblade]

BW's overarching plot took place over, what, a dozen episodes? Animated was the same way. You're right about the Japanese series, though.

Beast Wars and Animated had multiple overarching plots. Beast Wars season 1's overarching story mostly dealt with the mystery and mystique of the Vok devices, leading up to the threat of the Planet Buster at the end. Season 2's overarching plot was... not much, really. Mostly just more character development... unless you count the growing relationship between Silverbolt and Blackarachina as an overarching plot. But season 3 went full into the overarching story of keeping the Ark safe for the whole season.

For Animated, each season was its own story arc. Season 1 - the process of resurrecting of Megatron. Season 2 - the hunting for the AllSpark fragments and the construction of the Decepticons' Space Bridge. Season 3 - the capturing of the Decepticons, the struggle to control Omega Supreme, and the building of the Autobots' own Space Bridge.

[Shadowman]

Have you ever watched a show like Nip Tuck or Weeds? Where every episode picks up where last week left off. Where at the end of every episode your left on the edge of your seat wondering what will happen next week.

This isn't those shows. This is Transformers, a series that has never gotten the hang of overarching plots.

Thats exactly what they are doing. OVERARCHING. Dragging out this one first season for so long.

That's not even close to what I'm saying or what "overarching plot" means. Beast Wars and Animated both had overarching plots; story arcs that took place over the course of a season, though not specifically every episode.

Its been almost year and we barely reached episode 23.

To reuse your previous examples, Weeds only had 10 episodes in its first season, Nip/Tuck only had 13. To use Transformers examples, G1 only had 16 episodes in its first season, Animated also had 16 episodes by the end of it's first (Official) season. RID, and the Unicron Trilogy all had 13 episodes in their first season. Beast Wars is tied with Prime for longest first season, at 26 episodes each. (Even though episodes 23-26 haven't aired yet, they're still confirmed)

Yes, shows like Weed and Niptuck had short first seasons but each episode was filled with enough juice to keep you hanging on to the next week.

Enough for 10 episodes. That's not a whole lot.

These writers should be able to write enough juicy material from one episode to the next and not have to deflect to side stories every other episode.

Not like every other TF series, no.

And dont get me started on TFAnimated. That had the same problem and now look at that.....cancelled.

Only because they didn't want attention deflected away from ROTF, not because of its storytelling.

BW's overarching plot took place over, what, a dozen episodes? Animated was the same way. You're right about the Japanese series, though.

Beast Wars and Animated had multiple overarching plots. Beast Wars season 1's overarching story mostly dealt with the mystery and mystique of the Vok devices, leading up to the threat of the Planet Buster at the end. Season 2's overarching plot was... not much, really. Mostly just more character development... unless you count the growing relationship between Silverbolt and Blackarachina as an overarching plot. But season 3 went full into the overarching story of keeping the Ark safe for the whole season.

For Animated, each season was its own story arc. Season 1 - the process of resurrecting of Megatron. Season 2 - the hunting for the AllSpark fragments and the construction of the Decepticons' Space Bridge. Season 3 - the capturing of the Decepticons, the struggle to control Omega Supreme, and the building of the Autobots' own Space Bridge.

I'm well aware of what the plots were, what I mean is, how many episodes actually dealt with the story arc?

[Shadowman]

I know it's a double post, but this is kind of long.

There's currently four story arcs going on in Prime:

Starscream and Megatron
Airachnid
MECH
Synthetic Energon

Starscream and Megatron's plot takes place over the course of 12 episodes. (Darkness Rising, Masters and Students, Deus ex Machina, Sick Mind, Out of his Head, Shadowzone, Rock Bottom, and Partners) Airachnid's story also plays into it, since Airachnid is one of the reasons Starscream left, and that takes place over four episodes (Predatory, Crisscross, Metal Attraction, and Partners) In fact, her story intersects with MECH, which itself takes place over three episodes. (Convoy, Operation Breakdown, Crisscross again) So far, the Synthetic Energon plotline has only taken two episodes.

12+(4-1)+(3-1)+2=19. 19 episodes have been tied to one of the plotlines. So only three episodes haven't had any major impact on another episode so far. (Scrapheap, Con Job, and Speed Metal) And this is just based on episodes we know. It's difficult to see foreshadowing until it actually plays out, I think, right now, it's a safe bet all of these will come to a head in the season finale.

[Sabrblade]

I'm well aware of what the plots were, what I mean is, how many episodes actually dealt with the story arc?

Beast Wars

• Season 1 - 11 out of 26 episodes
• Season 2 - 5 out of 13 episodes, though Dinobot also had a character arc that spanned 4 episodes
• Season 3 - 9 out of 13 episodes

Animated

• Season 1 - 11 out of 16 episodes
• Season 2 - 10 out of 13 episodes
• Season 3 - 9 out of 13 episodes

[TulioDude]

Barricade, you say?

I already knew he existed,but he isnt confirmerd for the show yet.

Anyway,what character you guys hope to see adapted in Transformers Prime?

I would like to see movie 1 cons(Bonecrusher,Barricade,Blackout,Brawl and maybe Scorponok) an DOTM Dreads
I would like to see Jazz and maybe Sideswipe

I also think,Ironhide would be cool,with his Cyberverse on the way,makes thinks he is nearby.

[Scourgescream]

Anyway,what character you guys hope to see adapted in Transformers Prime?

I would like to see movie 1 cons(Bonecrusher,Barricade,Blackout,Brawl and maybe Scorponok) an DOTM Dreads
I would like to see Jazz and maybe Sideswipe

I also think,Ironhide would be cool,with his Cyberverse on the way,makes thinks he is nearby.

I'd like to see Hound, Tralbreaker or Mirage for the Bots. Shockwave, Skybyte or Tarantulas for the cons

[Sabrblade]

I already knew he existed,but he isnt confirmerd for the show yet.

'Kay.

I also think,Ironhide would be cool,with his Cyberverse on the way,makes thinks he is nearby.

Even though they said he's not yet planned to appear in the show. But, anything's possible.

I'd like to see Hound, Tralbreaker or Mirage for the Bots. Shockwave, Skybyte or Tarantulas for the cons

Shockwave is a must! After all, he was Megatron's true second-in-command during the war.

[JetOptimus23]

I know it's a double post, but this is kind of long.

There's currently four story arcs going on in Prime:

Starscream and Megatron
Airachnid
MECH
Synthetic Energon

Starscream and Megatron's plot takes place over the course of 12 episodes. (Darkness Rising, Masters and Students, Deus ex Machina, Sick Mind, Out of his Head, Shadowzone, Rock Bottom, and Partners) Airachnid's story also plays into it, since Airachnid is one of the reasons Starscream left, and that takes place over four episodes (Predatory, Crisscross, Metal Attraction, and Partners) In fact, her story intersects with MECH, which itself takes place over three episodes. (Convoy, Operation Breakdown, Crisscross again) So far, the Synthetic Energon plotline has only taken two episodes.

12+(4-1)+(3-1)+2=19. 19 episodes have been tied to one of the plotlines. So only three episodes haven't had any major impact on another episode so far. (Scrapheap, Con Job, and Speed Metal) And this is just based on episodes we know. It's difficult to see foreshadowing until it actually plays out, I think, right now, it's a safe bet all of these will come to a head in the season finale.

Mind=Blown. So only three filler episodes. Now look at DBZ...filler every other episode. although, thats a much longer and drawn out series.

[Sabrblade]

I know it's a double post, but this is kind of long.

There's currently four story arcs going on in Prime:

Starscream and Megatron
Airachnid
MECH
Synthetic Energon

Starscream and Megatron's plot takes place over the course of 12 episodes. (Darkness Rising, Masters and Students, Deus ex Machina, Sick Mind, Out of his Head, Shadowzone, Rock Bottom, and Partners) Airachnid's story also plays into it, since Airachnid is one of the reasons Starscream left, and that takes place over four episodes (Predatory, Crisscross, Metal Attraction, and Partners) In fact, her story intersects with MECH, which itself takes place over three episodes. (Convoy, Operation Breakdown, Crisscross again) So far, the Synthetic Energon plotline has only taken two episodes.

12+(4-1)+(3-1)+2=19. 19 episodes have been tied to one of the plotlines. So only three episodes haven't had any major impact on another episode so far. (Scrapheap, Con Job, and Speed Metal) And this is just based on episodes we know. It's difficult to see foreshadowing until it actually plays out, I think, right now, it's a safe bet all of these will come to a head in the season finale.

Mind=Blown. So only three filler episodes. Now look at DBZ...filler every other episode. although, thats a much longer and drawn out series.

Kai is supremely better.

[Shadowman]

Mind=Blown. So only three filler episodes. Now look at DBZ...filler every other episode. although, thats a much longer and drawn out series.

Kai is supremely times better.

DBZ was unlucky, since, like nearly every Shonen Jump series (Bleach, Naruto, etc.) they had to stay far enough behind the manga, while also keeping the show in production. DBZ, however, hadn't fully gotten the hang of filler, hence the drawn-out fights and power up scenes. Kai gets around this with the manga having finished a good long time ago.

[Sabrblade]

Mind=Blown. So only three filler episodes. Now look at DBZ...filler every other episode. although, thats a much longer and drawn out series.

Kai is supremely better.

DBZ was unlucky, since, like nearly every Shonen Jump series (Bleach, Naruto, etc.) they had to stay far enough behind the manga, while also keeping the show in production. DBZ, however, hadn't fully gotten the hang of filler, hence the drawn-out fights and power up scenes. Kai gets around this with the manga having finished a good long time ago.

I don't just mean the filler, but the dub as well. No more mind-numbing trash talk. They speak with genuine emotion and faithful adherence to the Japanese script.

[Shadowman]

Mind=Blown. So only three filler episodes. Now look at DBZ...filler every other episode. although, thats a much longer and drawn out series.

Kai is supremely better.

DBZ was unlucky, since, like nearly every Shonen Jump series (Bleach, Naruto, etc.) they had to stay far enough behind the manga, while also keeping the show in production. DBZ, however, hadn't fully gotten the hang of filler, hence the drawn-out fights and power up scenes. Kai gets around this with the manga having finished a good long time ago.

I don't just mean the filler, but the dub as well. No more mind-numbing trash talk. They speak with genuine emotion and faithful adherence to the Japanese script.

That, I'm assuming, is because not only has the original audience grown up, but anime dubbing has as well. Compare the average anime dub from the mid-90s to the average anime dub from today. Not 4Kids, though, they don't count as dubs. (They count as homicide)

[Sabrblade]

Mind=Blown. So only three filler episodes. Now look at DBZ...filler every other episode. although, thats a much longer and drawn out series.

Kai is supremely better.

DBZ was unlucky, since, like nearly every Shonen Jump series (Bleach, Naruto, etc.) they had to stay far enough behind the manga, while also keeping the show in production. DBZ, however, hadn't fully gotten the hang of filler, hence the drawn-out fights and power up scenes. Kai gets around this with the manga having finished a good long time ago.

I don't just mean the filler, but the dub as well. No more mind-numbing trash talk. They speak with genuine emotion and faithful adherence to the Japanese script.

That, I'm assuming, is because not only has the original audience grown up, but anime dubbing has as well. Compare the average anime dub from the mid-90s to the average anime dub from today. Not 4Kids, though, they don't count as dubs. (They count as homicide)

I know, ain't it great?

[TulioDude]

I think the Vehicons are grerat example of the Decepticons mentality,they no individuallity and work without questioning.

[PrymeStriker]

I think the Vehicons are grerat example of the Decepticons mentality,they no individuallity and work without questioning.

Megatron works without being questioned

But on a serious note, yes, Decepticons are all mentally retarted evil to a point where they are all just the same

[Heavy B]

so has anyone seen the new episode? I can't find it. i ask because the last 2 were on youtube that night...

[Foxbear]

Warning, the following link leads to heaps of wow !

http://www.livestream.com/myownpersonal ... m=ui-thumb

The new episode is pure loads of raw awesome ! I was sitting on the edge of my seat the whole time alternating not breathing with chewing my nails. The series is definitely building up Jack for some very important role. A few questions occur to me.
1) How much longer does Fowler think he can keep the Bots a secret after the attack?
2) How much longer will Knockout and Arainachid say loyal with Megs in the condition he is?
3) Does anyone else get the feeling that Raph might end up being some sort of conduit for whatever is going to come out of that volcano?

[LadyBug]

I just can't simply believe that episode just happened in Prime! It seriously felt like it just ripped out of the movies. It was just.... amazing. So much action, so much emotions. I gasped so many times. But at least they kept one thing true with Prime that's the same with the Bay-verse! Prime; don't piss him off. But why.... why the cliffhanger?! But I'm glad they didn't let Raph die off.... if any of the kids should die; it should be Miko.

But... since Dark Energon is coming out of the volcano, does that mean Earth = Unicron? If that's the case, then we are all ****.

[Foxbear]

Maybe not Unicron? Maybe just the Fallen? Megs seemsway out of his depth. He's making a lot of assumptions.

[LadyBug]

Maybe not Unicron? Maybe just the Fallen? Megs seemsway out of his depth. He's making a lot of assumptions.

But if Dark Energon is exploding from the volcano on Earth and if Dark Energon is the blood of Unicron....

[Foxbear]

Hmmm, but there is dark energon all over the galaxy. Regular energon arived here via the cybertronians stockpileing it. Maybe someone likewise stockpiled dark energon long ago. Megs got his idea to use it from somewhere.