The Energon Pub

[Scourgescream]

It's what any sane person would do

Take him out of a shielded base where his murderous enemies can't find him, take him into a public area when he is not fit to defend himself or her.

On top of all this she does so without telling anybody else at all?

Not what i would call sane.

Plus if she hadn't have got involved int he first place Bulkhead wouldn't have been in that position. True the data would have been lost but it ended up lost anyway. She went through the warp gate thinking about nobody but herself. Not thinking about if Ratchet would worry if he couldn't find her or if any of her autobot friends would get injured or killed having to defend someone who shouldn't have been there in the first place. Going through that bridge was her just thinking all about her and what she wanted. Selfish.

[Mizuno]

she was desperate. guess a bit of stupidity is okay when you're paniking that your best pal is litteraly gonna be wiped clean of his mind in the next couple of hours.

[Sabrblade]

Take him out of a shielded base where his murderous enemies can't find him, take him into a public area when he is not fit to defend himself or her.

She was desperate! She took him to a familiar place that she hoped would jog his memory. She had no way of knowing that the Cons would show up, since it was thought that they were with Optimus and Megatron at the time.

On top of all this she does so without telling anybody else at all?

Because Ratchet is uncooperative.

Not what i would call sane.

So if your friend's mind was slipping away to nothingness, and you weren't aware of anyone else knowing of his/her condition, you'd honestly do nothing to try to help him/her?

Plus if she hadn't have got involved int he first place Bulkhead wouldn't have been in that position.

You honestly think she knew that when she got to the battlefield?

True the data would have been lost but it ended up lost anyway. She went through the warp gate thinking about nobody but herself.

No, she wanted to be with the bots in the action. She just continues to fail to see the severity of the danger of it all. She lives for danger and excitement, and wants to put herself in risky situations for the thrill of it all.

Not thinking about if Ratchet would worry if he couldn't find her

Recall how Ratchet's official bio states that he "doesn't want the Autobots risking their necks to protect humans". He more likely be more annoyed than worried about Miko leaving the base.

or if any of her autobot friends would get injured or killed having to defend someone who shouldn't have been there in the first place.

In her eyes, the Autobots are unbeatable.

Going through that bridge was her just thinking all about her and what she wanted. Selfish.

Yes, because every other human sidekick in this franchise has been a perfect angel.

[Shadowman]

Take him out of a shielded base where his murderous enemies can't find him, take him into a public area when he is not fit to defend himself or her.

His murderous enemies were the ones the Autobots were going to ask for help.

Plus if she hadn't have got involved int he first place Bulkhead wouldn't have been in that position. True the data would have been lost but it ended up lost anyway.

Er, no. She was trying to save a data cache with a formula for synthetic Energon, a substance that she can't benefit from in any way.

She went through the warp gate thinking about nobody but herself.

And Bulkhead. She went through that Ground Bridge thinking of nobody but herself and also saving Bulkhead.

Not thinking about if Ratchet would worry if he couldn't find her

You may have noticed he's been trying to get them out of the base since the series began...

or if any of her autobot friends would get injured or killed having to defend someone who shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Her Autobots friends were out having a meeting with Megatron. If anyone was throwing themselves into harm's way, it was everyone except Miko.

Going through that bridge was her just thinking all about her and what she wanted. Selfish.

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. For instance, what she wanted was to save her friend's life. And I think it's safe to say we'd all go out of our way to save a friends life like that if we had the chance.

[Scourgescream]

So if your friend's mind was slipping away to nothingness, and you weren't aware of anyone else knowing of his/her condition, you'd honestly do nothing to try to help him/her?

If my friend was in that position would i have done the same? hell no. I would have left him in the safest place where his enemies cant get him, with the robots who's technology is better than anyones on Earth. True, they couldn't figure out what to do but odds are the chances of them coming up with something are far greater than him getting cured on a monster truck course.

just continues to fail to see the severity of the danger of it all. She lives for danger and excitement, and wants to put herself in risky situations for the thrill of it all.

It isn't as simple as putting just herself in danger, she is also putting everyone who has to go in and save her in danger as well. Time after time after time.....

[Scourgescream]

His murderous enemies were the ones the Autobots were going to ask for help.

hey, i never said that was the best ever idea

She went through the warp gate thinking about nobody but herself.

And Bulkhead. She went through that Ground Bridge thinking of nobody but herself and also saving Bulkhead

i meant the first bridge before Bulkhead got zapped by the cylinder. She wanted to go through there and to hell with what anyone else thought

keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

yes thank you for being so patronising but i know what selfish means thank you

I think it's safe to say we'd all go out of our way to save a friends life like that if we had the chance.

she was going out of her way to try and get Bulkhead to stop painting and play games or mess around with her guitar.

[Sabrblade]

If my friend was in that position would i have done the same? hell no. I would have left him in the safest place where his enemies cant get him, with the robots who's technology is better than anyones on Earth. True, they couldn't figure out what to do but odds are the chances of them coming up with something are far greater than him getting cured on a monster truck course.

Bulkhead was in no better condition in the base than he was outside of it. If anything, had he not left and got attacked, his mind would have rotted away completely.

Can you really say that Megs would have trusted the Autobots enough to just give them the data cylinder and then have them give it back with the data restored? Megs HATES them. He sees the Autobots as an evil scourge that must be eliminated and sees his Decepticons as being in the right. He doesn't trust the Autobots and likely wouldn't have believed that Optimus would return the data cylinder to him.

It isn't as simple as putting just herself in danger, she is also putting everyone who has to go in and save her in danger as well. Time after time after time.....

The Autobots were already in the field of battle before she came along. Even if she hadn't showed up, they were already in the midst of danger anyway.

she was going out of her way to try and get Bulkhead to stop painting and play games or mess around with her guitar.

You really think she's that shallow of a friend? She was trying to help him get his mind back because he's her friend and she wants to help him. She genuinely cares for Bulkhead, regardless of what they do during their free time. To think that the only reason she wanted to help Bulkhead was so he could be her playmate again is just narrowminded and harsh.

[Scourgescream]

Can you really say that Megs would have trusted the Autobots enough to just give them the data cylinder and then have them give it back with the data restored? Megs HATES them. He sees the Autobots as an evil scourge that must be eliminated and sees his Decepticons as being in the right. He doesn't trust the Autobots and likely wouldn't have believed that Optimus would return the data cylinder to him.

Ha, yeah. Like i said, i never thought Primes idea would have won "Plan of the Year"

[Scourgescream]

Autobots were already in the field of battle before she came along. Even if she hadn't showed up, they were already in the midst of danger anyway.

True but Bulkhead only ended up on the floor in front of the cylinder because he was trying to stop Miko getting hurt/killed. If she hadn't been there in the first place then that wouldn't have happened. True the Autobots were in a dangerous battle but Miko being there just upped the trouble for them.

[Scourgescream]

To think that the only reason she wanted to help Bulkhead was so he could be her playmate again is just narrowminded and harsh.

Oh good more insults. You think one thing i disagree. i respect your opinion even if it is different to mine yet you result to calling me narrow minded and harsh.

Kindly refrain from these sort of comments

[Sabrblade]

To think that the only reason she wanted to help Bulkhead was so he could be her playmate again is just narrowminded and harsh.

Oh good more insults. You think one thing i disagree. i respect your opinion even if it is different to mine yet you result to calling me narrow minded and harsh.

Kindly refrain from these sort of comments

I'm not saying you are, I'm saying those thoughts of yours are. Miko genuinely cares for Bulkhead as friend, not just as a mere playmate.

[JetOptimus23]

yes thank you for being so patronising but i know what selfish means thank you

self·ish
   /ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ Show Spelled[sel-fish] Show IPA
adjective
1.
devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
2.
characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.

...I don't know, but Miko really wasn't being selfish when trying to save her best friend, at risk to herself...Just sayin'.

[Scourgescream]

was she not being selfish when she ran through a bridge into a battle? Did she stop and think about her actions affecting others? about how if she went into the battle that her autobot friends would be distracted and get hurt/killed trying to watch out for her?

No, she was just thinking of herself, about what she wanted to do, about what she thought would be fun. To hell with anyone else as long as Miko has a good time but thank you for the condescension with the free definition.

[Shadowman]

was she not being selfish when she ran through a bridge into a battle? Did she stop and think about her actions affecting others? about how if she went into the battle that her autobot friends would be distracted and get hurt/killed trying to watch out for her?

The Autobots (Except Ratchet) know they often have to go out of their way to protect the humans, and they've come to accept that. (Except Ratchet)

[Scourgescream]

The Autobots (Except Ratchet) know they often have to go out of their way to protect the humans, and they've come to accept that. (Except Ratchet)

No doubt but they protect humans who don't know what is going on, who get caught up in a battle for no fault of their own etc.

Miko knows the score. She knows how dangerous it is and how much trouble and danger she causes and she just does it anyway. If she was always getting into trouble helping an autobot or their cause that would be different but it is never about that, is always Miko doing what Miko wants because she thinks its fun regardless of any consequences. Doing it knowing the autobots will come charging to her rescue doesn't make it any less right or acceptable in fact it makes it worse!

[Shadowman]

The Autobots (Except Ratchet) know they often have to go out of their way to protect the humans, and they've come to accept that. (Except Ratchet)

No doubt but they protect humans who don't know what is going on, who get caught up in a battle for no fault of their own etc.

Miko knows the score. She knows how dangerous it is and how much trouble and danger she causes and she just does it anyway.

So....the humans don't know what's going on, and get caught up in battle for no fault of their own, except for Miko? You do know that when I meant "humans" I meant Jack, Miko, and Raf, right? You know, the three kids shown to be capable of handling themselves?

[Scourgescream]

You do know that when I meant "humans" I meant Jack, Miko, and Raf, right?

To be honest i didn't. When you said Humans i took it to mean the human race. if you'd have said kids i'd have got what you meant.

I agree that Jack has proven himself resourceful and Raf has his, unrealistic, computer skill when he turns up that is. Where as Miko, well what ever help she has administered has been far outweighed by he trouble she has caught

[Shadowman]

You do know that when I meant "humans" I meant Jack, Miko, and Raf, right?

To be honest i didn't. When you said Humans i took it to mean the human race. if you'd have said kids i'd have got what you meant.

I agree that Jack has proven himself resourceful and Raf has his, unrealistic, computer skill when he turns up that is. Where as Miko, well what ever help she has administered has been far outweighed by he trouble she has caught

Well, okay, Darkness Rising required Miko to be saved by the Autobots, but at the same time the kids got critical information out of it, and the Autobots intended to invade the Nemesis anyway to save Fowler. (Arcee and Bumblebee were already there) In Shadowzone, all the Autobots did was open a Ground Bridge. In Metal Attraction, she stayed out of the way and required no assistance. In Rock Bottom, it was Bulkhead who needed saving, after a cave-in caused by Arcee and Megatron. And in the last episode, her running into battle, while putting Bulkhead at great risk, (Which she spent the rest of the episode desperately trying to fix) also ended the fighting. So when has Miko ever needed the Autobots to come running into danger to save her, that didn't also come with a great benefit?

[Scourgescream]

So when has Miko ever needed the Autobots to come running into danger to save her, that didn't also come with a great benefit?

at the end of the latest episode

[Sabrblade]

So when has Miko ever needed the Autobots to come running into danger to save her, that didn't also come with a great benefit?

at the end of the latest episode

Bulkhead being brought into the open, being rid of the corrupt data in his head, and getting his true mind back wasn't beneficial? That data may have been of some value, but the Bulkhead's mind holds a greater value. You cannot put a price on life.

[DJ1107]

Well been looking back on what I miss gotta say Scourgescream I like you already You have the same mind pattern I do when it comes to disliking Miko so tell me what you'd think of her talking Jack into coming back to the Autobots?

[Shadowman]

You have the same mind pattern I do when it comes to disliking Miko

"Hyperbole" is probably the more accurate term.

[Scourgescream]

No, it is called having a different opinion to you. It is allowed no matter how much you may disagree with it or be patronising about it

[DJ1107]

I don't think I ever brought up Miko pretty much brown beating Jack to rejoin the Bot's I mean I think this rage started back in that dumbtastic Convoy episode. I mean lets think about it Jack is the one thinking smart he's thinking "okay this is too big for me I'm gonna get the Robots or me for that matter so I'll just go and wish them luck" but the Miko comes in and play with the poor bastard by saying his life is boring. Or better yet when she has no remorse for Bulkhead back in Operation Breakdown(?)

[Shadowman]

No, it is called having a different opinion to you. It is allowed no matter how much you may disagree with it or be patronising about it

Having an opinion is one thing. We aren't actually arguing that you don't like Miko. We're arguing all the reasons you don't like her for, though, which is an entirely different ball game. While we can't disprove your opinion, we can disprove everything that opinion is based on. For instance, we managed to prove that, at no point did the Autobots have to put themselves at great risk to save Miko, and even if they did, they got something beneficial out of it.