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[Sabrblade]

Still, though, there's enough inconsistencies between book and game (There's even inconsistencies between Exodus and Exodus) that I'm at this point willing to look past inconsistencies in book, game, and show.

I'd say the best way to treat WFC and Exodus in regards to Prime is like how Beast Wars treated the G1 cartoon and the G1 Marvel comics: Confirmed ancient history without a solidified transitional link to one or the other.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

They named him "Prime" before the war in the book.

But it wasnt a "full" title untill Zeta/Sentinel was confirmed dead

In the game, he was just "Optimus" and said "there are no Primes" after Zeta's death.

they "called" him optimus....but events still could have transpired like in the book.

In the book, by the time of the events that parallel WFC begin, only three council members remained alive: Contrail, Ratbat and Drivetrain, all of whom had joined the Decepticons. The rest of the High Council was all dead. Alpha Trion himself (who was NOT part of the High Council) was who officially named Optimus "Prime" after Sentinel's burial, which was before Optimus went to get the Matrix from the Core.

thanks, forgot about that

[Sabrblade]

they "called" him optimus....but events still could have transpired like in the book.

When he was named "Optimus" before the war, everyone knew him as "Optimus Prime", and I do mean everyone. However, when Bumblebee is first introduced to him in the game, the word "Prime" is never mentioned.

Bumblebee: "There's no time for that! I need to find an Autobot called 'Optimus' right away!"
Optimus: "I am Optimus."

The Prime title was deemed so important in the game that it wouldn't be ignored like it was in this scene in the game.

Plus, Optimus had been named Prime before the war in the book partly because Sentinel Prime had gone missing. But in the game, Zeta had not gone missing and was in command up until the Omega Supreme incident.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

When he was named "Optimus" before the war, everyone knew him as "Optimus Prime", and I do mean everyone. However, when Bumblebee is first introduced to him in the game, the word "Prime" is never mentioned.

Still, if thats all, then events still could have happened the same way.

Useing ones full name or not isint a big deal

Plus, Optimus had been named Prime before the war in the book partly because Sentinel Prime had gone missing. But in the game, Zeta had not gone missing and was in command up until the Omega Supreme incident.

If thats trully the case then we do have a SOLID contradiction.

[Sabrblade]

Still, if thats all, then events still could have happened the same way.

Useing ones full name or not isint a big deal

It's morethan just a name. It's treated as a sacred title.

Plus, Optimus had been named Prime before the war in the book partly because Sentinel Prime had gone missing. But in the game, Zeta had not gone missing and was in command up until the Omega Supreme incident.

If thats trully the case then we do have a SOLID contradiction.

Yep. Just go back and look through my analysis from a while back and compare all the red text to the blue text.

Lots of contradictions in the two just like how the G1 cartoon and the G1 Marvel Comics contradicted each other, yet were both acknowledged by the Beast Wars cartoon and supplementary convention comics.

[Shadowman]

When he was named "Optimus" before the war, everyone knew him as "Optimus Prime", and I do mean everyone. However, when Bumblebee is first introduced to him in the game, the word "Prime" is never mentioned.

Still, if thats all, then events still could have happened the same way.

Useing ones full name or not isint a big deal

Compare it to being like an officer in the military, people aren't going to call you by your real name, they're going to call you by your proper rank. If everyone knew him as Optimus Prime, then Bumblebee should have known he's a pretty big deal.

Plus, Optimus had been named Prime before the war in the book partly because Sentinel Prime had gone missing. But in the game, Zeta had not gone missing and was in command up until the Omega Supreme incident.

If thats trully the case then we do have a SOLID contradiction.

We have a ton of solid contradictions. This whole continuity is made out of contradictions. Alpha Trion must have a constant headache.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Just watched the season finale

Soundwave confirmed for badass tier. It's no wonder when Starscream wasn't nearly as aggressive as Airachnid was about being leader.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It's morethan just a name. It's treated as a sacred title.

and even so, we have seen plenty of times where the full name/title wasnt used.

Yep. Just go back and look through my analysis from a while back and compare all the red text to the blue text.

Lots of contradictions in the two just like how the G1 cartoon and the G1 Marvel Comics contradicted each other, yet were both acknowledged by the Beast Wars cartoon and supplementary convention comics.

I was looking for that thread but couldnt fine it.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Compare it to being like an officer in the military, people aren't going to call you by your real name, they're going to call you by your proper rank. If everyone knew him as Optimus Prime, then Bumblebee should have known he's a pretty big deal.

the problem here is that comparison fails [no disrespect to you or how you view it]

But even looking at it as a military title, we have seen many examples of the characters calling him "just" Optimus.

We have a ton of solid contradictions. This whole continuity is made out of contradictions. Alpha Trion must have a constant headache.

I wouldnt say that.Many claim big contradictions where there were only "implied" contradictions like with Starscreams comments about DE in Prime.

[Sabrblade]

I was looking for that thread but couldnt fine it.

Here. I'll get for ya. - http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75090

It's morethan just a name. It's treated as a sacred title.

and even so, we have seen plenty of times where the full name/title wasnt used.

But in all those cases, the name "Prime" was used at least once. Here, however, it was NEVER even applied to Optimus until after they brought back Zeta's corpse. In fact, if one had only played the game and never read the book (or read anything about it), one would not even think that Optimus in the game was a Prime prior to the Council names him such, as the title was never applied to him, and Zeta was still present as the active Prime during that time.

[DJ1107]

So I watch the final episode. So I was kinda right Optimus died in some kind of metaphsyical way just saying... Now we just need to wait for the two parter of season 2 where are mcguffen key plays into effect. Megatron had a stupid name pre-war. Speaking of Megatron anyone else think he's abit overpowered (no of course not thats just me). So Soundwave has proven to be a credible fighter by now. We finally see some hints that it's in continuity with WfC yet I could care less because thats where my stem of hatred spawned from. Anyone else care to explain what was with Bulkhead being so lightheaded during traveling through Unicron head? And if you guys want me to be fair I liked Crisscross to a certain extent.

[Sabrblade]

Anyone else care to explain what was with Bulkhead being so lightheaded during traveling through Unicron head?

The Dark Energon radiation was getting to him. Recall how Arcee nearly passed out from it back in episode 2. Bulkhead hadn't built up as much an immunity to it since he hadn't been as exposed to out as some of the others had.

[WiEGoP]

While the first part of the three parter was kinda a downer for me parts two and three are rightfully huge! And I chalk that all up to the amazing on-screen chemistry between Megs and Oppy. (And not THAT kind of chemistry) From the moment Megs offers Optimus a hand, and Optimus reminds Megs that he is still considering killing him....oh Primus it was sweet! This Prime can be a snore when he's talking to humans, but have him talk to Megs and feel the steely tension.

We've seen Megs and Ops work together against a greater evil in almost every incarnation of Transformers under the sun. But this plays the dynamic like a virtuoso playing Mozart on a Stradivarius, we've heard the song before but this show makes that song sing! Them fighting the Unicron's antibodies on the bridge in occasional bullet-time, poetry in motion.

And it just keeps rolling on through both episodes. Bulkhead and Bumblebee on the bridge was also awesome. And Arcee has her signature 'have I mentioned that I am awesome today?'' moment of epic. In retrospect, the characterization of Prime as a hundred times more stoic and furmanspeak than any other incarnation before him makes sense if THIS is where they are going with the character.

And THIS is somewhere they haven't really gone before with Optimus. And I can't WAIT.

Right. Fully. HUGE!!!

[Sabrblade]

In retrospect, the characterization of Prime as a hundred times more stoic and furmanspeak than any other incarnation before him makes sense if THIS is where they are going with the character.

And THIS is somewhere they haven't really gone before with Optimus. And I can't WAIT.

To me, his stoicism was too much to handle, making him to be the single DULLEST character of the whole show. So, it pleases me to see the youthful, aspiring dreamer Orion Pax brought back from the ancient past.

[DJ1107]

And boy I thought Prime sucked at fighting til now. Now he's with the con's he's screwed.

[Sabrblade]

And boy I thought Prime sucked at fighting til now. Now he's with the con's he's screwed.

Where were you during his big fight trying to kill Megatron back in episode 22?

[Shadowman]

So I watch the final episode. So I was kinda right Optimus died in some kind of metaphsyical way just saying... Now we just need to wait for the two parter of season 2 where are mcguffen key plays into effect.

Nope, you lost the bet.

Megatron had a stupid name pre-war.

It was the Fallen's real name.

Speaking of Megatron anyone else think he's abit overpowered (no of course not thats just me).

Of course that's just you. Who wants a Megatron that isn't incredibly powerful in battle? He's the villain, he's supposed to kick ass and take names.

Anyone else care to explain what was with Bulkhead being so lightheaded during traveling through Unicron head?

He was the only one who hadn't been exposed to Dark Energon at that point. Optimus and Ratchet were exposed to it when fighting the zombie army, Arcee was exposed by Cliffjumper, and Bumblebee was hit with a Dark Energon-infused round from Megatron's cannon.

And boy I thought Prime sucked at fighting til now. Now he's with the con's he's screwed.

Where were you during his big fight trying to kill Megatron back in episode 22?

Or when he was fighting the Zombie Army. Or when he waltzed onto the Nemesis looking for Megatron.

[DJ1107]

Well thats Megatron of course he bring his A game to that even then he didn't win the fight. Lets see his track record. Convoy: Knocked out after falling off a mountain side which with his size is the equvialent of falling off the roof of a house. Deus ex: Ass stomped by both Knockout and Breakdown. Bumbleception (can't remember the episode name but admit it it's a cooler name): Poisoned. Partners: Immobilized. Now he's has no memory of his fighting skills and he's with the con's whos track record may/may not suck more then the Stormtroopers. Also does that even count when Bumblebee was shot? And I'm not saying not have Megatron NOT be all powerful but when he shrugs off Unicron attempt to control his mind like it was nothing that feels to overpowered.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Well thats Megatron of course he bring his A game to that even then he didn't win the fight. Lets see his track record. Convoy: Knocked out after falling off a mountain side which with his size is the equvialent of falling off the roof of a house. Deus ex: Ass stomped by both Knockout and Breakdown. Bumbleception (can't remember the episode name but admit it it's a cooler name): Poisoned. Partners: Immobilized. Now he's has no memory of his fighting skills and he's with the con's whos track record may/may not suck more then the Stormtroopers. Also does that even count when Bumblebee was shot? And I'm not saying not have Megatron NOT be all powerful but when he shrugs off Unicron attempt to control his mind like it was nothing that feels to overpowered.

You misunderstand something about Optimus, at heart he's a pacifist, Ratchet even points out in episode 26 that before he became prime, when he was just Orion Pax in the prime universe, he was a guy who supported equality for all, an end to corruption and was opposed to violence, heck if he was human we'd probably lump him in with the Occupy wall street protesters and other peaceniks.

Its not that he sucks at fighting, its that he doesn't enjoy fighting. Megatron on the other hand was not only a gladiator, he's a megalomaniac and extremely violent, he revels in war and destruction.

That being said in a fair fight, Optimus beat him, it was only the arrival of dark energon that turned the tide in favor of Megatron.

As for Megatron being able to shrug off Unicron's control, he actually didn't Unicron got control of him in the end, however it was right before Optimus used the Matrix.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I was looking for that thread but couldnt fine it.

Here. I'll get for ya. - http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75090

thanks

It's morethan just a name. It's treated as a sacred title.

and even so, we have seen plenty of times where the full name/title wasnt used.

But in all those cases, the name "Prime" was used at least once.

Not in every conversation, and even if the poiint I'm trying to make stsnds. Here, however, it was NEVER even applied to Optimus until after they brought back Zeta's corpse.

they most likely did that for the gamers that arent TF nuts.

far eazier to not use the "sur-name" then to explain he held the job with out the title but was still called by the title at times.

[Sabrblade]

they most likely did that for the gamers that arent TF nuts.

far eazier to not use the "sur-name" then to explain he held the job with out the title but was still called by the title at times.

Zeta was still the active Prime at the time, and there was only one Prime at a time.

[Avensis-Mahiya]

All these inconsistencies/contradictions within the Aligned continuity are driving me insane. I'm actually surprised and appalled that Hasbro (or whoever) let these slip past them.

[Sabrblade]

All these inconsistencies/contradictions ith in the Aligned continuity are driving me insane. I'm actually surprised and apalled that Hasbro (or whoever) let these slip past them.

Just look at them as two timelines with the same future, like how Beast Wars can be a follow up to the G1 cartoon or the G1 Marvel Comics.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

they most likely did that for the gamers that arent TF nuts.

far eazier to not use the "sur-name" then to explain he held the job with out the title but was still called by the title at times.

Zeta was still the active Prime at the time, and there was only one Prime at a time.

technically it was the same in the book...except for SZP being captured.

[Sabrblade]

they most likely did that for the gamers that arent TF nuts.

far eazier to not use the "sur-name" then to explain he held the job with out the title but was still called by the title at times.

Zeta was still the active Prime at the time, and there was only one Prime at a time.

technically it was the same in the book...except for SZP being captured.

Except that, in the book, Optimus was able to be named Prime since the Council had ruled SZP unfit to carry the title any further. And by the time Optimus recovers SZP in the Kaon Prison, SZP instantly declares that he held the title of Prime for far longer than he should have, saying this to Optimus even before Optimus could tell SZP that he was the new Prime.

In the game, Zeta wasn't/didn't let go of his rank until after he had died.